Question about Harvester timing

Dutchygamer · Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:51 pm Post subject: Question about Harvester timing

Been doing some research for OpenRA's TS mod, related to eco things. One of the things here is the speed at which Harvester load / unload.
As you may know, these can be changed by a set of tags normally not used in rules.ini. According to ModEnc, these are the following with their default values:

Code:

HarvesterDumpRate = 0.016
HarvesterLoadRate = 2

Note: all here is done with a reduced Harvester storage of 10 instead of the default 28 for easier math. My testing was done at Fast / 30 FPS because this is the default OpenRA speed.

I gave a try at figuring the HarvesterDumpRate out first. I quickly get stuck at the math here. The WW comments say time is calculated in minutes. 0.016 minutes gives me 0.96 seconds. According to this, a Harvester full with 10 bails should take 9.6 seconds to unload (10*0.96s). However, testing ingame I keep getting roughly 5.5s of unload time. I can't figure out how 10 bails and the 0.016 value results into 5.5 seconds.

Similarly, the HarvesterLoadRate is a rather generic value of 2. Now obviously this can't be minutes cause a Harvester never spends half an hour in a field before returning to a refinery (if it was per bail), nor does it spend 2 minutes to harvest until full (if it was for a full load). From TI's rules I have learned that this value cannot be lower then 1 or else it will never harvest at all. I assume this value was revealed by trial and error.

My question now is: how are the values for HarvesterDumpRate and HarvesterLoadRate read ingame (as in: converted to a period of time).

If this is already answered before, or must be in the Research Center, link / move it.

^Rampastein · Rampastring **Joined**: 11 Oct 2008 **Location**: Gensokyo

Have you taken the ingame FPS into account? For WW, 1 minute in game time is 1 minute in real life at 15 FPS. When running at 30 FPS, you're basically cutting the unload time in half.

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Dutchygamer · Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:50 pm Post subject:

^Rampastein wrote:

Have you taken the ingame FPS into account? For WW, 1 minute in game time is 1 minute in real life at 15 FPS. When running at 30 FPS, you're basically cutting the unload time in half.

That might explain a lot. So, the math of the unloading is correct then?

^Rampastein · Rampastring **Joined**: 11 Oct 2008 **Location**: Gensokyo

I don't know. You could test it at 15 FPS #Tongue

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Matthias M. · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:34 am Post subject:

For OpenRA the answer is easy: https://github.com/OpenRA/OpenRA/wiki/Traits#harvester UnloadTicksPerBale with one tick lasting 40 miliseconds in the normal speed. When setting up the Tiberian Sun harvester I probably took values from our RA or TD mod to fill the gaps. I guess it needs tweaking to match the original pacing.

Dutchygamer · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:14 pm Post subject:

I know that Matthias. It's just that I need to figure out what the TS values are in the time units OpenRA uses. Nolt and I already have an approximate of how it was in TS, but it still 'feels' too fast at times, hence we want to know the exact values TS used.