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cxtian39
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:44 am    Post subject:  [Ares]RA3 Reaper
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-strong vs infantry/garrison/aircraft
-slow and ineffective vs tank
-gain twice more armor when entrenched
-can be repaired when entrenched
-effective enough to threat tanks when entrenched
-can not undeploy when entrenched, legs are ingrained underground


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't get it, why is it farting flames if it walks?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's dig.shp converted to unittem Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enable anti-aliasing (catmull rom). the render looks horribly pixelated.
The scene needs better/correct lighting, matching the RA2 lighting. Currently it looks like the light source is directly above the unit, not in south west. It also lacks shadows on itself->lit and shadowed areas have the same brightness.
Is this converted from somewhere? It looks like the textures have already some kind of self-illumination and lighting applied to them, which results in such wrong lighting on the render.

The standing frames rotate around a different center point than the walk frames. The round base where the chassis connects with the turret is not centered correct in the standing frames.


model: 9/10
render quality: 1/10
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:

model: 9/10
render quality: 1/10


It's not a original model whatsoever, but a model extracted directly from Red Alert 3, and there are multiple attempts at RA3 model-shp conversions in ppmforums iirc, all with much better quality than his conversions.
And even among them, the quality of this one is the worst.
And WHY THE HELL IT’S CALLED CENTURION?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trans_C wrote:
Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:

model: 9/10
render quality: 1/10


It's not a original model whatsoever, but a model extracted directly from Red Alert 3, and there are multiple attempts at RA3 model-shp conversions in ppmforums iirc, all with much better quality than his conversions.
And even among them, the quality of this one is the worst.
And WHY THE HELL IT’S CALLED CENTURION?

EA ripped off WW's design and presented it as their own, WW's unit was the Centurion, which is what this design is known as in this community. Fun fact, there were 7 camo designs i know of, only have clear pics of 3.



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the Reaper from RA3 Uprising, no doubt inspired by the Centurion, but an original unit/design nonetheless.

http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Reaper_(Uprising)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EA adds two grenade launcher in both side, and replaces the top turret with a rocket pod, other parts look almost identical imo.
Question: How to turn on anti-aliasing without blurring the background?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you remove the background when rendering the unit and keep the background when rendering the shadows
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still a bit blur at edge when import from pngs with transparent background Sad
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

check "Don't anti-aliase against background" in your 3ds max settings.
https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/3ds-max/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2016/ENU/3DSMax/files/GUID-5F506D3B-BC0F-4605-8EE5-A294543C0C1F-htm.html

Also disable alpha in your png output frames setup. You don't need the alpha channel.
Use a fixed color like pure green or purple as background, not default black. Since black is often part of shadowed unit areas and during SHP conversion you don't want to constantly fix the resulting transparent holes, where a dark pixel was changed into transparent.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:
check "Don't anti-aliase against background" in your 3ds max settings.
https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/3ds-max/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2016/ENU/3DSMax/files/GUID-5F506D3B-BC0F-4605-8EE5-A294543C0C1F-htm.html

Wow, it works out nicely
Another question: how to edit skinned mesh?
If I collapse the skin, it’s forever gone.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomsons26lv wrote:

EA ripped off WW's design and presented it as their own, WW's unit was the Centurion, which is what this design is known as in this community. Fun fact, there were 7 camo designs i know of, only have clear pics of 3.

Considering TJ Frame made both the RA2 version of the Centurion and the Uprising version of the Reaper, you can hardly call that ripping off.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How's it


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cxtian39 wrote:
How's it


Better, but still lacks lighting. Just like what LKO had said, your scene lighting is wrong, which make your model lacks highlight and contrast.

I'd rather call it Reaper. It's exactly the Reaper from RA3 Uprising, which is not really similar with that Centurion concept. And there is another Centurion mech in C&C4, so the Centurion name is confusing.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lighting generated by this script seems fine?

I'd still like to call it Centurion. Come and kill me if you feel uncomfortable #Good Gift


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there like a bigger version of it? It kinda feels small though.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cxtian39 wrote:
lighting generated by this script seems fine?

no clue about the script
here is a 3dsmax scene complete with lighting/camera setup for TS, but RA2 isn't a lot different (maybe the shadow casting light moved a bit more towards west instead of directly southwest).
Shouldn't be hard to figure out how the 1 camera and the 2 lights are arranged and apply that to your scene.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another question: I want it to sink into the ground, how to make it not anti-aliasing with the ground?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use a Slice modifier (animate the gizmo to negate the unit movement and keep the slice plane on ground level) and cut away the part below ground.
or
Render it once without anti-aliasing with the ground in pure green (or purple or some other plain color).
Then render again with anti-aliasing without any ground that cuts off the unit.
Combine the 2 render passes, by copying the pure green parts over onto the anti-aliased frames, this way removing the below ground parts.


\Topic renamed since it's a completely unmodified SHP conversion of the original unit.
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