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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:52 am    Post subject:   The ruination of video games is well under way Reply with quote




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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is everything a conspiracy to you?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

as someone who has played World of- series games and War Thunder, both from Russian devs, I can confirm the presence of communistic indoctrination in today's video games.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if there is such thing, honestly, people need to know how to differentiate fiction from reality. All these games are fiction, even if they claim to simulate reality.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banshee wrote:
Even if there is such thing, honestly, people need to know how to differentiate fiction from reality. All these games are fiction, even if they claim to simulate reality.

If that was literally the issue, you wouldn't have such pressure to add egalitarian/communist tropes or themes to video games. Just look at the whole Anita Sarkeesian thing where she effectively spent 3 years accusing every game of being sexist, either because they didn't have women, didn't have strong women, had too realistic women (weaker/needy), or the heroine who is too sexualized...

This is cultural subversion, part of the goal is to destroy the distinction/specialty of the sexes, make women more manly, make men more feminine etc. Is it a conspiracy? Sure, some powerful interests have shaped the discourse and media landscape that makes this both seem necessary and wanted, which in reality it isn't. Some game authors have told them to buzz off, others have embraced this cultural-marxism fully.

Marvel comics has released several sjw themed series that are financial failures, which under any normal circumstance would have them canned/ended immediately, but instead they continue to fund the projects no one reads. This is both to appear socially conscious, as well as showing their thorough misunderstanding of the goal of the people pushing for it.

People heavily into identity politics, and trying to overthrow established power structures are not the people playing cutting edged video games or reading the latest comics.... the companies pandering to them hear the constant cries and demands (more women, more minorities, more sexual diversity etc) without connecting the dots: they aren't customers.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



The RTS genre is pretty much dead, but otherwise as a whole, video games are at a great point right now. It's at a point where even a little team of indie devs can get huge payback for their $20 game, esports are growing ever faster, and games are teaching things like surgery, rehab, calculus, and so much more. You can take the communist or sexist or whatever else view with a grain of salt, because it's really not what it's about.

This whole conspiracy is as smart as this generic, tunnel-view youtuber.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4StarGeneral wrote:


...

This whole conspiracy is as smart as this generic, tunnel-view youtuber.


I fully agree only with the text (and image) that I am quoting.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4StarGeneral wrote:
The RTS genre is pretty much dead, but otherwise as a whole, video games are at a great point right now. It's at a point where even a little team of indie devs can get huge payback for their $20 game...

I agree with this, but you'll also notice those indie games are almost entirely anti-sjw too... AND there seems to be a growing trend to go back to layered-2D or hybrid-3D graphics and even pixel art. Halcyon 6, Hotline Miami etc.

Obviously part of it is making games that mimic the Gameboy experience on smartphones, and the lower rendering requirements help, but it is primarily a backlash against the mega-dollar projects like MW, CoD etc that no indie could compete with if they tried. It makes sense to carve out a new niche.

http://www.reaxxion.com/3285/bioshock-infinite-is-one-of-the-worst-games-in-recent-memory

http://www.thejimquisition.com/metabombed-mass-effect-andromeda-is-pure-sjw-propaganda/

http://theralphretort.com/icymi-sjw-theorizes-that-medieval-games-legitimize-white-supremacy-7027015/

https://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2016/04/baldurs-gate-siege-of-dragonspear-sjw-themes-sees-gamers-asking-for-refunds/

http://www.reaxxion.com/7559/how-to-recognize-a-sjw-video-game
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you really think that because a few games are being retarded that all games are bad? That all video games are going the same route? Please. Put down the kool-aid and live in the real world for a while. There will be some people inevitably going down the 'SJW' road but that's any industry, not just gaming. Video games as you know them are not going anywhere and they're not going to change drastically enough for anyone to give a shit any time soon. There will still be high dollar AAA titles, mid-tier AA games and the indie crowd making all kinds of games. It's not even a sin against gaming for games to tackle different subject matter. It's a sign of maturity to start thinking about perspectives other than generic male power fantasy.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FurryQueen wrote:
Do you really think that because a few games are being retarded that all games are bad?

Where did I say that? Oh wait, I didn't.

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That all video games are going the same route?

At the time you notice a problem, like a rash or a tumour, it's already "serious" enough to attend to isn't it? If collectively thousands of gamers suddenly feel games are being infested with sjw themes, it's already past the comical or dismissive stage, it is more advanced than you realize. More to the point, that advance isn't stopping without some form of counter pressure, and that's the rub.

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Please. Put down the kool-aid and live in the real world for a while.

You obviously support identitarian idiocy and I wouldn't expect you to balk at anything supporting gender/sexual themes, which should never even come up in an adventure game unless your goal is to mate or marry (and who would make such a video game?) or outright degeneracy.

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There will be some people inevitably going down the 'SJW' road but that's any industry, not just gaming. Video games as you know them are not going anywhere and they're not going to change drastically enough for anyone to give a shit any time soon.

There was an article that sought to re-define what gaming/gamers are, it suggested most gamers are middle-aged women, but whatever research they used, those women are playing Puzzle Bobble, Candy Crush, Tetris and other puzzle games. This too is part of the assault on the themes of games, because if the sjw's manage to convince gaming execs that their core audience isn't pubescent males who love violence, the games now have a legitimate excuse not to cater to them, OR they will just ruin classic genres by adapting them to a female audience. You're looking for the killer waves, I'm saying there's a slow tidal surge that's more deadly.

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There will still be high dollar AAA titles, mid-tier AA games and the indie crowd making all kinds of games.

Yes even massive failures should teach the corporate types not to follow in the lunacy, but with the constant public pressure, being called racist, nazis, misogynists etc, it's hard to make a stand against it. Corporations are not stacked with large testicled men, they are by and large nerds and beta males that are easily manipulated.

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It's not even a sin against gaming for games to tackle different subject matter. It's a sign of maturity to start thinking about perspectives other than generic male power fantasy.

Who said anything about sin? This is about an entire generation of otherwise good games, or potentially awesome games, being hobbled or made uninteresting by the addition of directors who feel sjw themes, cultural sensitivity, radical sexual inclusivity etc are somehow valid to be discussed when you have a more pressing issue like staying alive or saving the world.

A good example of a subtle sjw twist is a white protagonist with a black love interest, nevermind that only 5% of couples are bi-racial and this should be a _rarity_ statistically speaking,. Making it a prominent part of the story is a deliberate distortion of reality.

Most people can't see the line that professors, journalists, researchers, employers, developers etc cross that makes them into activists, but that's what these people are who push this stuff. They are activists, and you have to correctly point them out, like tumours.... if you let them get away with mundane inclusions like a gay/lesbian sidekick, they will be encouraged to add more ridiculous intersectional themes, like lectures about rape from that sidekick, or trying to tackle "toxic masculinity" by forcing the player to choose the non-violent solution.

In short, it is programming.... they are treating gamers like Pavlov's dogs.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont even needed to watch the video, this is just an other example of an retard topic.

Let people put in video games whatever they want, otherwise youre not better than a communist.

Ps: I wont answer to any answers because they will be written by angry kids that want somthing like revenge, I wont loose more of my time here. You can go ahead and loose some for me.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G-E wrote:
At the time you notice a problem, like a rash or a tumour, it's already "serious" enough to attend to isn't it? If collectively thousands of gamers suddenly feel games are being infested with sjw themes...
You're talking thousands when the population in discussion numbers in the millions, though.

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which should never even come up in an adventure game unless your goal is to mate or marry (and who would make such a video game?) or outright degeneracy.
Japan says hi (or konnichiwa, rather)

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There was an article that sought to re-define what gaming/gamers are, it suggested most gamers are middle-aged women...  because if the sjw's manage to convince gaming execs that their core audience isn't pubescent males who love violence, the games now have a legitimate excuse not to cater to them, OR they will just ruin classic genres by adapting them to a female audience...

I'd have to see the article, but if you redefine gamer to include those who play social media and cellphone games on a semi-regular basis, you would indeed dramatically shift the core demographic that composes gamers.

One COULD even say it makes business sense. Games like Candy Crush are micro-transaction based and obviously have low development costs compared to the Battlefields and Maddens of the world. They play the game, spend a dollar here, a dollar there: it adds up. Traditional games are a $60 up front payment with a few possibilities for extra $ down the line in the form of DLC.

If your scenario pans out, it's not because of SJWs and the redefinition of what a gamer is. The "new gamer" as I see it  has no presence at all on traditional gaming platforms (PC/console). Corrupting genres to appeal to them won't work, because those genres don't exist on their gaming platforms (mobile, social media).

I would attribute it more to economics. Game costs continue to rise, but there is a ceiling to how much they can charge for a game before traditional gamers start to balk. That'll be the tipping point, not SJWs.

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A good example of a subtle sjw twist is a white protagonist with a black love interest, nevermind that only 5% of couples are bi-racial and this should be a _rarity_ statistically speaking,. Making it a prominent part of the story is a deliberate distortion of reality.
How many videogames deal with the mundane? Most games are littered with such unlikelihoods and reality distortions. The protag is always immune in zombie apocalypse games. Always in the right spot during the most crucial battle to turn the tide in FPSs. In RTSs, he is somehow present and in command at every important battle of a war, without respect to service branch, or theater of combat.

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if you let them get away with mundane inclusions like a gay/lesbian sidekick, they will be encouraged to add more ridiculous intersectional themes, like lectures about rape from that sidekick, or trying to tackle "toxic masculinity" by forcing the player to choose the non-violent solution.
Slippery slope.

Something like orientation acts primarily as a cosmetic/narrative device, with no impact on gameplay. Tangential lectures and forced decisions in scenarios where other options are possible are simply bad game design. Not unless the game at its core is about such themes.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G-E wrote:
Where did I say that? Oh wait, I didn't.

It's your implication. Trying to deny that is just blatant lying.

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At the time you notice a problem, like a rash or a tumour, it's already "serious" enough to attend to isn't it? If collectively thousands of gamers suddenly feel games are being infested with sjw themes, it's already past the comical or dismissive stage, it is more advanced than you realize. More to the point, that advance isn't stopping without some form of counter pressure, and that's the rub.

I didn't say it was a problem, just acknowledged that some companies are being retarded and trying to corner a market that still won't buy the game. Diversity is all the rage and gaming, like every other industry, will try to capitalize on it. Every major media does this - movies, TV, books. They all do it.

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You obviously support identitarian idiocy and I wouldn't expect you to balk at anything supporting gender/sexual themes, which should never even come up in an adventure game unless your goal is to mate or marry (and who would make such a video game?) or outright degeneracy.

I am actually staunchly against identity politics, but I am not against including different types of characters if it suits the story or the atmosphere. Not to mention, there are plenty of games that feature romantic storylines between characters, which can add to a story. Even major US titles are doing this so it's not just VNs from Japan with the dating thing going on. You do know that Japan and Korea make games, right?

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There was an article that sought to re-define what gaming/gamers are, it suggested most gamers are middle-aged women, but whatever research they used, those women are playing Puzzle Bobble, Candy Crush, Tetris and other puzzle games. This too is part of the assault on the themes of games, because if the sjw's manage to convince gaming execs that their core audience isn't pubescent males who love violence, the games now have a legitimate excuse not to cater to them, OR they will just ruin classic genres by adapting them to a female audience. You're looking for the killer waves, I'm saying there's a slow tidal surge that's more deadly.

Yes, one article proves your assertion. Get a grip, would you? I love you how you claim an article is trying to make this claim yet don't post it. I have to assume that it won't support your position or you're just making shit up again. Yes, there is a growing population of middle aged women playing mobile and social media games, but they are in no way the target market for companies like Activision, EA, Ubisoft or even Blizzard.

Let's say these companies do try to start making games that appeal to women. What actual harm will that bring? What's that? None?! Gotta be kiddin' me. No, this will not ruin gaming as you know it and could actually bring some interesting games to the table. Not every game needs to be male power fantasy based, nor based solely around violent conflict.

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Yes even massive failures should teach the corporate types not to follow in the lunacy, but with the constant public pressure, being called racist, nazis, misogynists etc, it's hard to make a stand against it. Corporations are not stacked with large testicled men, they are by and large nerds and beta males that are easily manipulated.

You've never worked for a corporation, have you? Hell, you've probably never even worked anywhere. That aside, the people making decisions are not timid nerds by any means. You don't become a massive corporation by being weak and timid. The guys and girls running these companies have more balls than you do.

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Who said anything about sin? This is about an entire generation of otherwise good games, or potentially awesome games, being hobbled or made uninteresting by the addition of directors who feel sjw themes, cultural sensitivity, radical sexual inclusivity etc are somehow valid to be discussed when you have a more pressing issue like staying alive or saving the world.

Is it that characters that did it or were the games just bad? I highly doubt being inclusive by itself is the reason. Multiple types of characters do not drag a game down. Go play Persona 4 for a great example of inclusivity while simultaneously being a great goddamn game. It's possible to make a game with a diverse cast without being terrible. A terrible game is a terrible game, with or without a gay dude in the mix.

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A good example of a subtle sjw twist is a white protagonist with a black love interest, nevermind that only 5% of couples are bi-racial and this should be a _rarity_ statistically speaking,. Making it a prominent part of the story is a deliberate distortion of reality.

The whole point of video games in general is to be something you're not or to vicariously live an experience. It doesn't need to reflect reality unless it's a historical game. If I want reality, I step the fuck outside.

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Most people can't see the line that professors, journalists, researchers, employers, developers etc cross that makes them into activists, but that's what these people are who push this stuff. They are activists, and you have to correctly point them out, like tumours.... if you let them get away with mundane inclusions like a gay/lesbian sidekick, they will be encouraged to add more ridiculous intersectional themes, like lectures about rape from that sidekick, or trying to tackle "toxic masculinity" by forcing the player to choose the non-violent solution.

Are you so short sighted that everything has to be about straight white male who solves everything with violence? I mean, seriously. It just sounds like you hate gay people. Why else would you be so upset over their inclusion in gaming? You do realize that gay people play games too, right?

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In short, it is programming.... they are treating gamers like Pavlov's dogs.

You're a moron. Just stop talking. Every time you make a thread, you prove how stupid you are.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G-E wrote:
... This is about an entire generation of otherwise good games, or potentially awesome games, being hobbled or made uninteresting by the addition of directors who feel sjw themes, cultural sensitivity, radical sexual inclusivity etc are somehow valid to be discussed...


And then this hilarious counterargument happened.



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about Hatoful Boyfriend? That's a good one.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And then this hilarious counterargument happened.

That's not really an argument, there's always going to be fringe garbage, and that's where it should stay.

Imagine all the banana flavoured icecream in the world is suddenly ruined because all the suppliers of banana icecream went up in flames, except one company producing the flavour really badly, would anyone really care? Sure, a handful of people. Now imagine this was true for chocolate icecream, there would be a huge uproar don't you think?

Subversive content can't be judged for merely existing, it has to be judged for where it is found, where it is promoted, and the reach it gets.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........................

What a waste of time guys. I'll simply stick to my words above.

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People need to know how to differentiate fiction from reality. All these games are fiction, even if they claim to simulate reality.


If someone can't understand that, I'm pretty sure this person needs some serious treatment or somebody needs to put some sense into his/her brain.



For those who think I'm just stuck with words, here's a video from the Games Developer Conference of this year.





And this is not just Zelda... even for games based on "real" settings, (not a fantasy like Zelda), the same things apply. They have to reinvent everything... the story, the physics, the world, the whole stuff...

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This entire thread is an unfunny joke made by a stupid troll. Maybe just lock this bullshit since it's going nowhere. g-e is just throwing out hate instead of forming a coherent argument. Am I the only one reading between the lines here? Does anyone else see the blatant hysterical hate coming from this creature? I can't be the only one who sees it.

g-e, for the record, I'd play a game where the hero is a transgender woman who kicks ass and takes names. I don't care much about who the characters are so long as they're well written and easy to empathize with. Seems to me like you can't stand anything that's different from you, and that's a really sad way to live.
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No, you are not the only one who saw hate from him.

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