Joined: 19 Aug 2009 Location: Moscow State University
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:38 am Post subject:
what about linking super weapons with normal weapons_
I played generals shockwave mod, airforce general's burton can throw a smoke signal on ground, then an airstrike is started. Also I remember in some general mods such beacon can be used for paradrop and other super weapons. I think a unit that can use micro lightning storm or psychics dominator will be cool. _________________ Tired of grabbing my random SHP conversions? Why not learn to create SHPs for yourself? QUICK_EDIT
Don't see the problem or the need for some Ares hacking in this. Even in TS you can code such a SW. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
Well he means that any weapon should be able to target a SW. I guess more like an advanced EMP Cannon logic (which isn't currently in Ares at all). QUICK_EDIT
Isn't that still just a matter of a bit of rules and art coding?
Psychic Dominator:
-fire weapon on cell
-use cellspread on warhead
-use special infantry transformation animation on warhead
-use some other animations for the crazy glow effect etc
Nuke:
-fire weapon on cell
-use warhead with Nuke settings
Chronosphere:
-use chrono legionnaire weapon clone (don't see any other way, because for normal chronoport there aren't enough infos: no location where the unit should be teleported to)
Iron Curtain:
-wasn't Ares having this as a warhead key already? So just use a weapon with the IC warhead
Airstrike:
-use Boris logic
-or use the logic from DTA (which is just a bit more complex animation on a regular warhead)
Lightning Storm
-nothing than a warhead that spawns a bunch of animations (can be also done in TS)
etc.
Several SW are simply not suitable for normal weapons (like chronosphere: where should the hit unit be teleported?) and every other SW can be surely done with a bit ini coding. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
Of course. There are several ways to do that.
a) use slow flying projectile (maybe invisible)
b) use animations (art.ini offers more than playing only a single SHP from first to last frame)
[TIMER]
Start=0
End=10
Rate=50 ;adjust this for the delay
Next=INITSW
;this is used to create a debris from a normal anim
[INITSW]
TrailerAnim=STARTSW ;the debris that launches the superweapon stuff. warheads are correctly used on debris and special things can be done via anims again.
Take a look at the TI and DTA Nukes. I deliberately coded them to be no instant hit weapon but with a delay.
The DTA airstrike is another example for such a delayed SW. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:17 pm Post subject:
Before my HDD crashed, I had a plan to add it. Dunno when I'll get there tho. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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@AG: Well, why not suggesting to remove the flaws, before features that are by 80% already possible and only used by 1 or 2 people
Allowing Conventional=yes on art.ini debris might be a good suggestion then.
Though imo Ares should first fix the serious problems like broken savegame logic before adding more and more features. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
Though imo Ares should first fix the serious problems like broken savegame logic
I like the way you think.
Word. Altough the particular issue brought up is something that could get broken easily after adding new features, and would need constant maintenance to keep in a functioning state.
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@AG: Well, why not suggesting to remove the flaws, before features that are by 80% already possible and only used by 1 or 2 people
Allowing Conventional=yes on art.ini debris might be a good suggestion then.
I did add this as a blueprint just now, been meaning to do it for a while. Can be found here. Details of course could be reconsidered, but I think simple Conventional=yes/no does not allow for as complete control as something like I proposed in the blueprint. _________________ Last edited by Starkku on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:02 am; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
Word. Altough the particular issue brought up is something that could get broken easily after adding new features, and would need constant maintenance to keep in a functioning state.
It seems to me Ares is a never ending project, requests keep coming, so save/load won't be fixed for a long time, if the current way of working continues. _________________
I rather think the savegame feature will be the one creating the biggest frustration and it will most likely be the last big feature I'll code. Because it starts to get on my nerves, for the last time: It can't be split into smaller parts. It will take lots of time, because it requires dozen logics to be changed, which could not support savegames otherwise. It will crash until everything is in place. Until then, it can't be tested. If it's finally completed, it will require work and testing to actually keep it working. Later on, every minor addition will possibly break it. Even if not, savegames will become incompatible. No fun, so I won't do it in the next months.
The EMP cannon could have been in Ares since 2010, but you all know about the testing situation. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
This suggestion seems much better to me than LKOs. Not everything can be perfectly mimicked, for example DeliverySW or Paradrops. I think also importantly this could link a weapon to a SW structure like the Nuke Silo. If it was charged a distant unit on the map could have to provide the target marker for the launch. If you want a weapon that causes nukes to magically rain down from the sky then this isn't the logic for you but I think it has cool gameplay opportunities. QUICK_EDIT
@AlexB: can't you simply give new Ares logics a default value? So if you read a savegame which doesn't has any information about a new logic, then this logic isn't set and uses the default setting instead?
e.g.
-A tank using new Ares logic
-savegame is created with the tank
-savegame loses information about the special Ares logic
-savegame is loaded
-the Tank now uses the default setting of the Ares logic
This way savegames stay compatible even with new versions and you just have to warn users that information about currently in process Ares actions are lost when a game is saved and loaded again.
It's like "i can only save integers, but also handle strings. when i save my variables, i only save the integers. When i load the variables, only the integers are filled and the strings are all empty". _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:44 pm Post subject:
I mean a weapon that triggers your ready sw or off map other sw. One example will be boris throw a smoke beacon, runs away, and a complex airstrike sw is launched. Original airstrike system is very much limited. I know minor dominator can be created with gear zero but complex.
Another example: berserk gas warhead sw that covers 10 cell ,in the center 4cells units will have double damage with attacheffect. You cannot detonate 2 warheads with one sw, but if warhead 1 can trigger sw2, that will be the case. _________________ Tired of grabbing my random SHP conversions? Why not learn to create SHPs for yourself? QUICK_EDIT
@AlexB: can't you simply give new Ares logics a default value? So if you read a savegame which doesn't has any information about a new logic, then this logic isn't set and uses the default setting instead?
e.g.
-A tank using new Ares logic
-savegame is created with the tank
-savegame loses information about the special Ares logic
-savegame is loaded
-the Tank now uses the default setting of the Ares logic
This way savegames stay compatible even with new versions and you just have to warn users that information about currently in process Ares actions are lost when a game is saved and loaded again.
It's like "i can only save integers, but also handle strings. when i save my variables, i only save the integers. When i load the variables, only the integers are filled and the strings are all empty".
Thats a lot more work that it seems... Making sure save games work correctly when extending classes can be troublesome, so to be honest, im with AlexB. QUICK_EDIT
I'm all for savegames, but only with non-testing versions, having to fix saves for every test version would be stupid. _________________ MIdAS - Turning wages into beer since 2002 QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:58 pm Post subject:
debris never works with water, and ares doesnt support anim warhead, as I remember. Warhead sw is just a warhead with damage no projectile tags can be used. I will try workarounds before posting a feature, and most my ideas are not possible with workarounds. I mean, I am already a workaround master. _________________ Tired of grabbing my random SHP conversions? Why not learn to create SHPs for yourself? QUICK_EDIT
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what about linking super weapons with normal weapons_
