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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:32 pm    Post subject:  Neo-cons = Machiavellian takeover of liberty (Communism 3.0)
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http://mycatbirdseat.com/2013/06/the-machiavelian-threefold-game-of-the-neoconservatives/

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another foolish blind Jewish hate article based on complete non-sense.

If these Jewish "communists" were so much "communists" as the creature of the article claims, why is there no communism in Israel? And before you claim, Kibutz is not a communist thing. In Communism, all companies belong to the State and the salaries are distributed equally among the population and the govern decides your role in the society. Kibutz doesn't belong to the State. It doesn't force a person to practice a certain activity either. It doesn't enforce the participation of a person in their activities (you can freely leave a Kibutz whenever you desire, while communist States may determine the place where people will live). They are private companies that have a particular way to distribute its revenues among their staff, but it still works like a private company with no interference from the State.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No a kibbutz is an illegal settlement that has been given infrastructure similar to a military base, rudimentary but functional. Now don't you go saying it doesn't belong to "the state" because the "the state" and other aid groups directly fund the construction, and the Israeli govt has to provide the infrastructure hookup, since they control things like the roads and water.

I don't know why you think there is no tacit cooperation between settlers and the govt of Israel, it's well proven, and I rarely ever hear anyone even pretend it's not true. Do you need me to find you some links to read?

As for the "free will" aspect of the illegals Israeli aliens annexing the Palestinian land, you have to go back to their culture. Every Israeli has to attend what is effectively a Zionist school, then when they grow up, every Israeli has to take military service (or face jail), where they are further indoctrinated. By the time the average new Israeli adult gets to think for themselves, they realize Israel has no land to buy, because foreign Jewish oligarchs own it all, and their only real option is a settlement/colony, which they are paid to build.

Once in occupied Palestine, only Jewish Israelis are allowed to carry guns, anyone else caught with a gun is jailed. Furthermore, if a dispute arises between the illegal settlers and the natural born Palestinian neighbours, the IDF will send troops to intervene, which usually means telling the Palestinians to leave at gunpoint. Do you need diagrams or can you go research this?

I suggest visiting https://electronicintifada.net/ and http://www.truetorahjews.org/news to start...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My apartment has been given infrastructure by the State. It has power, water and sanitation. I have to pay to maintain that (so does these Kibbutz). And my apartment doesn't belong to the State. So, honestly, your point is flawed.

And yes, many kibbutz were used for colonization purposes (not all of them) and some of them are in illega places, according to UN. Not all of them.

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I don't know why you think there is no tacit cooperation between settlers and the govt of Israel, it's well proven, and I rarely ever hear anyone even pretend it's not true. Do you need me to find you some links to read?


I did not say that it has no tacit cooperation between settlers and the government of Israel. I said that they do not blindly obey the government. They are independent organizations that may cooperate with the govern if they are interested on it.

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Every Israeli has to attend what is effectively a Zionist school, then when they grow up, every Israeli has to take military service (or face jail), where they are further indoctrinated. By the time the average new Israeli adult gets to think for themselves, they realize Israel has no land to buy, because foreign Jewish oligarchs own it all, and their only real option is a settlement/colony, which they are paid to build.


Considering that 20% of the Israelis are arabs and many others are not jewish, the word "Every" at the start of your sentence is already wrong. There are several arab schools inside Israel. Regarding the military service, it is obligatory for most of the jewish people (I guess Haredim are exceptions, but not for a long time) and if they do not take it, they may face jail. Regarding lands to buy and the oligarchy stuff, I don't really know about it, so I prefer to not comment that part. But I won't be surprised at all if your ideas about it are very distorted too.


Nonetheless, my point in the previews post is that there is no communism in Israel and even Kibutz does not have communism at all. Your attempt to associate voluntary cooperation with the State with full submission to the State and being owned by the State fails completely, because they are different things.


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I suggest visiting https://electronicintifada.net/ and http://www.truetorahjews.org/news to start...


These are terrible sources if you want to understand both sides of this conflict. It is clearly biased towards one of the sides and it will clearly distort every information they can about the other, due to their ambition for power, to control that territory. It's all about power. They don't really care about the people from both sides.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still laugh whenever you claim my sources are biased, ALL SOURCES ARE BIASED, they just happen to disagree with _your_ biased sources (or beliefs). How are you going to learn anything if you only read what you already agree with?

20% of Arab Israelis can be stripped of citizenship, stripped of property and deported to Palestine to live in a slum with the other Palestinians, EVEN IF THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE. It is a two-tiered citizenship. Does that sound like the Israel they sell you in the media? It's pretty much a copy of the Nazi cultural cleansing of Europe, but not nearly as righteous in intent.

More on the "settlements" aka colonies:




Crazy Israeli says the Palestinian resistance is their (Israelis) own fault:
https://www.rt.com/news/346011-mayor-tel-aviv-attack/

The super-mega-orthodox sects of Jewish Israelis were originally given a special exemption status from work, taxes, military service etc, because most of them didn't support Zionism, and it was a way to get them on board. To the Zionists, the excuse is that they are the keepers of the ancient ways, the culture etc. Both sides were lied to because the Zionist agenda is about reshaping all the Jews into a new form of Israeli-Jew. Don't take my word for it, just read all the things the Zionists and Israeli PM's have said, especially Gurion and Begin.

According to this video most of the settlers with socialist atheists -- where have we heard that before? Oh yea, the just like the Bolsheviks!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6JQPwO3XKc

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Elliott Abrams, Deputy National Security Adviser in the administration of Bush’s son, wrote in his book Faith or Fear (1997): “Outside the land of Israel, there can be no doubt that Jews, faithful to the covenant between God and Abraham, are to stand apart from the nation in which they live. It is the very nature of being Jewish to be apart — except in Israel — from the rest of the population”.


Is Israel Communist? No. Is it fascist? Close, Zionist ultra-nationalism is indistinguishable from Ukraine's current Right Sector and Azov brigades movements. It is neither a republic, nor a theocracy per se, yet. It is moving towards the Saudi model of authoritarianism with some religious justification, hence the "Jewish State" declaration of the Knesset recently. The trend in the Middle East is to autocracy, and it is only Syria and Iran that are moving in the opposite direction, which are a huge problem for the others, as populism is the enemy of autocracy.

There is nothing Islamic about having a King who's family executes Muslims, tortures political prisoners, supplies weapons to terrorists, indulges in prostitutes and drugs, and distributes drugs to other Muslims, nevertheless they are in charge. Turkey is also moving in this direction, whereby the democratic processes are being obliterated one bastion at a time. Of course the fact that Turkey has to destroy so much actually proves that it isn't a banana republic, but the goal Erdogan has in mind seems an awful lot like a sultanate. which is basically identical to the terrorist caliphate.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Explanation of how Zionism is against the Torah, including how the state of Israel is against the "will of god":




The Haredim vs conscription:




Israeli control and home demolition:



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I still laugh whenever you claim my sources are biased, ALL SOURCES ARE BIASED, they just happen to disagree with _your_ biased sources (or beliefs). How are you going to learn anything if you only read what you already agree with?


Of course, all sources are biased... but you have missed the main point of my quote:

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...it will clearly distort every information they can about the other, due to their ambition for power, to control that territory.


That's the part where they become untrustworthy. I am not against sources that are against my beliefs, but I do discard sources that makes shit up to throw people against others. That's the kind of source you are using in this post.

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Is Israel Communist? No.


I am glad you recognize your mistakes.

Regarding Israel being fascist, I am aware that there are several fascist elements in the Knesset and some of them with a lot of power in that country. I don't think that the 'concept' of the Israeli state is fascist, but the current prime minister is certainly fascist.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's the part where they become untrustworthy. I am not against sources that are against my beliefs, but I do discard sources that makes shit up to throw people against others. That's the kind of source you are using in this post.

Every Zionist version of history and op-ed and article you've ever read is specifically designed to support, or further the state of Israel. They use attacks of anti-semitism anytime someone is actually endangering their cause, but long before that they use threats, public smears, or even cutting research funding for scholars etc. It is a well oiled hybrid army that's been very effective at silencing any opposition that isn't Jewish.

So if you argue my Torah Jews link is somehow biased against Israel, yea they are the minority voice that gets away with it, and it makes them seem like the crazies. Unfortunately, they are right on many levels, even if they are crazy.

For instance how real Judaism believes the Jews were kicked out of their homeland, and their punishment is to be homeless. It is this core belief that meant Jews mostly isolated themselves in ghettos voluntarily around the world. It is this core belief that means that they have no inherent loyalty to the countries they reside in, any loyalty they give to that country is purely voluntary and not encouraged by the tribe. Sometimes this idea also mixes with the racist overtones of the culture, and you get crazy militant isolationists and other movements, one of which became the Bolsheviks, and another became Zionists. Though these also morphed over time.

Do I think that's crazy? Yea, but it makes sense to them, and it is important for the rest of us to understand it.
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Is Israel Communist? No.

I am glad you recognize your mistakes.

Regarding Israel being fascist, I am aware that there are several fascist elements in the Knesset and some of them with a lot of power in that country. I don't think that the 'concept' of the Israeli state is fascist, but the current prime minister is certainly fascist.

Where was the mistake? I never said Israel was Communist, I said Communism was an ideology derived from Judaism and Jewish _culture_. Communism starts a popular revolution on principles of equality (impossible), socialism (which inevitably becomes untenable without immense discipline), then ultimately turns into autocratic despotism that controls every aspect of life and economy (like an atheist version of Judaism).

Political and economic systems "win" by misrepresenting themselves, and using feature-creep to get to their final objective. Which is the stated goal of the Israeli "hasbarat", the information war against the rest of us.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why isn't this raging anti-Semite banned yet? Hell, I got banned for less. This is literally wholesale hatred under some banner of freedom? g-e might as well admit he wants to pop a cap in some Jewish asses. My god, this is insanity personified.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G-E wrote:
Every Zionist version of history and op-ed and article you've ever read is specifically designed to support, or further the state of Israel.


You don't even know what do I read, you fool. I am not restricted to blind pro-Zionist sources. I am not Zionist either. I do not support religions mixed with states. None of them, and that includes Judaism and any kind of Christianism as well.

The sources that are not "pro-Palestine" (which I doubt that some of them are pro-Palestine... they just seem to be pro-war, pro-their-own-power, pro-their-own-money or pro-madness) are not necessarily Zionists. Even your so much criticized Wikipedia does not necessarily promotes Zionism. And I do not blindly believe everything I read. I do filter inconsistencies and I do check multiples sources. Splitting things in two sides (pro and against something) is just a matter of immaturity, lack of realistic view of the world and blindness towards different points of view and promotion of hate discussion.

G-E wrote:
It is a well oiled hybrid army that's been very effective at silencing any opposition that isn't Jewish.


This is what your biased sources inform you, to make you hate more and more whoever you consider to be Jewish.

G-E wrote:
So if you argue my Torah Jews link is somehow biased against Israel, yea they are the minority voice that gets away with it, and it makes them seem like the crazies.


Somehow? You mean: "very", "intensively", "obscenely" biased against Israel, right?

Minority is another thing that depends on the point of view. When you claim that you are a minority, you are using a tactic to victimize themselves to attract pitty from ignorant fools and, at the same time, attract hate against what you are targeting, as seen in the first point of this post that I posted a couple of months ago. You know that there are more muslims in the world than jews, right? But I won't claim who is the minority, because many people does not care about this matter or have opinions that moves into different directions and I have no conditions to do a proper survey covering everyone's opinion. Furthermore, there are people who are not muslim, nor jew and do have opinions about it that could be compatible with pro-zionism or anti-zionism as well.

G-E wrote:
Unfortunately, they are right on many levels, even if they are crazy.


Really? I think you mean that "their opinions are compatible with yours on many levels". That doesn't mean they are right, although they will not necessarily lie in every word they post either.

G-E wrote:
For instance how real Judaism believes the Jews were kicked out of their homeland, and their punishment is to be homeless.


Real Judaism? You mean your twisted view of Judaism, don't you? You should not literally interpret everything that is written in the Torah and claim that it is Judaism. Jews are not forced to believe that the world was created in 6 days and that humans arrived in the 6th day. These are metaphors. In the same way that the homeless stories.


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It is this core belief that meant Jews mostly isolated themselves in ghettos voluntarily around the world. It is this core belief that means that they have no inherent loyalty to the countries they reside in, any loyalty they give to that country is purely voluntary and not encouraged by the tribe.


Nope. This is the core belief of your mentally instability towards a twisted vision of Judaism that you have in your corrupted mind. Besides that:

- Many jews are not isolated into ghettos nor have the intention to do it.
- Many people around the world are not nationalism, nor have the intention to be. And they do not need to be jews to not be nationalists. In the other sides, there are many jews who are nationalists (and I am not talking about Israel). But you are right about one thing: jewish synagogues do not stimulate nationalism, neither temples from most of the other religions. Finally, it is worth mentioning that those who are not nationalists may care about the community around them and contribute to make them better. I personally live in a country where it is very hard to be a nationalist when I see so many politicians stealing the money that we pay with our blood to keep a heavy, unstable and inefficient country running. Guess what? I am not nationalist. But I do bother about the place I live at, as well as the people around me.


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Sometimes this idea also mixes with the racist overtones of the culture, and you get crazy militant isolationists and other movements, one of which became the Bolsheviks, and another became Zionists. Though these also morphed over time.


You can get radicals anywhere and from any idea. In the same way you must not blame Islamism for ISIS, you must not blame Judaism for any radical idea derived from it, which I truly doubt that Bolsheviks have anything to do with it.

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Do I think that's crazy? Yea, but it makes sense to them, and it is important for the rest of us to understand it.


It makes sense to you and perhaps few other people who may think like you. You cannot speak in the name of anyone else.

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Where was the mistake? I never said Israel was Communist, I said Communism was an ideology derived from Judaism and Jewish _culture_.


Then, before you believe more in this non-sense, let me quote my question that you haven't answered correctly:

Banshee wrote:
If these Jewish "communists" were so much "communists" as the creature of the article claims, why is there no communism in Israel?


Remember that you have confirmed that there is no communism in Israel. Please, answer this question.
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Communism starts a popular revolution on principles of equality (impossible), socialism (which inevitably becomes untenable without immense discipline), then ultimately turns into autocratic despotism that controls every aspect of life and economy (like an atheist version of Judaism).


I agree with the bold part. Socialism becomes untenable because none of the countries have all the resources required to survive. They'll always need to import things from external countries, who may not be socialists.

And there is no such atheist version of Judaism that controls all aspects of life and economy that I'm aware of. And that doesn't make any sense to the Torah nor with the life style from hebrews in the old times either.


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Why isn't this raging anti-Semite banned yet? Hell, I got banned for less. This is literally wholesale hatred under some banner of freedom? g-e might as well admit he wants to pop a cap in some Jewish asses. My god, this is insanity personified.


I have a feeling that, if I ban him, I will just reinforce these stupid theories of his in his mind and it will be worse. I prefer to keep exposing them on how stupid that it looks like rather than feeding the beast.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banshee wrote:
You don't even know what do I read, you fool. I am not restricted to blind pro-Zionist sources. I am not Zionist either. I do not support religions mixed with states. None of them, and that includes Judaism and any kind of Christianism as well.

I never said that's _all_ you read, I said the ones that _are_ Zionist leaning are the majority, and they are just as biased or untrustworthy as any anti-Zionists links. You and I have read much of both, we just happen to disagree where the truth lies between -- this doesn't make us enemies or fanatics.

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This is what your biased sources inform you, to make you hate more and more whoever you consider to be Jewish.

I brought up the whole Jewish mother issue just to prove that your assertion of what makes a Jew a Jew is wrong, even by their definition. They are the ones that believe they are a race (more or less) and their culture persists in traditions that keep the tribe _pure_ even when you and I know they are not. So we agree that the Jewish definition is wrong too Smile
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Somehow? You mean: "very", "intensively", "obscenely" biased against Israel, right?

Just because someone is obviously biased or suffering from some *-ism doesn't mean they aren't capable of logical arguments, nor does it invalidate historical facts or inconsistencies they point out. Most of the best lies are based in truth, I'm sur eyou know this.

Trump says illegals are taking jobs as a reason to build a wall. It is true that they are taking the lowest paid shitty jobs. That makes it what's called a "truism" even if it is irrelevant or largely false in it's application of stealing "good jobs" from domestic workers. Is it a lie, or is it distortion, or is it erroneous conclusion?

Invading other countries to keep Americans "safe" is just a blatant lie, which is why they need false-flag terrorism around the western world to prove how scary and dangerous the world is. They have to create the problem to justify their lie.
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Really? I think you mean that "their opinions are compatible with yours on many levels". That doesn't mean they are right, although they will not necessarily lie in every word they post either.

None of us should believe every word anyone says. The way we filter what people say of bias, is by applying our own bias, even if that bias is the scientific method, or the philosophy of Sartre, and even if we are open to change. Do you understand why suppressing free speech is such a terrible thing? Information doesn't care who has it, or who spun it, it is up to the viewer/listener to absorb it all, and then figure out the truth.

Hate speech laws, political correctness and other devices are used to attack and limit free speech, which limits ideas, and limits information distribution that doesn't conform to the accepted orthodoxy. We can't have a "politically correct" world and still maintain free and unrestricted idea sharing.
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Real Judaism? You mean your twisted view of Judaism, don't you? You should not literally interpret everything that is written in the Torah and claim that it is Judaism. Jews are not forced to believe that the world was created in 6 days and that humans arrived in the 6th day. These are metaphors. In the same way that the homeless stories.

The Talmudic commentary explains this, you just think I made it up. The Torah predates the Christian era which largely coincides with the expulsion of the Jews in the first place.
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Nope. This is the core belief of your mentally instability towards a twisted vision of Judaism that you have in your corrupted mind. Besides that:

- Many jews are not isolated into ghettos nor have the intention to do it.
- Many people around the world are not nationalism, nor have the intention to be. And they do not need to be jews to not be nationalists.........

You missed the distinction I made, I was referring to the historical assembly of Jews throughout Europe into ghettos. The term ghetto comes from one of the streets in a famous Jewish neighbourhood. Again I didn't make this up, don't point fingers at me.
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Then, before you believe more in this non-sense, let me quote my question that you haven't answered correctly:
Banshee wrote:
If these Jewish "communists" were so much "communists" as the creature of the article claims, why is there no communism in Israel?

Remember that you have confirmed that there is no communism in Israel. Please, answer this question.

I remember don't worry. I also repeated what many other Jewish and non-Jewish scholars have said, that the Jewish community fractured well before the first World War, the Zionist movement was in parallel to the Bolshevik movement, because they were spawned by different groups.

Zionism is primarily from the floating ideological Jewry, the ones that refused to claim attachment. North American Jewry were predominantly pro-west and enjoying the fruits of their economic freedom of America, they had no taste for war, or to leave, much like those in the Germanic states. The rest of European Jewry were primarily the old Khazarian populations, the ones that didn't leave Poland and Ukraine, while largely complacent, they weren't doing well economically, and were ripe for revolutionary ideologies.

We could argue that Zionism and Bolshevism are like the difference between Protestants and Methodists, different but similar ideologically. If you compare them side by side in policy and organizational systems, they look very similar indeed.

Zionism itself has also morphed over the last 100yrs several times, the biggest change was when Israel was formally established, but a second major ideological change happened in the 70's when the holocaust religion gripped the American or "International Jews", many of whom were not particularly Zionist up until then. In the last 20yrs we've seen even more changed towards a fascist state, combining elements of theocracy for legitimacy with ordinary mafia-like operations. Israel today and Zionist Israelis therein are not the same as they were in 1960, let alone the original Zionists like Herzl in the early 1900's.
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I agree with the bold part. Socialism becomes untenable because none of the countries have all the resources required to survive. They'll always need to import things from external countries, who may not be socialists.

Socialism fails for the exact same reason that republics fail, they still require consumption and production for the support of the system. They are just different forms of feudalism, and once they run out of resources OR run out of need of resources, the system can't sustain itself. The longer the systems survive, the larger the bloat, the larger the debt, and the larger the corruption... which means the bigger the disaster when it fails. Every republic and empire has failed, didn't matter how many social programs they had.
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And there is no such atheist version of Judaism that controls all aspects of life and economy that I'm aware of. And that doesn't make any sense to the Torah nor with the life style from hebrews in the old times either.

I never said there was an atheist Judaism. You keep bringing up the fact that Judaism runs on hundreds of laws and principles a Jew has to adhere to, and I never disagreed, but if you take the god out of the picture, you're left with a micro-managing of entire populations, with functionaries to keep it in line.

Think of it like this... Communism replaced "god" with "the state", it replaced Rabbis with the politburo officers to instruct the plebs, and interpret the divine orders. The population is given an enormous amount of routines to follow, orders to obey, and defines the morality of the land, including the need for ideological policing. If you look at it like this, they are not so different without the god angle.
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Why isn't this raging anti-Semite banned yet?

Since when is talking about the tenets of a religion or the behaviours of cultures anti-anything? We're discussing details, but I guess you don't like free speech either... it's nice to know you care more about how Jews feel than care about literally everyone else.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It feels like one of those out-of-control political talk shows that are a frequent thorn in American media; Where we have person 1 talking about a topic, and person 2 blowing it way out of proportion until they've gone off on a tangent and never return.
These are the people that find something new and think it's the holy grail of information that the other "plebs" know nothing about and they must force upon everyone else what they just learned as if it were the Crusades.
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Trump says illegals are taking jobs as a reason to build a wall. It is true that they are taking the lowest paid shitty jobs. That makes it what's called a "truism" even if it is irrelevant or largely false in it's application of stealing "good jobs" from domestic workers. Is it a lie, or is it distortion, or is it erroneous conclusion?

And FYI, don't include Donald Trump as a basis for any sort of argumentative purpose, as he currently has no global or intercontinental influence, except for his business. It only makes you look dumb.

That said, I don't see a reason to ban him, just as long as this stays in this thread.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

4StarGeneral wrote:
It feels like one of those out-of-control political talk shows that are a frequent thorn in American media; Where we have person 1 talking about a topic, and person 2 blowing it way out of proportion until they've gone off on a tangent and never return.

The tangents exist primarily for clarity, since people like to get caught on details. If we were all on the same page, would we bother saying anything at all?
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These are the people that find something new and think it's the holy grail of information that the other "plebs" know nothing about and they must force upon everyone else what they just learned as if it were the Crusades.

I'm not crusading, nor am I some loner in a dark basement ranting on the internet. Every day more people are waking up to the basic truths that history as you know it is all wrong. In Canada we just had a reconciliation of sorts with the Inuit who's history and culture was systematically brainwashed out of existence by forcing their kids into boarding schools. Those indigenous kids were taught to behave and think like their white European masters.
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And FYI, don't include Donald Trump as a basis for any sort of argumentative purpose, as he currently has no global or intercontinental influence, except for his business. It only makes you look dumb.

Explain why I can't use a liar as an example for lies? Would you prefer I used Mother Theresa who told people not to get medicine because prayers would heal them, and thereby caused at least 80 curable patients to die?
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That said, I don't see a reason to ban him, just as long as this stays in this thread.

I appreciate it, reasonable people are hard to find these days...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G-E wrote:
Trump says illegals are taking jobs as a reason to build a wall. It is true that they are taking the lowest paid shitty jobs. That makes it what's called a "truism" even if it is irrelevant or largely false in it's application of stealing "good jobs" from domestic workers. Is it a lie, or is it distortion, or is it erroneous conclusion?


It is a lie, if only a very specific one. They're not "taking jobs", companies are hiring them illegally, either without knowing they were illegal, or on purpose to cut corners. Trump did the latter himself, so he has no right to knock the free trade agreements when he took advantage of them every step of the way. One of the many ways in which he's abandoning the personality he assumed when he announced his presidency, and is becoming a louder, fouler-mouthed Marco Rubio.

His ONLY legitimately good stances are on gun control and foreign policy, and even then he's half-assing his foreign policy proposals. On everything else, especially energy policy and the economy, he would tear the country to pieces and claim he's making America great again. The only consolation is that he's the frontrunner instead of an establishment plant paid to lie as much as Hillary, which almost all of his competitors were before they dropped out.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Would you prefer I used Mother Theresa who told people not to get medicine because prayers would heal them, and thereby caused at least 80 curable patients to die?

I would. Mother Theresa was a ztyping awful person. Regardless, that's not the point. What is the point? Well, I don't have any idea yet since I don't like reading mind numbing nonsense from a paranoid dingbat.

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The Torah predates the Christian era which largely coincides with the expulsion of the Jews in the first place.

Expulsion of Jews? Do you know anything about Jewish and Israelite history?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry did you not like my terminology? Perhaps you'd like to give me some learnin' with some Bible reference?

SM: I've been following the less reported parts of Trump's speeches too, and while he occasionally has some good points, he mixes in a lot of rhetoric to woo the crowd in front of him. This makes judging where he actually stands difficult.

For example he wanted to cut military spending on NATO projects, and said he'd bring home all the overseas troops so as not to engage in war making, yet he also says he'll make the military yuuuge and greeat. Why would you need a massive military if you aren't going to use them? You don't.

Likewise he said something along the lines of cutting foreign aid to Israel since they don't need it, and later makes friends with flaming Zionist Adelson (who no doubt wants to curry favour and influence him...) then starts talking about how great it is to have Israel as a friend. He also said some other pandering nonsense about unbreakable bonds and whatnot. So again, he's leaning towards and away at the same time.

The problem is rarely the president himself, it's the advisors he surrounds himself with who control the bubble, and the puppetmasters who put him in charge he owes his ultimate fealty to. Another great example of this is Fed chairs, Alan Greenspan was a huge gold-bug before being posted, afterwards he did everything to destroy the real value of money and suppressed the value of gold at the same time, by constantly suggesting it was outdated and unnecessary. Less than 5 years after leaving the Fed, Greenspan is pro-gold again, and very apologetic for many of the things he did. Carter and many other presidents all had "regrets" too, once they were out of power, as if that made any difference to the ass-raping of America.
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