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Should PPM Support Tiberium?
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Should PPM Support Tiberium? How?
Yes, with full support (Editing, Tutorials, Hosting, News)
43%
 43%  [ 32 ]
Yes, with basic support (Editing, Hosting, News)
13%
 13%  [ 10 ]
Yes, only with News.
25%
 25%  [ 19 ]
No, PPM should stay only with RTS games.
17%
 17%  [ 13 ]
Total Votes : 74

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Banshee
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:16 am    Post subject:   Should PPM Support Tiberium?
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Should PPM support the recently announced Tiberium game? Yes or no? And, if yes, how should it be done. Replied feedback will be taken in consideration. Here's the options:


-> Yes, with full support: Editing forums, tutorials, research, maps, mod hosting, mod coverage and game coverage.
-> Yes, with basic support: Editing forums, mod hosting, mod and game coverage.
-> Yes, just with News: Mod and game coverage.
-> No, it doesn't make sense to support it at all.



Remember that, when we support a game, we naturally reduce support for other already supported games, since I am a human and I have limits. So, choose wisely.

(I am curently only doing mod and game coverage).

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stick with just news updates. As much as I'd like to see a forum dedicated to modding the game, I'd rather see more stuff about TS.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mod and game coverage...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiberium = best game ever. full support plz.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know really. PPM doesn't support Renegade, so why should it support Tiberium... Also, PPM is mainly a RTS modding community.
On the other side, the game could become very popular...
I'd say: yes, with basic support Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea, but beyond that we're all modders and gamers, some of the RA1-RA2:YR peoples could benefit from the skills and talents of up and coming Tiberium Modders. Why exclude them just because it is a FPS.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with dutchy on the ppm community's focus.
Only news.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stick with the news.... XD

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the game becomes popular, I think the basic support option is the best, as it will attract new modders, and as Ickus said, that could help the current community.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'd say basic and full are virtually the same. tutorials will surface either way.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No they are not. Full has maps and researchs as well, mapping discussion, tools developped for it, etc... In the basic, we only have a simple discussion forums.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for full. And hire a side-kick if you must.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

go for just a sub-forum in between C&C3 and Generals in the list called C&C FPSs, and have a sub forum for Tiberium AND Renegade...

And who knows? maybe we'll attract some fresh blood for the TS and YR communities...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judeau wrote:
I agree with dutchy on the ppm community's focus.
Only news.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dutchy has a good point.

News.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Add a forum called other games and that will take care of things as lt. albrecht said.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This could lure in more 3D modelers...I go for news/basic support.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judeau, elerium, joshi, you're all not quite understanding what Dutchy said...

vOi!king ship wrote:
Go for full. And hire a side-kick if you must.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vOi!king ship wrote:
Go for full. And hire a side-kick if you must.


Quoted for Truth, and because full support is the only way to go for fresh meat..er...talent around here.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Full will only work if we really have people skilled and interested on it, which I seriously doubt that we have, at this moment.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's simply keep it at news - we barrely began moding CnC 3...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

News. If, at a future date, you change your mind (if you see enough talent and demand on the forums) you could just add the forums for it then.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol..well that is true, if people are not going to mod Tiberium..then this discussion is done with. #Tongue

but I still think the possibility of attracting new talent, modelers and skill into this community. I know that is an inequality. Full support for "Tiberium" does not equal delicious cake..
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banshee, PPM needs to look to the future. Yes, it's going to be hard. But you must have someone to back you and Muldrake up and also bring in new stuff. A person, who has enough time and the skill to work with this new game is needed.

Just go and look around. I'm sure you'll find someone.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mighty BOB! wrote:
you could just add the forums for it then.


Well, if we don't have it before hand, it would pretty much show 'Hey, we have no interest in this game.' to new people and...well...drive them away in some aspects.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the Tiberium modding community grows there is nothing wrong with supporting it. The site is project perfect mod, and doesn't restrict itself simply to the RTS genre. Being honest a new game with the amount of features and attention it will probably will recieve when launched, you can't not expect an overhaul of work to do, but I guess the more effort you put in, the more you will end up with eventually.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ehmm, ChielScape is right here. I said: basic support, not only news...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I say no, I don't think it will be much diffrent gameplay wise to Battlefield 2142 which was rubbish compaired to battlefield 2. And I think renegade was more original than this. I know I won't be getting the game anyway so this is just my veiw. If im gunna play a FPS game ill stick with counter strike : source thank you very much Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only reason I've voted to support Tiberium 100%, is because this comunity is dying. Tiberium will more than likely attract more people.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gufu wrote:
Let's simply keep it at news - we barrely began moding CnC 3...


QFT. My vote goes to news only.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banshee wrote:
Full has maps and researchs as well, mapping discussion, tools developped for it, etc...


What for?
It's the UnrealEngine.
EA will deliver the editor, and that does it all.
Mapping, scripting.

Models can be exported from 3ds max in some format (in UE2 it was ASE) and then imported to UEd again.
Same goes for everything else you'd need.

This has all nothing (yes, I mean nothing) to do with modding as we know it from C&C.
"Research" and "tools development" is completely obsolete, because by the time Tiberium is gonna get release, it's all available.

I vote for no support, it's officially not even C&C after all.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Yes, with full support (Editing, Tutorials, Hosting, News) ? "

hell yes... we need fuel for the perfect project mod so we can have even more members
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A drive to get members is nice and all but I doubt we'd see them outside of their Tiberium based forum. I say just news.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pd wrote:
Banshee wrote:
Full has maps and researchs as well, mapping discussion, tools developped for it, etc...


What for?
It's the UnrealEngine.
EA will deliver the editor, and that does it all.
Mapping, scripting.

Models can be exported from 3ds max in some format (in UE2 it was ASE) and then imported to UEd again.
Same goes for everything else you'd need.

This has all nothing (yes, I mean nothing) to do with modding as we know it from C&C.
"Research" and "tools development" is completely obsolete, because by the time Tiberium is gonna get release, it's all available.

I vote for no support, it's officially not even C&C after all.


EA delivers exporting tools only, if they do. The only tool I'd make for it is to add support for Tiberium on OS BIG Editor. That doesn't seem to cost me much.

Research seems to be obsolette, I agree and I would only make it depending on the quality of the topics seen in the editing forum.

Mapping suppport would be the 'plus' from the full support... and tutorials.

Unreal modding is totally different from SAGE and I must admit I'm not very interested to learn it or practice it.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

basic support FTW - we can up it if it realy gets popular..
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is retarded. More than half the community here can't even mod RA2 properly WITH tutorials and all the information at ModEnc...why is "full support" winning!?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banshee wrote:
EA delivers exporting tools only, if they do. The only tool I'd make for it is to add support for Tiberium on OS BIG Editor. That doesn't seem to cost me much.


Most people don't seem to get it.
There is not going to be any BIG files or whatever.
Remember, they use the UnrealEngine, not there own.
The UnrealEngine works with packages.
Packages, which don't require any user-made tool, but just UnrealEd.

If EA does not release their version of the UnrealEditor, Tiberium can kiss my ass goodbye.
Because I'm not gonna use user-made tools if I can just mod UT3 with the editor.

Tiberium is gonna be nothing but a mod.
Take Postal 2 which is based on UE2.
It's a mod.
Even UT2004 is just a mod of the engine.
The whole game is written in UnrealScript, packages added, etc.
The binary code, the UnrealEngine, is mostly the same for all games, it just executes the scripts.

Oh, and I agree with Icy.
Many people fail editing INIs.
And then they're supposed to code UnrealScript (which is basically a variated Java)? Hell no.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aside from the arguments about EA doing it, again, no. Why? The only really big part here is the TS community. The RA2 community is barely alive. TW and Generals are pretty much dead. No modder of Tiberium is going to want to have hosting here because the site is primarily focused on a game of an entirely different genre(rts), hell, nevermind the fact that that the other boards are pretty much dead.

Just keep what it is.... More useless boards are not a good thing.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess starting with a basic forum for TIBERIUM modding won´t hurt. If people show interest you can expand it, if they don´t then you can still get rid of it.

Though admittedly I doubt there will be much modding going on for TIB. Vanilla UT3 offers the same/very similar possibilities and will be much more widespread.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just don't see that many FPS modders coming to this forum for one game. And if they did, I don't see them helping that much with the current situation of bringing new talent to the RTS games. they would have to want to stop modding FPS, or at the very least, put it on hold to mod a RTS.

If we want new talent, perhaps opening the forum up to other RTS games other than only C&C games.

I say keep it at just News.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its all good saying this, but we haven't played the game, and we don't know how popular it is. Likely Cnc followers will try it, so if we put some effort into it here, we can attract more members not just for Tiberium, but for others as well.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New poll: Who plans to actually mod tiberium?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need any damn poll, DaFool Just look at the forums for activity.

Tib Sun - alive

Red Alert 2 - Sometimes

Generals - um what

Tib Wars- Life Support

Warcraft - Killed In Action

This community is a TS community whether we like it or not(I, for one, don't.), and its a waste of Banshee's time, and bandwidth, to support a game that will get even LESS attention then the 4 games mentioned up above. I'd advocate a total shift to TS 100%, honestly, because thats what this place really is in the end. This is _not_ the place for Generals support, Not for Tib Wars, Not for RA2. Tiberium will just be more of a waste. Don't bother with these crappy polls, just look at the damn boards themselves.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I beg to argue with you on that Mei Ling. OK, RA2 ain't what it used to be, but it still is active (without any support). Just wait untill RP2 comes out...
I agree with you on Generals, nobody here cares about Generals (I even have found another forum dedicated to Generals and TW editing)...
And about TW: I say wait untill a few months after KW release. Most ppl will bgein to mod when they have a improved engine, so they don't need to change codes when putting a mod from the original game to the ExPack...
And you may be right, TS is the most active modding forum here. But to change PPM to a TS modding forum only? No. If you want that, we have 2 TibWebs instead of 1 #Tongue
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rock Patches shouldn't make a game sustainable for modding. Thats ridiculous. RA2's just dying I think. You have the TS fans who still cling, and most of the RA2 modders moved to Gens, then TW. (Sleipnir's Stuff is an example of this.) Not really because of rock patches, just because Gens and TW offer more things.

I guess the TS fans are nostalgic or something. Confused and-or lack 3d modding ability. Who knows. Who cares, RA2's still mod vacant except for like TAKTICS, X-Com and Star Strike.

Cutting Gens support (lol what) wouldn't be a bad idea, though, no? I like playing it, but if I am coming for modding advice on it, no offense, but PPM would probably be the last place I'd look unless some vets came along to PPM like the heads of Shockwave and MEC or something. We have no Generals-savvy people here, really. Maybe somebody could put the Hover Crusader back in the game with a tutorial at the most, but supporting modding of a game nobody here is 'decent' with, is just bloody silly. Nobody can offer advice except for a link to an offsite tutorial, which means the visitor likely has to register at another forum if he/she screws up using it and hope the people there are Gens-suave. Its a total runaround and a waste of our time, the visitors, and everybody involved.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mei Ling wrote:
I'd advocate a total shift to TS 100%, honestly, because thats what this place really is in the end.

What the f*ck. Look at Tib Web. what it is that compared to PPM? nothing Why? Because it only supports TS, TW and TD

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not really, its main downfall was the fact that it was going online, offline, online, offline, and then in the final move, many members where lost because they could not find the place.

Now, it quite lazy, dont post enough news, or get its self involved in anything.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting rid of RA2? No. That wouldn't be very smart.

Generals.... is something that isn't very useful here. I wouldn't mind if it got removed.

TW is a boring game. I played it once and that lasted about 2 hours. No fun, I can't even see why people would mod it.

Tiberium dosen't seem like it would attract any talent at all. Icy is right. People can barely handle working with ini files, with tuts! You expect people to actually do UnrealScript? No. This will just bring more noobs.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

May I tell y'all that this poll is about Tiberium, not about the other games supported here... This discussion about the other games can better be held in a different topic...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:31 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Nah, its people ask too much simple questions on modding TS/RA2 in general. And modding this FPS would bring more simple questions in the process. I'm a modding veteran in TS/RA2 and have no problems in fixing bugs myself and I suggest others doing some research before asking questions. So my call is a No! For the sake of maintaining TS/RA2 modding documentation.
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