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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:25 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Hah get ready for more insanity!




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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note for those who may not know G-E: he loves conspiracy thrillers, specially spreading these conspiracy theories, being an easy source of very potential fake news.

G-E wrote:
Hah get ready for more insanity!


Cool down, sir. The current reality of copyright laws in Europe is currently explained HERE (check the external links there specifically for a more reliable source).

Anyway, even if whatever is said in that video gets "enforced", believe me... it won't be properly followed, exactly like what is happening nowadays with GDPR. I don't expect sites to encrypt everything EU legislators consider to be personal data (mostly because it is actually a very stupid thing to do that may compromise security and performance of the site), I don't expect bloggers and sites from natural persons to have lawyer representatives in the European Union nor following nearly close of the half of the articles of this regulation. And the vast majority (+99% of them) won't be sued because of that. However, this kind of regulation can be used by governs and big companies to put their competition off the record.

In short, if legislators create non-viable laws, they won't be followed nor respected properly.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha why is your natural tendency to accuse me of something? The EU is passing laws I have no say in, and considering how much the GPDR is stressing you out, what makes you think their next wave is going to be any less sweeping or complicated?

My webstore sells to the EU, and you know what I've done for compliance with GDPR? Precisely nothing.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another commentary on this topic, I suggest you watch...



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G-E wrote:
Another commentary on this topic, I suggest you watch...




news and youtube videos thrive on being clickbait.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, but if you remove the exemption for fair use with the goal of monetizing every bit of copyrighted content under the guise of "protection" you literally can't come up with anything less hyperbolic that destroying the internet.

I was briefly involved in local politics, at least the invisible side of it, and I can tell you every fear listed about vague and sweeping terms that are largely undefined is very very common in legislation. It allows a politician to enact a law that sounds good in practice, without having to fully understand the ramifications or legal extent, and offloading that responsibility to the courts. The courts then have to spend decades reigning in the law or occasionally setting a really terribly broad precedent that everyone disagrees with -- see: Citizens United.

In my area, there's a low speed highway that arcs over the city, it's not meant to be a main artery, but is mostly industrial and fills up during rush hours nonetheless. This street however clears up afterhours for the most part, especially as it goes west towards a more sparsely populated residential section, along with a fair few gas stations, and this means a lot of kids street race.

My province passed a law similar to California where they will fine you $10000 and potentially seize/crush your car if you are caught doing 50 over the speed limit, as well as summary license suspension. They all claimed this was to stop the street racing, but on 1 street in 1 city? Nonsense. Speeding is already illegal with graduated fines, improper lane changes, failure to signal, reckless/negligent driving etc are all punishable already, why do we need a new law just for racing? We don't, no one does, and you still have the exact same problem with a lack of enforcement. The simplest way to get pepole to slow down is have a cop drive in traffic with them.

The "stunting" law was written in such a way as to also capture things like losing grip or shrieking tires, these too will now incur the same penalty as putting lives at risk by racing. You know, because drifting. However, you might rightly ask yourself, how the cops can first of all determine you intended to squeal your tires, or whether you even had a choice as you tried to correct for low tire pressures or bad road conditions? Yes, because of the way the law is worded, someone preventing a spinout can have their car crushed.

Naturally with all such bullshit laws, they are catching all the wrong people. The overwhleming majority of people caught are middle aged men driving really expensive cars; the majority of $10k fines are knocked down to 2k because they have lawyers naturally, and as far as I've seen, street racing hasn't slowed one bit, they just move to a different highway more often.

So far, it has been what nearly 10yrs and no one has yet made a constitutional challenge, probably because of cost, but they would have every legal right to do so. The law presumes you are guilty regardless of circumstance, and the punishments of summary suspension and crushing your car happen before a court determines your guilt. No western legal system would abide that --- if challenged.

The law will continue to catch women doing 90+ as they pass by a short school section limited to 35, and will continue to catch lawyers doing 150 on the highway in their SLS. Until the wrong guy with money gets their lambo confiscated, they will continue to harass and extort the plebs.

When I confronted one of the authors of the bill. he said "that's not the intention" as if the original intentions weigh more than actual words....
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copyright is stupid.

I remember when a lot of time ago copyright was only valid for a few years, then they kept extending it, and extending it, and extending it...

Under the original copyright laws even CNC woudn't be copyuright, it has like 30 years and originally it worked for less than 25.

Authors don't benefit from this, mostly corporations which are copyright holders and lobby for these laws.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The new laws they're trying to push are completely insane, though... they're holding "providers of online content" responsible for what is put online through their services.

That means they are holding ISPs and content upload systems like youtube and blog sites directly responsible for the things their users put online. There's not even a distinction between ISPs and websites; the wording of the law is ridiculously vague.

The problem here is not the laws being followed or not followed, the problem is that this law makes them liable to be sued by big copyright holders, and the only real defence they have that doesn't break the EU's privacy laws would be to implement automatic content filters that basically mean ridiculous unwarranted censorship.

This new law stuff definitely is a real problem.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NimoStar wrote:
Copyright is stupid.

I remember when a lot of time ago copyright was only valid for a few years, then they kept extending it, and extending it, and extending it...

Under the original copyright laws even CNC woudn't be copyuright, it has like 30 years and originally it worked for less than 25.

Authors don't benefit from this, mostly corporations which are copyright holders and lobby for these laws.

Yea the save-mickey-mouse act that put the copyright to death+70yrs or something crazy. Because people couldn't fathom cartoon mouse hentai and themeparks that aren't licensed by Disney.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nyerguds wrote:
The new laws they're trying to push are completely insane, though... they're holding "providers of online content" responsible for what is put online through their services.

That means they are holding ISPs and content upload systems like youtube and blog sites directly responsible for the things their users put online. There's not even a distinction between ISPs and websites; the wording of the law is ridiculously vague.

The problem here is not the laws being followed or not followed, the problem is that this law makes them liable to be sued by big copyright holders, and the only real defence they have that doesn't break the EU's privacy laws would be to implement automatic content filters that basically mean ridiculous unwarranted censorship.

This new law stuff definitely is a real problem.


I'd love for the day when the internet as we know it dies. Nothing but spam and attention whoring.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mechacaseal wrote:
Nothing but spam and attention whoring.
Isn't this already happening though? I mean, just look at whatever $*** you'll find on YouTube. Particularily the trending tab and the 'gaming' channels.
You'll see Family Guy (absolutely detestable "humor") too.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Article 13, the link tax bomb...

https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3034494/eu-votes-to-effectively-ban-memes-electronically-as-article-13-passes
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G-E wrote:
https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3034494/eu-votes-to-effectively-ban-memes-electronically-as-article-13-passes
Best news I've heard in years.

EDIT: But now that I read it... We're dead.
I just meant those blasted memes...

The internet as we know is dead. Soon, fanfiction (which mods can be considered as at times, especially MO and TI) shall disappear too. I think.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yea the save-mickey-mouse act that put the copyright to death+70yrs or something crazy. Because people couldn't fathom cartoon mouse hentai and themeparks that aren't licensed by Disney.


I wish copyright worked the way it does for code, as such you could make an open source copyleft mickey mouse with the same functionality just by drawing it from scratch :V
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