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IVI · Commander **Joined**: 25 Jun 2006 **Location**: Feilubin

blubb · General **Joined**: 31 Jul 2005

i really wonder what is up with this now and if cncvk let this down for the overmodified rockpatch that is dropped from PaD...its a bit unfair....
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m666 · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:05 am Post subject:

Yeah, I haven't heard much on this yesterday. But, YR is getting more attention for the more influential community for RP.
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Muldrake · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:44 am Post subject:

The rock patch has enough for now, the RA2 modders should just be content for 5 mins of their life and TS get some of the attention it deserves with ETS!
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John Galt · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:53 am Post subject:

Renegade · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:02 pm Post subject:

We might just get more attention because we know how dependent we are on him, praise him for his work, and are capable of managing such simple organizational tools like bugtrackers and wishlists...

...instead of just sitting here and bitching about the coder's time management.

(iow: What do you think makes VK more likely to code: "Thank you, oh holy VK, for coding this godly feature!" or "Hey, bitch! Quit looking at RockPatch and do ETS already!!!"?)
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Muldrake · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject:

I have, as well as many others praised VK for his work, as well as offered any assistance he would require, or anything more he may like for working on ETS.

It would just appear that modding RA2 is more flashy, as more people play it, and as the RP was already established before he worked on it, it would be easier for him to continue.
I have no problem with that, and I understand it.
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blubb · General **Joined**: 31 Jul 2005

i didn't started the question for a flamewar.....
i just wanted to clear this for the people here if ETS is any important to him or not, many users what can't do those coding things like him count on hi, and seriously.....rock patch offers now a big deal of options for RA 2 modders, i just wanted to clear the fairness between this.
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VK · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject:

Now Rock Patch have some problems Sad

When I will release the next RP I will finish final 3.2 ETS version and release it Smile

it's 100% right Smile

however now ETS have a feature which I afraid to do in RP Smile

4th weapons system

I need a basic code which allow simple add new stuffs.

And EFS more correct name Very Happy

And RA2 moders can simple migrating to YR.

m666 · Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:17 am Post subject:

God...what have I done??? I gotta apologize for starting all of that. Sorry guys.
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Raptor8 · Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject:

Great idea, 'bout time
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OmegaBolt · Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject:

Tony · Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:30 am Post subject:

I sure hope FS is in the mix Smile

-tr8er8- · Rocket Cyborg **Joined**: 16 Sep 2006 **Location**: USA

It will

.... I think. If it's not, I won't bother getting it because I am in love with FS, or... if there is something really good in it like last release :AA
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VK · Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:29 pm Post subject:

m666 · Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:32 am Post subject:

Yeah...and anyways, the only real difference with FS is that there is a new loading screen, some new units, and 2 new campaigns...all of which more likely integratable into TS.
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Bittah Commander · Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:45 am Post subject:

I don't really see the point of changing ETS to EFS... It gives you no advantages for as far as I know, seeming regular TS with the latest patch has exactly the same possiblilities as FS.
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CCHyper · Defense Minister **Joined**: 07 Apr 2005

indeed

i dont care what C&C VK does. all i was is to have something new to play with... and i would be greatful for that!

Blade · Cyborg Commando **Joined**: 23 Dec 2003

Version 2.03 of TS contains all the code for FS anyway. You can merge the firestrm.ini file overrides into rules.ini and as long as you have the FS mix files for the art assets, you can use the FS units in TS games and missions. This is unlike RA2 where YR got a new executable with new logic in it. This forces everyone who wants to use the RP to have YR which shouldn't be the case for the TS community. Go learn some programming and x86 assembly language if you think VK isn't paying enough attention to TS. I don't necessarily agree with the direction some features take in the rock patch, but I keep quiet because I don't intend to spend the time learning how to do it myself.

ORCACommander · Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject:

well you could be wrong about the direction blade. PAD and vk are just trying to give modders as many options as possible.

And BTW haven't seen you in a long time
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Team Black · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:23 am Post subject:

ok sorry for not reading the whole post, I'm not sure whether or not this has already been mentioned, and I really don't feel like reading through all 13 pages ok?

Tiberian Sun is in desperate need of 3+ faction support, including separate mcvs, harvesters,E1's, etc.
That would be awesome ~~
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Harv · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:15 am Post subject:

i agree TB

Clarkson · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:09 am Post subject:

Do we really need 3rd faction support for 300 mods that will either add Scrin or Forgotten sides with overpowered units of FAIL? Jesus...lets concentrate on new logics, working air trans and crap that can actually beuseful before we worry about new factions...
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IVI · Commander **Joined**: 25 Jun 2006 **Location**: Feilubin

Well, I could use another side.... the mod I'm making has 5 sides.... Including Nod and GDI.

There are many things I'm wishing for but I'll leave C&CVK to his work... He should do what he sees fit in this considering there are already dozens of features waiting to be implemented.

Morpher · General **Joined**: 28 Jan 2005

I was under the impression CnCVK has been asked this over 100,000,000,000 times and is working on it. Also 3 sides is probably the max needed support, 4 I would say is the limit, its not easy to balance 3 sides.

However I would say that 3rd faction support should not be at the top of the to do list, there are so many other features and more interesting things that could be worked on before hand.
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Clazzy · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:15 am Post subject:

Why do people ever need more than a third faction? The people who make an extra side virtually never have the expertise to make a decent mod with the graphics set of a new side added in. Nobody was particularly bothered about having three sides until YR came along anyway. Adding a third side logic just takes up too much time and effort when extra features may be implemented that more people will use.

If 50 modders can honestly say (with proof) that they're going to implement a third side in their mod and have got concepts/models/voxels/SHPs/whatever already done then I'll eat my proverbial hat. However, I can safely say that won't be the case.
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ChielScape · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:30 am Post subject:

no, but im voxelling for a mod with 5 sides, 3 of which are new, and with their own graphics (at least voxels)
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IVI · Commander **Joined**: 25 Jun 2006 **Location**: Feilubin

I'm sure the third side logic will be appreciated by me and many others.

Well, if you have to know then... yes. I do draw a lot of concepts and design lots of stuff when I'm not hanging out with my friends, going to school but just at home with nothing else to do.

And the reason why I've got 5 sides in my mod is because two of them are already provided by T.S., 3 are just simple sides by me.

Morpher · General **Joined**: 28 Jan 2005

I partially agree with Clazzy, but third side support, would be nice for some people, and perhaps upcoming mods BUT:

It's hard enough to mod 2 sides / create 2 sides that are balanced, I mean really balanced and work very well together, the general basic formula is one side is strong but slow, whilst the other is weak but fast so where does a third side really manage to balance well?

BTW I have nothing against third sides Wink

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IcySon55 · Commander **Joined**: 19 Nov 2003 **Location**: Overworld

Simple, the third side is the median. Not fast, not slow, and generally average in strength.
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Crimsonum · Seth **Joined**: 14 Jul 2005 **Location**: Fineland

Basicaly it would be just a dummy mix of the two sides then? It could also be super strong, but then again, super slow, or something like that....
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Ickus · General **Joined**: 25 Nov 2002 **Location**: @__@

Adding a new faction logic would be project on its own, involving many different logics and breaking hardcodes only in that area.

I would rather see a slight bias against 3rd faction support, even if I would like to see it implemented.
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Team Black · Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:22 am Post subject:

What about something along the lines of different countries, i.e. the RA games.
the factions would be the same, but they'd each have a "special" unit for each of them.

And I'd expect that if 3+ faction support there'd be alot of noobed cabal and scrin side-mods, but I'd also expect to see alot of good mods as well. So basically it's deciding whether or not it's worth it to go through all the coding just for those couple of good mods.
right?
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Clarkson · Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:06 am Post subject:

Is it? not really...why not get tons of new logics from RA2,TD,RA, for new exotic units, weapons, ect, instead of doing something silly and putting all that effort forward for a third side. If you want a third team, go to YR.
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Dubzac · Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject:

@ desu, most of the current mods are mostly TS its not really that simple to migrate all the data for some mods
and desu theres more TS unit building limits in RA2 (example you can't build a laser fence in vaillina RA2 its just not possable.

and plus Total convertions take too long to make.
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IVI · Commander **Joined**: 25 Jun 2006 **Location**: Feilubin

SMIFFGIG · Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject:

WW had nothing wrong with third sides... considering WW's original intentions was to have CABAL as the third side (yes playable third side) in FS... real shame

third+ side would be a superb additional feature of TS for modders no doubt about it
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Alex06 · Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject:

Make it EFS. It would run both TS and FS that way.

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Vefbl4 · General **Joined**: 07 Feb 2007

Maby it was already sad..but heres my little wish..:

When infirnity gets crushed..it just vanishes..so try to make it leave a death animation..and also time tag how long does this death animation stays on the ground..

If I sad something n00b'ish please forgive me.. Very Happy

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Banshee · Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject:

It has been said over 100 times at this topic that people should post their wishes about it at the following place:
http://www.modenc.renegadeprojects.com/ETS:Wishlist

Otherwise it becomes a pain in the ass for C&CVK to organize the priorities for ETS.

Team Black · Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:29 pm Post subject:

yeah sorry about that; when I asked someone what ETS was, they gave me this link, which was why I posted here.
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Allied General · Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject:

Stability is the key issue thats why there was a uproar about RPCE and PaD left and sort of returned only to see his work have lot of bugs.

Also most of the features which were added in RP were not asked mainly but simply implemented.

Also ETS is a secondary project and its exposure isn't exactly great ... also not many mods seem to even use ETS (i.e. major ones)

Have a big mod like say TO or Clazzys mod use ETS like how MO uses RP and some documentation time spent on it and you might get the support you need.
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Muldrake · Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject:

Providing ETS is stable, TO will use it for sure.
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Banshee · Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject:

At the moment, mods are still not using ETS due to stability. CnCVK expect us to test his changes, because he wants to be more productive implementing more features. I understand his feelings. It's very boring to waste a long time testing the program to find bugs. We implement the features, test them under some conditions and let public test it... the problem is that it comes a moment where stability is a must and we have to start fixing things.

Creagor · Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject:

Yes, but I'd rather see one, fully implamented, feature, rather than two buggy ones. I dont see why C&CVK cant test it himself - things like the GDI EVA voice bug are obvious bugs, that have simply been ignored.

Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against ETS or C&CVK. Like I said, id rather have less features and no bugs than lots of features and loads of bugs.
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Dubzac · Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject:

humm yes i agree with banshee my mod will also use ETS for my sw's and other things ,IMO im not going to add it yet until its stable ,lest thing i want is more bugs however ..i do however support ETS.

ive changed my mind about the ETS third side lets just focus on the items added and fix any bugs first.
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gufu · Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject:

Requiest: Allow for upgrades to be requisites...
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Allied General · Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:17 am Post subject:

gufu · Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:44 am Post subject:

Thank you
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