I don't have my normal computer (I'm on a holiday) so I don't have the link ready, but somewhere on the Petrologyhp (or something) forum, a topic with a very long start post answering all kinds of questions about Westwood's C&C story and such.
Someone pulled it here aswell. Just search and you'll find it. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
It's not the soviet ending that is supposed to end in Tiberian Dawn. That way Nod are complete rules of the world when tiberium hits the planet, since the Soviets already have control. Kane controls Soviet at the time being. See the logic? When the Allies win, Kane builds the brotherhood of Nod and when tiberium comes, he wants to lead the destiny of mankind.
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:19 am Post subject:
I don't think so. Westwood said that Red Alert 1 Allied end was supposed to lead to RA2 (but after that they also said that somewhere in C&C4 or C&C3 Yuri would appear, steal a Chronosphere, and start the RA2 timeline from there), and the Sovie tend was supposed to lead to Tiberian Dawn. RA3's timeline appears somewhere at the end of RA2 I guess. _________________ ☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:37 am Post subject:
Echt? Why are you talking Dutch?
You are right, you just forgot some links. According to Westwood, this is it:
Red Alert 1 Soviet ending
Tiberian Dawn
Tiberian Sun
Firestorm
Kane's Wrath part 1
Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars + Kane's Wrath part 2
Kane's Wrath part 3 AND Red Alert 2 (different dimension)
C&C4 Yuri's Revenge (different dimension)
But Westwood also said:
Red Alert 1 Allied ending
Red Alert 2
Yuri's Revenge
So they're a bit stupid. Generals is just nowhere, Westwood hasn't said anything about it, so... _________________ ☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭
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(It seems also that Cherdenko time traveled just hours after Romanov was captured. I realized this just now )
Wait a sec.... It seems Red Alert games keep making new timelines. And let me get this right: WW said that the Master mysteriously appeared on RA2 because of a crappy Chronosphere in CNC 4? That would make sense, in a way. It'll explain everything in CNC, except Generals. QUICK_EDIT
Red Alert Allied Victory lead to Tiberian Dawn, Tiberian Dawn lead to TS and TS lead to FS. FS lead to WW old CNC 3 some now are CNC 3 Tiberian Wars. And the exp pack to CNC 3 Kane's Wrath.
But before CNC 3 start, the chronosphere send Yuri back some lead to Red Alert 2. Red Alert 3 follow Red Alert 2 story and not Yuri's Revenge.
So RA - TD - TS - FS - Chronosphere crash - CNC 3 - Kane W~ - CNC 4.
Chronosphere crash - RA 2 - YR. ( But remember EA remove YR so then is only.) - RA 2 - RA 3 - Uprising.
Then Generals and ZH some are now time. xD _________________ Can you hide from me ? QUICK_EDIT
The thing about time travel is YR can still happen with RA3 occuring along side.
So at the end of RA2 the Soviets are losing. Some Commanders travel back to 1929 or whatever, but that creates a new timeline, so theyre no longer in the RA2 universe. They come back to present but it is another alternate line. Meanwhile back in the original timeline the President gets a message from Yuri. QUICK_EDIT
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Take my advice, don't bother trying to work out the timeline. It always has holes and it always makes little sense, and there are always silly mistakes between games. QUICK_EDIT
Original version
(Red Alert ->?) Tiberian Dawn -> Tiberian Sun -> Tiberian Incursion
Last version Westwood studios thought of:
Red Alert (Allied victory) -> Tiberian Dawn - Tiberian Sun - Tiberian Incursion - [time messes up] - Red Alert 2.
This is the the way Adam Isgreen said the last WS version was and remember this was never officially stated and is not endorsed by EALA.
Popular fan assumption:
RA (Soviet victory) -> Tiberian Dawn -> (Renegade? ->) Tiberian Sun -> Tiberium Wars -> C&C4 "Tiberian Twilight"
Last official statement:
Red Alert Universe: RA -> RA2 - [time messes up] - RA3
Tiberium Universe: RA -> Tiberian Dawn -> Renegade -> Tiberian Sun -> Tiberium Wars -> C&C4 "Tiberian Twilight"
Generals Universe: Generals -> Generals Zero Hour
The game that makes no sense at all story wise is Renegade...
Renegade is supposed to happen at the end of the first Tiberium War, but almost everything is different, even the location of the Temple of Nod..
Tiberian Dawn:
Temple gets destroyed in late 1995/1996 in Sarajevo
Renegade:
Temple gets destroyed in late 2020 in a desert location (Egypt?)
.................
Now it's time to download Dune 2 and DOSBox and start to speculate how Dune fits with C&C. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
C&C is:
Red Alert (1) - Tiberian Dawn - Tiberian Sun - Westwoods C&C3
The other games are just excuses for more money, while fun to play and all they arn't truely apart of the C&C storyline (even tho people have tryed to badly explain it away). QUICK_EDIT
yes, plz, no more "official" speculations about C&C^2+45=TS5. theres nothin' new gonna pop up.
go ahead explore the idea, but do something with it, write a short story, fanfic bleh...or just mod it...but argh lol. _________________ Delirium.. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:47 am Post subject:
Rico wrote:
C&C is:
Red Alert (1) - Tiberian Dawn - Tiberian Sun - Westwoods C&C3
The other games are just excuses for more money, while fun to play and all they arn't truely apart of the C&C storyline (even tho people have tryed to badly explain it away).
False.
Red Alert 1 -> TD has so much evidence against from the in-universe perspective that its insane. (damning evidence #405: GDI would be headed by major European nations as the United States would still be a neutral nation without any desire of having a global presence- your commander would be German or British; conversely in TD everything was post-Cold War, including the balance of power; GDI was practically the modern US Army with a few new toys.)
Westwood's C&C3 only existed in beta form and therefore doesn't count. Cry yourself to sleep, post whatever you want to try to prove the contrary, it isn't going to change. Westwood's CNC3 is DEAD. DOESN'T COUNT WORTH SHIT. GG. NO RE.
Oh and no matter how much you want to think C&C-3 Tib Wars, RA3, etc don't count, they do. Guess who owns the rights to CNC? Guess who gave up the rights to CNC? Guess what that means?
PS I can go and destroy the entire RA->TD connection all day, just ask. _________________ YR modder/artist, DOOM mapper, aka evanb90
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:15 am Post subject:
Tore wrote:
Ugh.......
Original version
(Red Alert ->?) Tiberian Dawn -> Tiberian Sun -> Tiberian Incursion
Last version Westwood studios thought of:
Red Alert (Allied victory) -> Tiberian Dawn - Tiberian Sun - Tiberian Incursion - [time messes up] - Red Alert 2.
This is the the way Adam Isgreen said the last WS version was and remember this was never officially stated and is not endorsed by EALA.
Popular fan assumption:
RA (Soviet victory) -> Tiberian Dawn -> (Renegade? ->) Tiberian Sun -> Tiberium Wars -> C&C4 "Tiberian Twilight"
Last official statement:
Red Alert Universe: RA -> RA2 - [time messes up] - RA3
Tiberium Universe: RA -> Tiberian Dawn -> Renegade -> Tiberian Sun -> Tiberium Wars -> C&C4 "Tiberian Twilight"
Generals Universe: Generals -> Generals Zero Hour
The game that makes no sense at all story wise is Renegade...
Renegade is supposed to happen at the end of the first Tiberium War, but almost everything is different, even the location of the Temple of Nod..
Tiberian Dawn:
Temple gets destroyed in late 1995/1996 in Sarajevo
Renegade:
Temple gets destroyed in late 2020 in a desert location (Egypt?)
.................
Now it's time to download Dune 2 and DOSBox and start to speculate how Dune fits with C&C.
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:25 am Post subject:
Tore wrote:
Now it's time to download Dune 2 and DOSBox and start to speculate how Dune fits with C&C.
Now that's an easy one, clearly C&C is a prequel to Dune 2 set like 20,000 years before the Battle for Arrakis
Seriously though, get Dune 2 anyway (if you haven't played it yet), and give this old classic a try. Trust me, you won't regret it! _________________ I am MrFlibble. Just MrFlibble. From the Potato King to Uncle Arnie to MrFlibble. I am his right hand. FED2k Forums - Westwood Studios' Dune games and more QUICK_EDIT
It's all just a mess now, really. There's no point wondering which game follows what, except for ones like TS/FS, RA2/YR and KW/TW. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Well, seeing as Kane is an alien, they could just explain it like this:
Kane wanted to get back to his own planet/time, so he tried to use the Chronosphere, which threw him into an alternate Universe (tiberium universe)
This is good because it keeps the games separate and explains Kane's presence in RA1. Just running through ideas. _________________
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ra3 begins the second ra2 ends. When the allies are storming the Kremlin, 3 guys activate a time machine, kill einstein, and come back to the time in which they left. So it can pretty much be assumed that ra3 takes during the time spam where ra2 ends. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
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And let me get this right: WW said that the Master mysteriously appeared on RA2 because of a crappy Chronosphere in CNC 4? That would make sense, in a way. It'll explain everything in CNC, except Generals.
