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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G-E wrote:
We've already established America is guilty of all the sins of what the Nazis are accused of, including genocide,


Not in the same way, or nearly as systematic. There's a difference between exterminating native American settlements one at a time over the course of many years as part of a large land grab, and rounding up at least a few million Jews, imprisoning them, and killing them, while many others endured torture and hard labor JUST because they're Jews. Very big difference.

G-E wrote:
slavery, torture, wars of aggression,


Granted. Next.

G-E wrote:
annexing territory from other sovereign nations


Uh, no. We didn't invade and annex over half of frigging Europe. Germany did. What did we invade? Less than one whole country, though with an admittedly large land mass. Again, there's a difference.

G-E wrote:
If we can agree to that, then we have no right to vilify the Nazis while celebrating the Americans for defeating them right? Likewise we will all agree that the Stalin era Soviet Union was also a terrible thing, guilty of perhaps even more than that.


So what makes you think that because we don't get a free pass on what we did, that Germany does? Because of your "evidence"?

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However, none of these other great villains were forced to pay reparations to a small group of people, for any alleged genocide during the war, and no other group besides the Jews were the beneficiary of such reparations.


There you go again, "alleged genocide". Your assertion was worthy of a logical reply until that point. Again, piss off.

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So yea, this isn't about absolving any horrific acts during the war, all sides are equally guilty on that front, we shouldn't be inventing crimes though. Nor should we allow any group to spin a narrative that only benefits that group, especially when they are such a small group, that already benefited greatly from before and during the war.


It's not okay for other people to "spin a narrative" and "inventing crimes", even when they're not, but it's okay for you to do it? Do you work for Fox News? Because you're sounding like it again. You're the one making shit up. You're the one pretending gas chambers didn't exist for the purpose of mass murder. You're the one that didn't watch FQ's videos because they were obviously against your BS. You've once again piled all of the evidence against you in a closet and barely managed to get it shut, and because it's in that closet where you can't see it, it doesn't exist and therefore you think you're right. Go spread your bullshit somewhere else. It should say something that Banshee of all people used the word "retarded" in a reply to you. Do you see how far you're getting here? Do you see the result of your circular logic? Your topic is dying and it's your own damn fault.

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PS. I heard Obama just refused to apologize for those nukes btw...


He's made a lot of decisions about shit having nothing to do with him. Why do you even care about that?

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I want you all to answer me a question, answer anyway you like, just don't use it as a venue to attack or rebut please....

If tomorrow, you found out with 100% certainty, that there was in fact no holocaust, no extermination program at all, how would you feel?

How would you feel about having been lied to for 70yrs?

How would you feel about the people who propagated those lies?

How would you feel about the illegal state of Israel currently committing crimes against humanity?


That's like asking "How would you feel if tomorrow you learned Earth is just reality TV for aliens?". Nobody's going to even think about answering that question because of how stupid the premise is behind it. But you wouldn't know anything about being lied to, because apparently you get to choose who's lying to who. Go ahead, Emperor of Assholes, herd the government sheep you'd love to enlighten toward the wolves to wake them up and prove that what you decide makes a difference. Oh wait, nobody wants to take you seriously anymore because you're a Nazi sympathizer that wants us to think the same shit people like you have been trying to get us to think since the 70s, that the Jews run our lives and only care about world domination, and that anyone that commits crimes against them is innocent because they were doing the world a favor.

I would repeat what's in my sig, but there was never anything sane about this discussion to begin with. In short, you have failed and you have nothing left to do or say to help your case. Now get out.
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please SM enough with the stupid, it hurts, it huuurrrtts.

I used legal terms, and legal definitions, and legal precedent in my argument, but you've already admitted you don't care about law, or logic, or even sanity, so you piss off. Your responses are like dead fish in the harbour, they smell, and they don't mean anything.

I will clarify one point for you: intent is the difference between murder and manslaughter, and responsibility is the difference between wrongful death and negligence. Mull that over six million times.

The perennial 6 million Jew hoax: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrqYPE5lSbU
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I used legal terms, and legal definitions, and legal precedent in my argument,


No, you borrowed tinfoil hat bullshit from other people dumber than you. Again, you don't get to pretend you have the high ground when you're dancing and pissing on the graves of everyone the Nazis slaughtered, you ballsack.

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but you've already admitted you don't care about law, or logic, or even sanity, so you piss off.


No, I didn't. Oh, and you indirectly admitted to being a Jew hater on the previous page, you just didn't want to say it plainly because you didn't think it was relevant. There's a LOT of relevance there. It only takes a plain admission for this farce to stop, but you don't want it to stop. You just want to keep stirring the pot like a demented troll.

G-E wrote:
I will clarify one point for you: intent is the difference between murder and manslaughter, and responsibility is the difference between wrongful death and negligence. Mull that over six million times.

The perennial 6 million Jew hoax: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrqYPE5lSbU


So you mean to start from scratch again. Haven't you realized yet that you're like a goddamn child with an Etch-A-Sketch that keeps drawing the wrong thing, being told it's wrong, shaking it clean, re-drawing the same frigging wrong thing AGAIN, being told it's still wrong, and repeating that until someone either takes away your Etch-A-Sketch or gives you a good smack?

Go ahead. See how long it'll take before your Etch-A-Sketch is taken away. See how many more people you'll piss off with your deafening ignorance and stupidity along the way. It's just a testament to only a small part of what's wrong with the world. Or, you know, just plain piss off since you thought you could "educate" people here, and you still haven't realized that what you're doing isn't working, and you STILL haven't figured out why (or bothered to watch FQ's embedded videos). Go to /pol/ or Reddit or something and see if you get different results. I'll wait.
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Banshee, don't be an idiot, Passover has nothing to do with slavery. They are celebrating some mythical "escape" from Egypt by way of bringing plagues on Egypt, because they are a vengeful people with a vengeful god.

What you said is almost as ridiculous as me saying Easter is the celebration of chocolate eggs.


I am not being an idiot at all. You are the one who simply does not know shit about the jewish religion at all. It doesn't matter if the exodus story is full of fantasy in it. It is still a tale of a people escaping from slavery, getting their freedom. And this is what is celebrated.

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am not being an idiot at all. You are the one who simply does not know shit about the jewish religion at all. It doesn't matter if the exodus story is full of fantasy in it. It is still a tale of a people escaping from slavery, getting their freedom. And this is what is celebrated.

They also celebrate Purim, which in theory is another event where Jews were saved from the Persians who they say were going to exterminate them. But if you dig deeper it's really a celebration of the slaughter of Persians, and cannibalism...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/purim-2015-five-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-jewish-festival-10089403.html
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Throughout the year we wear a mask,“ Levy said.

"Our facial expressions cover who we really are, our society covers who we really are. On Purim we're trying to break that. You put on the mask and the inner self is able to explode,” he explained.

Remember that ^
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They also celebrate Purim, which in theory is another event where Jews were saved from the Persians who they say were going to exterminate them. But if you dig deeper it's really a celebration of the slaughter of Persians, and cannibalism...


Nope. They celebrate their survival, genius. None of these monotheist religions endorses cannibalism in any way, shape or mean.

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Throughout the year we wear a mask,“ Levy said.

"Our facial expressions cover who we really are, our society covers who we really are. On Purim we're trying to break that. You put on the mask and the inner self is able to explode,” he explained.

Remember that ^


These is the same thing that is done in carnival festivals. People wear masks, weird customs pretending to be something they are not. And so what? It is not a big deal.

What did you understand of it?

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They also celebrate Purim, which in theory is another event where Jews were saved from the Persians who they say were going to exterminate them. But if you dig deeper it's really a celebration of the slaughter of Persians, and cannibalism...

Nope. They celebrate their survival, genius. None of these monotheist religions endorses cannibalism in any way, shape or mean.

Here you are assuming again. The little cakes they eat in the Purim festival symbolize the cut-off ears and beaten flesh of their enemies. You might think this is symbolic, like eating your rice cracker as the "body of christ", but this is besides the point, they are celebrating the death and disrespect of their enemies.

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Throughout the year we wear a mask,“ Levy said.

"Our facial expressions cover who we really are, our society covers who we really are. On Purim we're trying to break that. You put on the mask and the inner self is able to explode,” he explained.

Remember that ^

These is the same thing that is done in carnival festivals. People wear masks, weird customs pretending to be something they are not. And so what? It is not a big deal.

What did you understand of it?

You missed the point, the quote doesn't say they are pretending on THAT day, they are pretending on ALL THE DAYS except that one, when they let their real inner Jew out to play. Because as I keep telling you, the Jews don't tell us goyim the truth, it is written in their damned Talmud not to!

So don't tell me they don't support slavery just because they have a festival auspiciously about their own emancipation.

They have been kicked out of empire after empire, country after country, it's time you really start figuring out why that is.
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did not miss the point of Purim. What I'm explaining is that Purim is the origin of the christian Carnival. They celebrate it in a similar way that carnival  is celebrated, but the theme of their fantasies is always the same (Esther and her story on saving the hebrews).

And regarding your point, of course I won't take it seriously. You still do not understand that Torah is the most sacred book for jews. It takes precedence over all other books, including any Talmud.

So, no. I am not assuming anything wrong about Purim. The 10 commandments are the most important part of the Torah. One of the commandments says 'Don't kill'. So, they will certainly not celebrate death, neither cannibalism. The story about their exodus is in the Torah is there exactly as a lesson to explain how slavery is wrong and must not be recreated.

And you do not understand Talmuds either and you have no idea of what is it about. First because you try to read it from source who are not willing to explain it in a proper way. If you want to know what is it about, you need to take a look at it from a jewish source, because if they are interested that other jews get acquainted with it, they will release it and translate it in a proper way. There is no reason to hide it. (I.e.: in that source, the word that your "friends" translate as 'goy' is actually translated as 'heathen', which means that they are just not monotheists.

Talmud is a set of documents written by several rabbis where they discuss how they interpret the Torah and they document how the hebrew population followed the religion at that time. While there are rabbis with radical and wrong ideas about the Torah, they are usually countered by other rabbis who use what they understand of the Torah to show that they are wrong. So, it is very easy to take sentences out of the context there.

Jews do not follow any Talmud. They follow the Torah. They may consult the Talmud as a reference to try to recreate the conditions of the way of life that the hebrew population had some milleniums ago or read the opinions of the old rabbis in order to clarify some ideas that could not be clear in the Torah (from their point of view).  It works in the same way than books written by priests and bishops nowadays that you may find in the Vatican library. They are not sacred and they are not followed, but they have opinions from people who studied the religion.


So, stop with your bull crap for once and don't go on discussing a religion that you do not understand, you do not want to understand and just want to difamate it because the owners of a certain bank charged the expenses of the world war I to Germany (in a contract that Germany has accepted in first place and took the risks) and used their influence as an attempt to create a state out of nowhere to create a market for them. Do you live in Germany? Do you live in Israel? What the ztype are you doing? What the ztype is in your mind? What is your problem?

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then you do not understand Judaism, not as exists today, or as originally organized. Judaism is Pharisaism, the Rabbi are the Pharisees of the Bible. They tell the followers what to believe and how to interpret the "word of god". The book has no meaning without the Rabbi, entirely opposite to what Christianity asserts.

Therefore Jews do not follow the Torah, they follow the Rabbi, who uses the Torah as inspiration for their cultural constructs and rules. To suggest otherwise is inaccurate, and foolish, like believing Wikipedia.

What you refer to regarding the Torah Jews is now called ultra-orthodox, because 96% have moved to Talmudic Judaism. Which as I have to drum into your head is NOT some documents written by several Rabbis. The Talmud is the living and breathing culture of Jews, it was born of the oral traditions and never stopped, they have no "new testament" just more mental contortions justifying their exceptionalist ideologies. It teaches logical ambiguity, racism, tribalism, business, exploitation, subversion.

A host of nasty things written in the Talmud has made it the target of Popes and Kings alike. You're Christian, don't you believe the Pope when he says the Talmud is evil?

Why do you think I'm the odd-man-out for agreeing with them? Remember I'm the atheist, I'm the one who should be skeptical of the Pope...
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then you do not understand Judaism, not as exists today, or as originally organized. Judaism is Pharisaism, the Rabbi are the Pharisees of the Bible. They tell the followers what to believe and how to interpret the "word of god". The book has no meaning without the Rabbi, entirely opposite to what Christianity asserts.

Therefore Jews do not follow the Torah, they follow the Rabbi, who uses the Torah as inspiration for their cultural constructs and rules. To suggest otherwise is inaccurate, and foolish, like believing Wikipedia.

What you refer to regarding the Torah Jews is now called ultra-orthodox, because 96% have moved to Talmudic Judaism. Which as I have to drum into your head is NOT some documents written by several Rabbis. The Talmud is the living and breathing culture of Jews, it was born of the oral traditions and never stopped, they have no "new testament" just more mental contortions justifying their exceptionalist ideologies. It teaches logical ambiguity, racism, tribalism, business, exploitation, subversion.

A host of nasty things written in the Talmud has made it the target of Popes and Kings alike. You're Christian, don't you believe the Pope when he says the Talmud is evil?

Why do you think I'm the odd-man-out for agreeing with them? Remember I'm the atheist, I'm the one who should be skeptical of the Pope...


With all due respect, you have some very serious stinky shit in your brain. Your vision of Judaism is completely twisted. What you said is not Judaism at all. Zero Judaism. I'm deeply serious about it. I've seen with my own eyes what is it. I know a lot of jewish people and I've been to several synagogues from orthodox to liberals. And I've celebrated some of these festivities with them and listened to a bunch of random rabbi. None of them promoted or endorsed the things you said or prioritized any other book over the Torah. So, no, it is not some crazy Wikipedia fantasy. It is the ztyping reality, Einstein. But I guess that all my attempts to explain what is really Judaism is a complete waste of my time, since you are entirely brainwashed by crazy neo nazi motherfuckers.

And, by the way: if, for some reason, the Pope says that the Talmud is evil, I may respect his opinion, but I'll investigate it on my own before take my conclusions. I do not need blindly agree with all ideas from any religion or its leaders.

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We're already way off topic here, but seems there's no way we're going to agree on this point, since even when I use Jewish sources to back up my thesis on it, you still reject it. No matter, the structure of their culture it is only tangentially related to the burning of the books, and to the holocaust narrative. Just keep in mind it wasn't the Torah that was burnt.

We got off topic because Jews were rounded up and expelled from so many countries throughout history, that the holocaust narrative stands out as an erratum. There is precedent for Jews complaining about the fate of "6 million Jews" in the presses dating back to before WWI, but there is no precedent for extermination. Rather it is their sacred book that was exterminated, as the source of the ideology. A misguided attempt to kill a collection of ideologies perhaps, but an honest one.

Does anyone then remember the Nazi book burnings?
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Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels joined the students at the bonfire and declared: "The era of extreme Jewish intellectualism is now at an end...The future German man will not just be a man of books, but a man of character. It is to this end that we want to educate you. As a young person, to already have the courage to face the pitiless glare, to overcome the fear of death, and to regain respect for death – this is the task of this young generation. And thus you do well in this midnight hour to commit to the flames the evil spirit of the past. This is a strong, great and symbolic deed – a deed which should document the following for the world to know – Here the intellectual foundation of the November [Democratic] Republic is sinking to the ground, but from this wreckage the phoenix of a new spirit will triumphantly rise..."
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From my standpoint, while repeating the misguided attempt to kill written ideas, it is entirely consistent with what other mayors, state leaders, and even Popes had done many times before.
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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since even when I use Jewish sources to back up my thesis on it


Nope, you did not. A picture with plate mentioning the Talmud with hebrew and italian words doesn't mean anything at all.

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This is a farce at this point. The lack of intelligence is baffling.

This is all I have left to say:

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is this not crapped yet?

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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since even when I use Jewish sources to back up my thesis on it

Nope, you did not. A picture with plate mentioning the Talmud with hebrew and italian words doesn't mean anything at all.

I mean the fact that Judaism is Pharisaism, or Rabbinic Judaism. The Rabbi students don't study the Torah, they study the Talmud, they are studying the Rabbi that came before them, and their particular twist on the Torah.

The rule of thumb is they study 1 page of the Talmud per day, and at 10000 pages this takes about 7 years.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is not a proof. It is a creation of your twisted mind. Rabbi students studies both Torah and some Talmuds. But they do prioritize the Torah.

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http://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/TalmudPage.html

See the tiny box of text in the middle? That is the Torah within the Talmud. They study the Talmud because that is where the "wisdom of the Rabbi" is. The next ring of text is the Mishnah you know about. The rest is further editorializing and digressing which makes it the actual Talmud. Then you have more notes and clarifications added around that, sometime around the middle ages.

Thus 3/4 of the text is NOT the Torah.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tiny box you've mentioned is just a text about the Torah. So, it is probably how a random rabbi interprets some of the sections of the Torah. It's not the Torah at all. It doesn't replace the Torah either.

Anyway, it doesn't just my point on the Torah being the most important book and studied by the rabbis. If you go to synagogues on fridays, in the cerimony, the rabbi will always talk about something related to part of the Torah related to that specific week (in the jewish calendar). If you go to a Bar Mitzvah, the creature who is doing the Bar (or Bat, if it is woman) Mitzvah must read that part of the text for the congregation. I have friends who did Bar Mitzvah and they said that the hardest code that they had to memorize was this piece of text, because the hebrew vowels are not shown in the Torah, so memorizing it is the only option for people who doesn't know hebrew very well. Talmuds are not read for the congregation on any cerimony there. They are just mentioned if it helps the discurse of the rabbi in some way, depending on his (her*) intentions.





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What they do on the weekend is the public portion, sermons don't define the basis of the religion or the religious reasoning, which defines their cultural practices.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/talmud_&_mishna.html

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The Oral Law is a legal commentary on the Torah, explaining how its commandments are to be carried out. Common sense suggests that some sort of oral tradition was always needed to accompany the Written Law, because the Torah alone, even with its 613 commandments, is an insufficient guide to Jewish life.

The oral traditions were the basis of Judaism originally.

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Finally, an Oral Law was needed to mitigate certain categorical Torah laws that would have caused grave problems if carried out literally. The Written Law, for example, demands an "eye for an eye" (Exodus 21:24). Did this imply that if one person accidentally blinded another, he should be blinded in return? That seems to be the Torah's wish. But the Oral Law explains that the verse must be understood as requiring monetary compensation: the value of an eye is what must be paid.

This is basically a roundabout way of saying the Rabbis control the oral discussion, the laws, the culture. They are the keepers of the flame as it were.

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In the Mishna, the name for the sixty-three tractates in which Rabbi Judah set down the Oral Law, Jewish law is systematically codified, unlike in the Torah.

The first attempt to rationalize on paper the disparate teachings and points of view of those oral traditions, which as you can imagine were many and diverse. Or another way of saying it, some was off-the-deep-end crazy, and some very moderate, and they had to blend it in a way that represented the diaspora, which also required revisions.

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The Babylon edition was far more extensive than its Palestinian counterpart, so that the Babylonian Talmud (Talmud Bavli) became the most authoritative compilation of the Oral Law. When people speak of studying "the Talmud," they almost invariably mean the Bavli rather than the Yerushalmi.

The Jerusalem version was small and fairly traditional, having been primarily sourced from the traditional homelands of the Jews, like Yemen, Egypt, Palestine, Assyria etc. The Babylonian Talmud was created from the diaspora that set up shop in Babylon and further north, and while Babylon was a major trading hub, it was also a hedonist sanctuary where all manner of immorality and debauchery was legal.

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In addition to extensive legal discussions (in Hebrew, halakha), the rabbis incorporated into the Talmud guidance on ethical matters, medical advice, historical information, and folklore, which together are known as aggadata.

Thus the Babylonian Talmud reflected the opinions of Rabbi living there, who had many opinions on things like pedophilia, slavery, conquest, trade, business, etc. It's all in there...

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Among religious Jews, talmudic scholars are regarded with the same awe and respect with which secular society regards Nobel laureates.

Because the Talmudic scholar, ie. Rabbi, has supplanted the word of god, and the most revered Rabbi, is the Rabbi who studied all the other Rabbi...

The Torah is like the original post in this thread, it says something vague and simple, the Mishna+Talmud are the hundreds of replies making up the discussion afterwards, which steered the conversation away from the core principles with ethical and historical digression.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's some reading material regarding the Jewish war on Christianity... http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8213.html

Not that I expect anyone here to read books Smile

Anyway the point is the treatment of Jews throughout Europe's history is a reaction to their culture and general belligerence. And it is critical to understand this cultural war to understand properly what the Nazis did and did not do.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What they do on the weekend is the public portion, sermons don't define the basis of the religion or the religious reasoning, which defines their cultural practices.


You are correct when you say that sermons don't define the basis of the religion. But the correctness stops here. What defines the basis of the religion is the Torah and its 613 commandments.

From there on, you have to remind that, while that source is a jewish source, it does not represents the jewish community as a whole or its majority.

The source is correct in some terms such as the Talmuds being written in order to fill some gaps from the Torah. It is also correct to say that it is based in the 'Oral laws' followed by those respective communities.  And let's remind that these Oral Laws are still based on the Torah.

And that it is the interpretation that some of these rabbis had of their religion.

But you can never say that it replaces the Torah as the most important book from the jewish religion in any sense. The jewish religion is over 5770 years old. Those Talmuds are recent events in the jewish history and they were never unanymous for all jewish followers eithers, regardless if they are orthodox or not. The reason is quite simple here: they are based on Oral Laws that, whose transmission is bound into the communication rules, which assures you that there will always be an error inside these transmissions: in short, the message that the receptor receives (understands) is different from the one that was transmitted (different from the real intention from the one who transmitted the message).  Different communities had different interpretations of the religion.

Another thing that must be taken into account is that new discoveries happens and society changes as time passes. So, the way these Talmuds were documented reflects these changes in their society and how these rabbis used their knowledge of the Torah to adapt it to their rules. These were never unanymous nor followed by the vast majority of jews around the world.

If a 'jewish follower' replaces the Torah with one of these Talmuds, they are simply following another religion that might be similar to the jewish religion in some sense.

In short, a real jew must follow the Torah and use other books for consultation only, remembering that the Torah takes priority over all others. In the same way, the Bible takes priority over all other references for christians and the Koran takes priority for muslims.

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Ok let me turn this argument on Christianity, is it not based almost entirely on the NEW testament?

Your argument about the Torah is similar to saying the OLD testament is Christianity, and the NEW testament is some guy talking to his buddies.

Did not Jesus basically say they're all fools for following the Pharisees (who were also the money-changers remember), and it's time for some equality and compassion? Which ultimately manifests in a sacrifice for prenatal sin and some other hokey nonsense...

And by invalidating Pharisaism, does Jesus not effectively denounce the entire OLD testament?
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Did not Jesus basically say they're all fools for following the Pharisees (who were also the money-changers remember),


Nope, Jesus did not say that. But his followers had different values and ideas, which is why the christians replaced the Torah with the Bible. But the Torah is still studied by many christians nowadays.

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Ok but that doesn't answer my question, what is Christianity based on the NEW or OLD testament?

We could talk about the Born-again movement in the USA as an attempt by the Jewish lobbies working with the evangelists to bring OLD testament thinking into prominence over NEW testament thinking, thereby turning their faith into a sycophantic worship of Israel and the Jews... but that's another discussion Smile
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyway the point is the treatment of Jews throughout Europe's history is a reaction to their culture and general belligerence. And it is critical to understand this cultural war to understand properly what the Nazis did and did not do.


No, you're not understanding that the Nazis didn't just go after Jews, though did reserve especially harsh treatments for them. The Nazis wanted the world racially pure. Stop trying to give them a goddamn pass on this. It's sickening.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ok but that doesn't answer my question, what is Christianity based on the NEW or OLD testament?

We could talk about the Born-again movement in the USA as an attempt by the Jewish lobbies working with the evangelists to bring OLD testament thinking into prominence over NEW testament thinking, thereby turning their faith into a sycophantic worship of Israel and the Jews... but that's another discussion Smile


It did answer your question. Christianity is based on the NEW testament, because they have replaced the OLD testament with the new one.

But the jews did not replace the Torah with a specific Talmud book. Judaism is still purely based on the Torah. If someone who claims to be a jew has discarded the Torah, this person is following a different religion.

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Ok so we agree, Christianity has superseded the OLD testament.... does that not also agree with my statement that Christianity rejects Pharisaism by rejecting the OLD testament?

BUT Christians haven't _fully_ discarded the OLD testament, they just generally relegate it to a work of fiction who's main purpose is emotional instead of historical. This is how a few sects have managed to confuse the issue to their followers in order to support Jews.

The Jews have relegated the Torah to being the source of their commandments or customs, but the Talmud is the encyclopedia that actually elaborates on all the points, defines the points and their context, including adding numerous pro/con discussions etc. Remember without the Rabbi the Torah is meaningless, and the Talmud is a bunch of Rabbis squashed onto paper. This is the correct way of viewing the Talmud.

PS. I checked my 1962 Encyclopedia Brittanica and it doesn't mention the holocaust; the concentration camp section has a footnote at the end which spins the same yarn based on the infamous Hoss confession, but it also mentions these were labour camps, and people were taken there to work...  because anyone who disagrees can't explain why Nazis would ship prisoners from as far away as Greece just to be killed.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah, the new testament is a continuation of the old testament some 400 years later.

Seriously G-E where are you getting these stupid Ideas, next you'll try to tell us Hitler is still alive on the moon.

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Are you one of those crazies that thinks the Earth is 6000yrs old and the Bible timeline somehow matters?
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Nope, I just googled it. #Tongue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament

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The Talmud was primarily constructed between 400-600AD from the continuing discussions (oral traditions) as well, but unlike the new testament, it wasn't based on a specific period around a person. The Talmud therefore encompasses all the Jewish hatred towards the Christian heretics who dared to defy their ancestry, with special emphasis on the Jesus guy, and reflects their deep racist abhorrence of the Christian idea of welcoming everyone into the tent.

The Jews being vengeful people with a vengeful god (as evidenced even in the old testament of the Bible) were not one to take Christianity lying down. Most of the pagan sects of the region like the Zoro-Astroists were already being driven to extinction, so all their fury was directed at their splitters.

In the middle ages, there were many Rabbi who spoke out against Christians, and interpreted the Talmud to mean they should wage actual war against Christianity. Most Jews will tell you these were fringe elements, because they'd rather not admit it, but these were some of their prominent intellectual leaders. Many of the Talmud's terms can therefore be seen as codewords to modern Jewry, a tongue-in-cheek reference here, something ambiguously implied there, and so on.

When the Khazars were finally kicked westward by the Turkic Tatars which settled much of Ukraine (the same Tatars that sided with the Nazis against the Jewish-Communist hordes), they were moving into a Europe that had already gone through episodes of expelling the Sephardic Jews, many of whom had stuck with the Jerusalem Talmud. Which is why today, most of Europes Jewry is Khazarian, not related Israelite/Yemenite/Jebusite/etc.

The Khazarians had added their own cultural spin on the Babylonian Talmud, and were much more aggressive about rebuilding the core of their culture below the radar, so as not to be targeted so openly. It is this tribe that splintered all over the world, with a practice of marrying each Rabbi with the daughter of a successful merchant. Eventually this meant most shipping businesses were Jewish controlled or loyalist at the least, and much of the trading posts, were modeled on their success at creating Kiev from nothing, in the middle of nowhere, for similar purpose.

Jews had already perfected money-changing by that point, and gold-reserved banking (which quickly became fractional reserves as they tended to sell off what was deposited), which then lead to their takeover of so many monetary systems via the Rothschilds and others...

And there's soooooooo much more, but it's all connected.
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2016 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Methinks we've strayed a bit off topic here and this, in no way, has anything to do with what happened in the early part of the 1940s. But, at least we get to see the real reason why g-e wants to give the Nazis a pass.

I mean, it's not like it's not like people take things out of context or anything. That never happens. Why would anyone ever think that?
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Let me answer that briefly, because the mission statement of the first link is in itself a two-faced interpretation.

"Our philosophy asserts that every human being is created in the image of the Lord and the primacy of integrity and honesty in all dealings without exception. I strongly repudiate any assertions in the name of Judaism that do not represent and reflect this philosophy."

But if you actually understand the Talmud, it teaches primarily that Jews are the humans, everyone else is below that. Though I doubt you'll believe me since you probably didn't watch that video I told Banshee to watch a few posts up.
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2016 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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does that not also agree with my statement that Christianity rejects Pharisaism by rejecting the OLD testament?


Nope, for several reasons:

1) Christianism originally started as ramification of Judaism and eventually got its own differences. Many things of the old testament is taken into the new testament and are still followed by christians. So, the old testament was not rejected at all.

2) I don't think Pharisaism is an adequate word to describe Judaism at all. There was only a very small group of people who followed the Pharisees. It's like saying only those from saudi arabia are muslims and that islamism would be exactly what they promote there. In short, it is a terribly wrong way to generalize what you don't know about.


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BUT Christians haven't _fully_ discarded the OLD testament, they just generally relegate it to a work of fiction who's main purpose is emotional instead of historical. This is how a few sects have managed to confuse the issue to their followers in order to support Jews.


These sentences doesn't make any sense for me.


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The Jews have relegated the Torah to being the source of their commandments or customs, but the Talmud is the encyclopedia that actually elaborates on all the points, defines the points and their context, including adding numerous pro/con discussions etc. Remember without the Rabbi the Torah is meaningless, and the Talmud is a bunch of Rabbis squashed onto paper. This is the correct way of viewing the Talmud.


No, this is your twisted point of view that does not reflect Judaism.

It's like saying that the Code of Canon Law from the Vatican completely replaces the Bible for the catholics. No, it doesn't replace the Bible that at all. It may specify exactly what a catholic person is supposed to do, their rights and duties... but it is merely an interpretation of the Bible from the members of the Vatican for our era, in Vatican's context (point of view). It doesn't reflect the context of all catholic followers. This is why many people may ignore many of its points and still be considered catholic. And this is also one of the main reasons why it gets modified constantly. The Code of Canon Law is constantly changing (in the same way Talmuds did), but the changes are always supposed to be based on the Bible. The Bible is always the compass and it is always what will define the direction of these changes.


The relationship of Talmud and Torah works in the same way. Talmuds (yes, there are several different ones that may contain conflicting ideas) will always use the Torah as the compass for future updates. Unlike the Catholic community, the jewish community is not centralized and these Talmuds are based on the point of view from few rabbis that does not reflect nor contemplates the point of view of the vast majority of the jews in the world.


If you move to countries, their constitution will always have a set of rules that defines how the constitution will be written in the future. These rules takes precedence over others. I.e.: First Amendment of the USA constitution. If a deputy makes a law that violates it and it eventually gets approved (which is something that isn't supposed to happen), their organizations will eventually invalidate that law (rather through legal means or their legislators) because it can't override the First Amendment.


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The Talmud therefore encompasses all the Jewish hatred towards the Christian heretics who dared to defy their ancestry, with special emphasis on the Jesus guy, and reflects their deep racist abhorrence of the Christian idea of welcoming everyone into the tent.


Complete bullshit of someone who read a mistranslated version of the Babylonian Talmud. The presence of Jesus Christ in Talmuds and its nature is quite questionable and, if it happens, it is different from what you describe.

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The Jews being vengeful people with a vengeful god


They are not vengeful people. The religion does not promote vengeance and their God is exactly the same one from the christians and muslims. Surprised? It is the bloody truth.


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Most of the pagan sects of the region like the Zoro-Astroists were already being driven to extinction, so all their fury was directed at their splitters.


Also bullshit spreaded by neo-nazi anti-semitic people like you..


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In the middle ages, there were many Rabbi who spoke out against Christians, and interpreted the Talmud to mean they should wage actual war against Christianity. Most Jews will tell you these were fringe elements, because they'd rather not admit it, but these were some of their prominent intellectual leaders. Many of the Talmud's terms can therefore be seen as codewords to modern Jewry, a tongue-in-cheek reference here, something ambiguously implied there, and so on.


More bullshit. Of course that there were conflicts from some of the jews and catholics. Different kind of attacks came from both side, but certainly the worse one by far was the Inquisition.. and that wasn't done by jewish followers. In short: there is no saints in a war. Don't be a fool to choose a side to fight. Finally, it is worth mentioning that I have yet to see a single rabbi from any kind of synagogue that I've visited that endorses any kind of war with Catholics or followers of any other religion. I haven't seen a single one, from orthodox to liberals. It is not a something promoted by the jewish religion.

PS: I have not visited Israel and I currently have no plans to do it in a short, middle or long term.


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When the Khazars were finally kicked westward by the Turkic Tatars which settled much of Ukraine (the same Tatars that sided with the Nazis against the Jewish-Communist hordes), they were moving into a Europe that had already gone through episodes of expelling the Sephardic Jews, many of whom had stuck with the Jerusalem Talmud. Which is why today, most of Europes Jewry is Khazarian, not related Israelite/Yemenite/Jebusite/etc.


I've met a bunch of sephardic jews (many from the region you've mentioned that migrated to Brazil) and I have yet to know a single one who knows anything about Talmud or cares about it.


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The Khazarians had added their own cultural spin on the Babylonian Talmud, and were much more aggressive about rebuilding the core of their culture below the radar, so as not to be targeted so openly. It is this tribe that splintered all over the world, with a practice of marrying each Rabbi with the daughter of a successful merchant. Eventually this meant most shipping businesses were Jewish controlled or loyalist at the least, and much of the trading posts, were modeled on their success at creating Kiev from nothing, in the middle of nowhere, for similar purpose.


Another one of your fantasies. There were other reasons for jewish merchants to be successful, regardless if they were rabbis.

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Jews had already perfected money-changing by that point, and gold-reserved banking (which quickly became fractional reserves as they tended to sell off what was deposited), which then lead to their takeover of so many monetary systems via the Rothschilds and others...


This is not a jewish thing and it did not follow that religion. It is another bullshit from neo-nazi idiots that you believe so much and spread so much. Bankers from any religion do that.


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But if you actually understand the Talmud, it teaches primarily that Jews are the humans, everyone else is below that.


Another bullshit that goes against some of the 10 main commandments of the religion.

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... deny it all you like. Just because you haven't heard of something doesn't change it.

Maybe the Jews you know are indeed different, maybe they don't tell you the truth, I don't know.
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I'm even getting lazy to read these stuff. How can you even write? I can't understand people can speak as if they had studied on some topics for years. History and politics mostly. Also "true" and "false" are relative, you can't prove anything, especially in this format. why don't you discuss argue on a Politics forum.
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Jews, in general, are completely different from anything your wild imagination is conceiving about them. It's not just the ones I know.

Also, Menechem Begin's discourse was totally twisted in that image that you quote so much:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=8359.5%253Bwap2

The audio of the original discourse is available here (in hebrew). It was polemic because of this:

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The children of Israel will happily go to school and joyfully return home, just like the children in Washington, in Moscow, and in Peking, in Paris and in Rome, in Oslo, in Stockholm and in Copenhagen. The fate of... Jewish children has been different from all the children of the world throughout the generations. No more. We will defend our children. If the hand of any two-footed animal is raised against them, that hand will be cut off, and our children will grow up in joy in the homes of their parents.


The bold part of the text is related to terrorist palestines who killed israelis and it was polemic at the time.

The master race bullshit was added by third party. And even if he says such atrocity for whatever reasons, it is important to remind that under any circumstances he represents the Judaism, regardless of his job in the Israeli govern.

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There you go again, it was the Palestinian JEWS who terrorized the ARABS. They incited conflict to benefit from it, after already driving out millions. Then they launched opportunistic wars of aggression to take more land, most of which they gave back in Faustian deals to the embarrassed Arab leaders for their complicity over Palestine. Now they run an apartheid state which is illegally colonizing the territory they annexed.

Russia got sanctioned for "annexing" Crimea when they did no such thing, Israel gets a finger wagging for ACTUALLY annexing Arab territory.

You gotta unlearn the BS history you've been taught.
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I was talking about Menechem Begin's discourse, in first place, which you have completely misquoted. The quote in my post was what he said (instead of the atrocity that is in the picture you attached in your post prior to mine). Now, you've changed the topic entirely, with more BS, of course, since the situation in Israel is far more complex than that and, there are aggressions and radicals on both sides. There are no saints in a war.


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Coming from you, it means nothing. You don't know how to research historical facts. You only want to impose your "truth" which is not more than factoids that reinforces your blind hatred for the jewish religion, which is something that you don't really know about and don't wanna know about.

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Bitch, you dumb. But then, you're the one claiming that the j00s control the world.

I'd slap you on the first occasion I'd meet you.

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I was talking about Menechem Begin's discourse, in first place, which you have completely misquoted. The quote in my post was what he said (instead of the atrocity that is in the picture you attached in your post prior to mine). Now, you've changed the topic entirely, with more BS, of course, since the situation in Israel is far more complex than that and, there are aggressions and radicals on both sides. There are no saints in a war.

Palestine is occupied territory, it is a concentration camp with the Israeli military as the guards. They have no freedom, they have no rights except what Israel feels like giving them on that day. The Palestinian Arabs have every right to resist.

Suicide bombings and suicidal stabbings isn't considered an atrocity when you are fighting for your freedom. More to the point, they are not acts of terrorism, they are acts of desperation.

An Israeli "settlement" is an Israeli "colony", just like criticism of Jewish acts or Zionism is also not anti-semitic... don't let the word games fool you.

Deformat: are you actually arguing that Russia stole the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine?

Addendum: Banshee I just read the thread you linked, and it seems they are discussing nothing in particular, just how it's probably wrong... until the last post:
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The quote in question is attributed to Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset quoted in "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982 by Amnon Kapeliouk. Now one might think that this is just typical anti-semitic rhetoric quoted widely by hate groups until one realizes that Amnon Kapeliouk was a French Jew and would have no reason to denigrate the Israeli Prime Minister.

So, having read that, I don't feel anything was concluded, but that also means your presumption of Begin being mis-quoted is also not proven. Which is like much of the evidence that's been slung my way...
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G-E wrote:
Let me answer that briefly, because the mission statement of the first link is in itself a two-faced interpretation.

"Our philosophy asserts that every human being is created in the image of the Lord and the primacy of integrity and honesty in all dealings without exception. I strongly repudiate any assertions in the name of Judaism that do not represent and reflect this philosophy."

But if you actually understand the Talmud, it teaches primarily that Jews are the humans, everyone else is below that. Though I doubt you'll believe me since you probably didn't watch that video I told Banshee to watch a few posts up.

I mean, I was really trying to illustrate another, more salient point... which is that you can find anything to agree with your point of view. However, it doesn't make it right. It's just a logical fallacy, which you've resigned yourself to the entire time: confirmation bias. You've also employed, numerous times at that, another fallacy: faulty comparison. You also keep strawmanning Jewish people. Really, I can't take anything you say seriously. In all seriousness, why should anyone?
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No single human on planet Earth can take a referendum with 97% positive answer as a remotely serious referendum.

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Addendum: Banshee I just read the thread you linked, and it seems they are discussing nothing in particular, just how it's probably wrong... until the last post:
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The quote in question is attributed to Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset quoted in "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982 by Amnon Kapeliouk. Now one might think that this is just typical anti-semitic rhetoric quoted widely by hate groups until one realizes that Amnon Kapeliouk was a French Jew and would have no reason to denigrate the Israeli Prime Minister.

So, having read that, I don't feel anything was concluded, but that also means your presumption of Begin being mis-quoted is also not proven. Which is like much of the evidence that's been slung my way...


You missed a important detail when reading these posts. Amnon Kapeliouk's post was also messed up when he reported about "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982. And it is clearly stated in blue there:


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Internet hate sites, as well as Fisk, attribute the derogation of Palestnians as “two-legged beasts” to former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin. The source generally given is:

   Menachem Begin, as quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts,"New Statesman, June 25, 1982

Indeed, the radical French-Israeli journalist, Amnon Kapeliouk, did attribute such a quote to Begin in his New Statesman article criticizing Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. The author posited:

   For this reason the government has gone to extraordinary lengths to dehumanise the Palestinians. Begin described them in a speech in the Knesset as "beasts walking on two legs".

However, further investigation by CAMERA reveals that the actual speech upon which Kapeliouk based his quote, as well as news reports at the time demonstrate that the journalist distorted the quote, giving it a completely different tone and meaning. Begin was talking, not about "the Palestinians" but about terrorists who target children within Israel... Kapeliouk neither recanted nor apologized for his deception....



Regarding everything else you said, I'm with FurryQueen. You shouldn't be taken seriously at all. The way you portrait the situation in Israel is far from the reality, even if the reality is far from a heaven.

By the way, I'm very seriously considering to permanently banning you for one of the sentences you posted above:

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Suicide bombings and suicidal stabbings isn't considered an atrocity when you are fighting for your freedom. More to the point, they are not acts of terrorism, they are acts of desperation.


No, sir. This is terrorism, regardless of the enemy. And PPM is hosted in Germany, with a domain in USA and a webmaster in Brazil. Supporting terrorism is a crime at all these countries and must not be tolerated here under any circumstance. Back down your instance on that or consider yourself banned. I've been pretty nice with freedom of speech here, but we have limits. This place is not a school of terrorists.

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I mean, I was really trying to illustrate another, more salient point... which is that you can find anything to agree with your point of view. However, it doesn't make it right. It's just a logical fallacy, which you've resigned yourself to the entire time: confirmation bias. You've also employed, numerous times at that, another fallacy: faulty comparison. You also keep strawmanning Jewish people. Really, I can't take anything you say seriously. In all seriousness, why should anyone?

What if, what I'm really trying to do, is say the things no one else openly says, so you get to compare and contrast it?

I'm not strawmanning anyone, I'm merely pointing out their connection and influence, because everyone seems to stay away from that topic. Ask yourself, why would I have to repeat the connections you already know? Wouldn't I be wasting my time saying clouds float in the blue sky?

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No single human on planet Earth can take a referendum with 97% positive answer as a remotely serious referendum.

Yet we should believe the election that yields 50.1% to the victor? hahahahah

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No, sir. This is terrorism, regardless of the enemy. And PPM is hosted in Germany, with a domain in USA and a webmaster in Brazil. Supporting terrorism is a crime at all these countries and must not be tolerated here under any circumstance. Back down your instance on that or consider yourself banned. I've been pretty nice with freedom of speech here, but we have limits. This place is not a school of terrorists.

Suicide bombers driving vehicle-laden explosives like ISIS does in Syria is indeed terrorism, based on some twisted ideology of righteous war, I fully agree with you. ISIS fighters volunteered for their job.

This is entirely different from when a Palestinian that has no prospects for freedom, self-determination, good education, or economic advancement decides they have nothing to live for, and wants to hurt the people that made life that way.

Suicide is an act of desperation, it is the ultimate cry for help. I DO NOT CONDONE TERRORISM.
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I don't even know why I have to spell this out for you, I'm using the law and Geneva Conventions to define what any given activity should be classed as, I am in no way suggesting anyone do anything.

I'm not recommending people eat apples, throw apples, make fun of apples, or kill people. I am the one that's against war, against killing, against warmongering, against cultural destruction, against the bastardization of language etc.

Most of you seem to be all gung-ho to bomb places you know nothing about for reasons that aren't even clear, let alone reasons that are justified by international law. And most of you accuse me of hate or other nonsense for opposing your view.

If you think I'm wrong, call me out please, let's debate the facts, using logic, precedent, psychology, law etc.

If you just don't like where the logic takes us, or dislike my point of view, and want to plug your ears to dissenting opinions, that problem is all in your head.
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What if, what I'm really trying to do, is say the things no one else openly says, so you get to compare and contrast it?

If that was actually the case, you wouldn't push so hard that you're always right and we're wrong because we didn't find some non-existent oracle. You completely ignore everything people say that's contrary to your preconceived notions. The problem with your argument is that it's not from a point of contention or for examining the evidence, it's from a position of bias and hate. You see connections where they are not. I've reviewed the evidence, I've looked it over, seen both sides... I just tend to follow the side of logic, rather than being an unabashed contrarion for the sake of being one. I study a lot of history. I try to understand as much as I can before I formulate my own beliefs. I'm sure you did too, but often times, they're tinged with paranoia and overly biased beliefs. Of course, this isn't to say I'm perfect. I'm not. Everyone has bias but I try to lift myself from it when it comes to examining history as much as I can. Yes, the top brass in the Nazi Regime were terrible people but the average soldier or the people? Some assholes existed, sure but all of them? Never. I've examined enough of WW2 to understand this quite well.

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I'm not strawmanning anyone, I'm merely pointing out their connection and influence, because everyone seems to stay away from that topic. Ask yourself, why would I have to repeat the connections you already know? Wouldn't I be wasting my time saying clouds float in the blue sky?

The problem with your assertion is that there's no real cause for it, unless you're trying to find one to place blame on someone for some event. The top echelon of Jewish people may have some sort of connection, but that's just a tiny, tiny part of all Jewish people. From what you keep trying to say, ALL Jewish people are involved in this "grand conspiracy." The idea of that alone is ridiculous and without any shred of merit whatsoever. This is really where you fail to provide anything credible or anything worth discussing seriously.
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If you go back and read through my mountainous threads, I regularly stated that not all Jewish people are part of some grand conspiracy, and I even mentioned several times that most Israelis are also victims of the same conspiracy.

I know you won't, but if you also re-read many of my statements, you will also see that my argument is primarily that the Jewish culture (as we know it today) is the source of many destructive ideologies. Banshee has trouble agreeing that Jewish identity politics and culture, isn't the same thing as Judaism, but that the Talmud affects all Jews, including secular ones, since it shapes their culture.

It's a nuance some people here just refuse to entertain, but I think it goes to the heart of WHY they spawned these ideologies, and why they've been kicked out of so many countries.

Just like Darwin's theory of evolution is based on the Judaic concept of chosenness or ethnic supremacy, because "survival of the fittest" is not how evolution works in most cases. Darwin was biased by Jewish intellectual culture, probably without even realizing it, and his postulation has influenced scores of followers of the theory, for generations. Like I said before, if fitness or supremacy is the only prerequisite for survival, you can't make a moral argument to save one group of people from a stronger group. Darwinism actually takes away the moral grounds to object to a holocaust...

And this is the other part of my thesis, in that many of these derivative ideologies, like Communism, Neo-conservatism, feminism etc, sound good, but at their very core are hypocritical nonsense. Either because they use contradictions to justify actions, or take a hypocritical stance on the fairness of it, since someone almost always benefits more than someone else.

Like Orwell damningly said in Animal farm, "All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others"... this is his observational satire on the same topic. It revolves around ethnic superiority, some innate right to be better than someone else, and therefore the right to take advantage of them. I highly recommend everyone read >> http://www.stentorian.com/animfarm.html

This might have applied in theory to the Nazis, with Hitler's master-race idea, but the Jews subscribed to this idea thousands of years ago! The Christians still kinda-sorta believe man is still above a beast, which is why some object to evolution, but again, the source of this is Judaism, they were first.

Which is why I say confidently, that since we haven't arrested the right people or purged our societies of these disastrous ideologies, we will have another World War, and another actual holocaust. There are powerful unseen hands driving us in that direction, and they have such a firm grip on the process, that even throwing anchors overboard will get someone fired or imprisoned.

It will happen again, because we are too stupid or unwilling to prevent it. We haven't learned a damn thing from history, because we accept the lies taught to us.
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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2016 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of talk but no substance... all smoke and no fire. You're so convinced you're right that you can't accept anything that is contrary to your opinion. You've been brainwashed into this. You don't have some grand knowledge the rest of us don't. You're living in delusional world, acting like this is real. The chance of it is fairly low. Either you're mentally ill or you're living in a cult. Hard to tell which.
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Banshee seems to think there were no Muslim Nazis by the snorting laughter he gave when I posted a photo. Does that make me a cultist?

I was attacked for explaining what Livingston meant, and specifically referred to the Transfer Agreement, which several of you disputed initially. Does that make me delusional?

I speak about modern European Jews being descended of Khazarians and other Turkic people in the Ukrainian basin, Volgin laughed it off as conspiracy theory. Was I mentally ill for not showing him Khazarian coins with the Star of David?

I think you need to re-examine where you point your fingers...
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