[MarauderSequence]
Ready=0,1,1
Guard=0,1,1
Prone=0,1,1
Walk=8,9,9
FireUp=113,5,5
SecondaryFire=113,5,5
Idle1=80,18,0,E
Idle2=98,15,0,S
Die1=153,25,0
Die2=179,18,0
Die3=0,1,1
Die4=0,1,1
Die5=0,1,1
Cheer=0,1,0,NW
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Colossus
-needs standing frames and maybe should even get a deathanim.
-canvas should be optimized and reduced to 260x260
Zergling
-shadow frames use pixel with colors other than #1 (game renders as shadow anyway; though not that clean SHP job this way)
-canvas needs to be optimized (can be reduced from 300x300 down to only 90x90! No need to let the game allocate 720.000 byte for a single frame when 64800 byte do the job too)
autotur and ultralisk need optimized canvas
All SHPs need some correct lighting !
Right now they have no lighting at all and only use textures with some lighted/shadowed areas, so it looks like the sun is following the turning unit. This doesn't fit to RA2/TS.
Now that you see how these units are done, you should consider creating your own ones from scratch. Then you can release them without having to fear copyright issues. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
I'm pretty sure they won't last long here. I'm actually astonished that Banshee risks them having here. With PPM being on a german server and thus under german jurisdiction, copyright lawsuits can become quite expensive. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:05 am Post subject:
Swiss. Dobby is in Switzerland AFAIK. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:11 am Post subject:
Yea, realized meanwhile. Revora is Swiss, but the hosts are provided via Icetex. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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Download SC1 modding tools, extract the images from your SC1 disc and convert them to SHP yourself. Much easier than rendering the 3D assets from SC2. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
Extracting the SC1 assets are kinda hard now, more so with most of the sites hosting the more better tools shutting down since the games pretty old. _________________ ~ Excelsior ~ QUICK_EDIT
left one better than the right
Not sure if the left one does actually have a light source or if it's only a drastically increased contrast on the texture.
But it's still missing selfshadowing on the left one. The head should shadow parts of the body below it. Though it's hard to tell since the textures themselves have already bright reflection and dark shadow spots.
Also hard to tell if lighting is correct when facing SW. Let them face south to see it better. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
if you mean with angle the height, this can be correct. In TS and even more RA2 do some SHPs have longer/shorter shadows than they should (like a lower/higher standing sun just for shadow casting)
But both TS and RA2 have the sun at the same position, exactly southwest. I know that some RA2 objects do have a shadow from a sun which is more west than southwest, but these are exceptions IIRC and not the majority.
Screenshots please. Can't open your 3dsmax file if they aren't saved as version 6 or 9.
Another simple and effective test. Render a unit without any texture. Just the plain default 3dsmax mesh color. Then it's easy to tell if the material or the lighting has issues. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
Your setup looks good. Nice ambient occlusion you've added (maybe a tad too strong which makes bottom sides a tad too dark). My old foundation example is indeed a bit outdated in this case.
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I don't think screenshot would work since you cannot read chinese.
np, i can compare the checkboxes (i assume they are still on the same place as 3dsmax 9)
The mesh setup looks correct. All necessary checkboxes under "Rendering Control" are active.
"Receive Shadows", "Cast Shadows" and "Apply Atmospherics" are necessary to be on, and they are on.
kenosis wrote:
No extra settings on texture. I just drag-drop the PSD file on the model.
But here lies the problem.
Your material has 0 on the "Specular Level" set. (the field right below the 3 colors Ambient, Diffuse, Specular)
Thus there are no highlights/reflections which results in a very matte surface.
Set at least 25, for a carapace like the zergs armor i would even go up to 75 which is almost metallic shiny.
Due to the matte texture, the lighting isn't turning out as good as it could.
Also try to put a copy (you can set "instance of original") of the same texture into the bumpmap. This can do wonders in detail too. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:16 pm Post subject:
I think it is just how I want them to be. Darker or brighter, not important but just need all converted share the same brightness.
I personally don't like shiny zergs. They should be just biological flesh.
Set the specular color to a bright flesh color (e.g. yellow/orange) and not the default white. This should improve things.
Also raise the "Glossiness" (10 in your setting right below the Specular Level). A higher value makes the reflections smaller and sharper. Something like 25 to 50 could work.
But yes, such a bright reflection looks bad.
It's strange that the units northern half (right side from the units point of view) of the skull is darker than the southern half (left side from the units point of view). According to your shadows, it should be actually vice versa (right side of skull facing towards sun should be brighter than left half that faces away from sun).
Are sun and shadow casting light not on the same position?
Maybe i'm just not used to your lighting setup with the sun in west (not southwest) and the shadows going straight east (not northeast). _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:42 pm Post subject:
It looks like shadows going straight east but actually not. Since it should have the same shadow angle like the tesla coil, it means the left side should be brighter than the right side as the sun is on the left side.
The lighting is not SO important. Converting them into SHP already causes quality loses. The few difference will be wiped in shp builder.
I think it's the "extra light" coming from the completely wrong side. This adds the unexpected highlights.
All light sources should be at the same place (except maybe an "ambient"-only light source which has no direction and makes the scene in general brighter) _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
of course. you only changed the type but not the location (in this case with the object close and within the directional and omni lights ranges, there is no big difference)
Move the extra light to the shadow caster!
It's illogical and unrealistic to have the main light source on a different place than the main shadow caster.
Can you show screeshots of the shadow casting light and the extra light settings?
That's because your lights aren't at the correct direct southwest location but more west than southwest.
In your case move it on the black (i think x-axis) line on the grid. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
Then use the shadow caster only for the shadows on the ground, not the inner object selfshadowing (i.e., turn it only on when you render the shadow frames). If you look at buildings, their inner shadowing is still from direct southwest (trees, rocks, cliffs, terrain, civil buildings, almost everything is following this light setup).
However, your current solution with the main light source on the completely wrong position is not doing things better.
You can also play around by using 3 light sources
-one for the RA2 shadow direction
-one for the correct lighting (the directional light)
-one to raise slightly the ambient light, so the darkest parts can't get too dark (omni light with Ambient only and only a small Multiplier like 0.25)
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:50 pm Post subject:
Still no big difference for human eye at 40cm away. Also the tail is too dark.
Can you tell which hydra uses what lighting?
One is what you suggested. Another is simply the hydra with the strong contrast.
Not important what light you use I think. The only important is the box render effect.
I think a texture is dark itself. Details on body and tail just cant be seen, and rendes black. I would do in Diffuse map - Output - RGB Level to 1.2. Also Map Self-Illumination could be set 5-10. _________________ Gangster is a Project Perfect Wuj (c)Aro QUICK_EDIT
as said before, let them face south. When you let them face southwest, you can't really tell if the lighting is right, because you only see one side of the unit.
But when facing south, you can see if the right arm is correctly shadowed by the body due to the southwest sun. So you can see if right and left side of the unit have a different brightness.
When the unit faces south and you can mirror it along the vertical axis without noticing any difference between left and right side of the unit, you know your lighting is messed up. (see attachment)
And in your case all units look almost the same when you mirror them, like there is special no light direction.
kenosis wrote:
Not important what light you use I think. The only important is the box render effect.
It is important when the unit rotates and you get a much better estimation of the lights position.
If you don't like the dark parts then also play around with the ambient light multiplier.
However, your lighting with orthogonal directed lights is an absolute no-go.
Make all lights come from the same correct side, then do minor adjustments to darkness/brightness with an ambient light.
Can you upload one of these units (hydralisk) as 3ds (doesn't needs animations or textures)? Just would like to test/show lighting myself.
mirrorlighttest.png
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see, no difference between left and right side. Both have the same brightness, thus wrong or no lighting.
which setup is this? yours with the directional light in the bottom right?
Looks ok, but the difference between lit and shadowed side could be a bit stronger. Though it could be also the texture with its own lighting, with a bright to dark gradient from top to bottom.
I would also expect a much brighter spot on the left side of the head, but i guess you set the specular level back to 0 again. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:57 pm Post subject:
Not important. I don't like bright zerg or strong contrast. I can add contrast by simply moving the ambient light but I will not.
Just about personal taste.
Not important. I don't like bright zerg or strong contrast. I can add contrast by simply moving the ambient light but I will not.
Just about personal taste.
So you compare your work with the worst art there is?
Ok, then keep using a wrong lighting and bad materials. I tried to help.
Too bad, i saw some potential. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:52 am Post subject:
The fact is I am not planning any TC mod so they should fit RA2 environment. However you think RA2 is wrong, strong contrasted ones will look strange since I won't remake the templates, civilian buildings and trees. Lighting would better accord with RA2.
Yours does not fit to RA2. Is it so hard to see? Your SHPs look out of place in RA2.
It's not about contrast, it's because the light is wrong. RA2 does not has 3 Suns in different places like your SHPs.
Take the Squid for example. Look how it has reflections and not only a matte, plain even lighted texture like your units.
Look at buildings, how they have a lighted and shadowed side. Not like your units which you can mirror and they still look the same.
Look at the weather control building how the metallic dome has a reflection on the left side. Your lighting would put it on the opposite side, thus wrong.
Look at the soviet barracks, how the figure is shaded on the right side and how dark it can get. Your setup would make it look even brighter on the right than the left side.
Look at the dome/ball on the Iron Curtain building. It has a reflective texture with a complete reflection of the sky, showing you exactly the suns position as a small bright spot. Try to create a sphere with such a metallic reflection and notice how wrong your lighting setup is.
Look at the Nuclear missile (ngmisl_g.shp) how it has a bright left and shadowed right side. How the tip has an even brighter reflection on the left.
This is actually such a simple shape, you should recreate the missile as exact as possible. Then compare your Missile with this one and you see how messed up your lighting is. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
If we're talking of it blending with the Vanilla Art its definitely very different. The Zerg have more dull colors though and not enough sheen on them.
Baneling & Roach just look almost like blobs of darkness. _________________ ~ Excelsior ~ QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:09 am Post subject:
This is what the roach is like under EXTREME graphic quality.
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Almost like blobs of darkness.
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I don't know why he doesn't sees this.
Of course I know lighting should be like in the box test.
If the box already has a right lighting, why still bitch about the actual place of lights? If a box in the scene has the right lighting, the hydralisk should also do.
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which setup is this? yours with the directional light in the bottom right?
Looks ok, but the difference between lit and shadowed side could be a bit stronger.
So .............
It is SHP Builder. While the render output looks ok, the conversion ruins the difference in lighting. So should have some strong contrast when making the render.
Of course I know lighting should be like in the box test.
If the box already has a right lighting, why still bitch about the actual place of lights? If a box in the scene has the right lighting, the hydralisk should also do.
The box is a matte plain colored thing. Try a metallic material on the box or better a metallic sphere.
Your ambient lighting might be fitting (which is what you see on the box), but not the specular, diffuse and shadowed one. (specular, diffuse and shadow play a bigger role when using textures and correct set materials. No default matte plastic stuff. Shadow=unit self shadowing, not the single colored one on the ground)
So you have 1 of 4 lighting aspects correct. In other words 3 of 4 lighting aspects are wrong. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
Watch a few lighting and texturing tutorials if these basics are unknown.
Specular map: the texture defines the places on which specular reflections can appear and at which strength. The brightness of the texture defines the max strength of the specular level on this place. This of course also needs a higher Specular level set than 0.
Thus for example a pure black texture would add no bright spots at all, even if you have Specular level=100.
Just by looking at the material preview sphere in your max it is obvious that your material is set up bad. There are no reflections, no light and shadow influences. Just a plain matte colored circle. So any light source in your scene isn't affecting this material at all. The material looks the same in shadow and in lit areas. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:02 pm Post subject:
OK. Finally I figured out what was wrong.
It is nothing about texture setting or specular. My max has "gamma & lut correction" enabled. Don't remember when I enabled it but that's the problem.
render 1 and 4 are normal renders.
2,3 are my renders with "gamma & lut correction".
Fine. Now you can stop bitching about self-shadowing or other settings. You all didn't get the point.
is the best, even if lighting is a tad too strong. But at least you see that this is done with only 1 light source, not 3 from different directions.
Half the specular level and add a weak Ambient only light to make the shadowed areas a tad brighter (not pure black) and you have a perfect RA2 lighting.
is ok too, but needs some specular.
is ok, but the side facing away from the sun is not dark enough. Shadow is too weak.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:27 pm Post subject:
No.3 looks only like as if it is frozen and is VERY BAD. Before today's discovery all my efforts to add specular ended up like that.
I checked the w3x things. They don't have gamma & lut correction enabled so the problem is only with SC2 stuff. _________________ Tired of grabbing my random SHP conversions? Why not learn to create SHPs for yourself? QUICK_EDIT
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