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[YR] Conquest of Paradise (2-6)
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OmegaBolt
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 11:23 am    Post subject:  [YR] Conquest of Paradise (2-6) Reply with quote

Another new map. An asymmetrical island map that expands to include the left and right sections after 15 minutes.

In the beginning players start on their small islands with limited finite resources and must expand to the central island. After a while the map opens up to reveal these two new areas to fight over, for additional resources and tech structures.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice! Very Happy
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Graion Dilach
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks nice, even tho I'm not a fan of changing mapsize during gameplay.
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really nice.Thanks sir.
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Lin Kuei Ominae
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that expanding map concept seems familiar Smile

Map layout looks ok though i don't like the unnatural straight shores and 90° shore corners which give them a jagged look.
The islands following rigid the planned map layout is also not my taste. A lot more randomness in the shore line could really improve this imo. Like adding a half island on one place and adding a small bay at another. So land mass stays the same but island shape isn't like a ruler painted fixed border.

Some slopes and not only flat terrain would surely help too. Of course on places where it doesn't hurts base building.

OmegaBolt wrote:
An asymmetrical island map

I wouldn't call this an asymmetric map when it can be north/south mirrored. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:
that expanding map concept seems familiar Smile
I know you did one but there is also a vanilla YR map that does it. #Tongue  MadHQ made one or two as well.

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:
Map layout looks ok though i don't like the unnatural straight shores and 90° shore corners which give them a jagged look.
The islands following rigid the planned map layout is also not my taste. A lot more randomness in the shore line could really improve this imo. Like adding a half island on one place and adding a small bay at another. So land mass stays the same but island shape isn't like a ruler painted fixed border.
TBH a big part of me is totally bored of trying to make naturalistic maps. I much more enjoy just painting areas for gameplay and then adding the detail that hopefully makes it look interesting and less repetitive ingame, while still being kind of repetitive in a gameplay sense (which I think is a good thing). Fair maps with fun ideas I think are ultimately far more enjoyable than great looking maps that lack gameplay coherence, which a lot of maps do IMO.

So yeah, of course it looks very unrealistic but at this point in time I'd rather just make maps for gameplay and TBH I also think the maps I'm making now are far more fun than anything I made when I was thinking first about organic looking terrain. I used to be terrified of repetitive cliffs for instance, now I just repeat 5 & 6 cliff corners all day erry day. It's also more productive, I did this map in a day.

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:
I wouldn't call this an asymmetric map when it can be north/south mirrored. Wink
True. Call it insurance against claims of imbalance. #Tongue
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I now really want to make a new map!
Good job Omega.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OmegaBolt wrote:
there is also a vanilla YR map that does it.

A multiplayer map? Singleplayer are pretty common, though i didn't know MP maps used this logic too.
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:
A multiplayer map? Singleplayer are pretty common, though i didn't know MP maps used this logic too.


Sink or Swim (2-4) has this logic for example.
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OTOH Sink or Swim was only released after the game. It's quite easy for LKO not even knowing the map (it's also among the lamest maps of YR if you ask me).

OTOH MadHQ's Harvesting Problems certainly predate LKO's DTA maps tho and it was even featured in a PPM map competition. #Tongue
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "unrealisticness" is not that bad, really. The shore tiles have a very square look anyway.

In my opinion it looks like a very fun map, good job.
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice, I haven't seen these kinds of maps since the time of the old Age of Empires, which had a few assymetrical maps like yours, like one where every player starts in a remote island and must sail away into a continent. Or other where one player had a well fortified but Isolated base, and the other player had many resources to exploit, but no installations to start.

Would be fun to see more maps like this, I'm going to test this one my free time, good job.
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a shame AI handles naval combat in YR so badly but otherwise this is a great little map from a human vs human perspective.

I see a lot of interesting strategies in this map and it's got a balance between being fun to play online and not just a line of rocks.
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