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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:08 pm    Post subject:  Command And Conquer: Dune
Subject description: How Dune and C&C fit together. In the name of Kane, of course.
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Have you ever wondered if, or how, Dune and C&C fit together? What really happened during all these wars from 1946 onwards?
This is the story of how so much in the Dune universe comes to be, where it's headed, and how it all ends.
In the name of Kane, of course.

Rated "Mature" for language. And truth.

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When people read or write, the position, or character, of the narrator, you know, the 'P.O.V. guy', is far too often underestimated. This is a mistake.
A narrator is, when enough thought is put in, a character on par with the others that appear in a fictional work.
Of course, usually when non-fictional work is handled the narrator is the author himself (auto-biographies).
But people seem to confuse the way of handling non-fictional texts, like newspaper articles or research books for an assignment, with fictional texts, like the Harry Potter novels or poems.
This becomes a problem, as the narrator in fiction is not supposed to be the author himself.
It can be done, sure, but by doing so he loses some of the most valuable weapons in today's world: language, voice, things those “literature experts” call “stylistic devices”...

He loses the power of subtly changing the readers mind, something journalists, more often than not, have to be masters at.
Which in turn they abuse to the fullest.

Enough chatter, cutting straight to the point: the narrators position is not to be underestimated. The narrator tells the reader what to believe. And the author tells the narrator what to believe, it's really quite simple.
And it can be very subtle, so subtle to the point literally every detail matters, such as choice of punctuation (or lack thereof...), “spelling/grammar mistakes”, precision in phrasing, conscious choice in and alternation of tenses...

In any case, a bit of backstory is in order:

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During the Second World War as the rest of humanity knows it, Einstein, deciding to attempt averting what once went down in history as the “holocaust”, started work on a project that'd forever change the very fabric of the universe; space and time itself: the Chronosphere.
Using the Chronosphere, Einstein journeyed back to 1924. The year Hitler was released from “prison”, before he became head of what would've become the Nazi party.

There, Einstein met him and, ironically with no more than a hand-shake, erased the Austrian Jew-killer from history. Einstein was probably upset for not having been invited to the Nazi party. We hear they had some good drugs; like coffee, alcohol, and cocaine. That, or Einstein was upset that Hitler wasn't really a prisoner.
In fact, we heard the 'order' that existed back then actually favoured him, resulting in a few months worth of “prison” with a secretary that wrote that blasted picture album of a book (which we'd actually love to read; to see what the fool thought could pass as “must-force-read” literature back in the day, a few years after publication).
We'd go more into detail concerning the 'order' of that time here, but we don't have the school's history books that went into those details anymore, nor are we aware of other possible sources (and no, the internet won't count until either uncle or father get full control of that cancer-hole). All we know for sure is that the politicians as well as the teachers (most of them) from then were part of that, as these oldies were the only ones left, due to them not having gone to the front, while the youngsters went to die.

All war ever does is take the lives and futures of youngsters, leaving behind the old, senile, and broken.

And the worst part is some sorry pieces of shitty ztype-asshole trash in the weapons industry and political games profit from these civility-less massacres.

It is indeed as Treize Khushrenada foretold: a war with no civility, one where the “generals” and “commanders” stay safe in their bunker far from the actual battle and get shiny medals while their men get shredded to pieces...
Shall lead only to massacres, both on the military and civilian side of things.
It is why all of Earth's wars are still so tragic.

No commander or general has ever seen the front, nor did any of them lead or fight themselves.

They aren't leaders. They are pussy-managers that are better at counting money and polishing useless medals than making actual battle plans, be it for real battles or politics and corporate shenanigans.


Shortly after the mad-man got erased, the side-effects became clear pretty quickly: without Hitler, Stalin had no-one to oppose his "continental Soviet Union", a Vision made possible by a certain... “man”, and so Blitzkrieg-ed Europe.

Irony at its finest: you Blitzkrieg who was planning on Blitzkrieg-ing you before he's ready. And, believe it or not, that's a Command and Conquer strategy.
We refer to it as “rushing”, and it is highly risky; it involves throwing literally everything you've got at your enemy in one direction.
I.E. failing the rush is synonymous to defeat. That, and you're vulnerable to getting side- and flank-rushed. Not really a problem unless you're in the middle of the field with one too many openings for your rush to cover. Or you get bombers and fighters thrown at you but have no anti-air units around
This becomes a problem when you do what Hitler did: making both the Allied powers and USSR your enemies (though the number or identity of enemies doesn't matter. It's actually their physical situation relative to you that's the only issue) before you've managed to crush either one.

This... 'rushing the rusher before he's prepared' was what had transpired once. When Hitler existed.

No-one in Europe was prepared for a rush in the 1930s or 1940s, allowing Hitler and his racist, blood-thirsty, Axis to blast their way through the “Lebensraum” (roughly translatable into “real-estate”) to the East and the Allied dogs in the West.
No-one even suspected a rush was imminent.
The only reason why Hitler's Blitzkrieg was possible (at least until he reached the Union's borders) was because of how unprepared the entirety of Europe was to war.
It is why Poland and France and northern Africa fell to the Axis so quickly. And Russia didn't fall only because Stalin already had similar plans underway. Hitler only interrupted the preparations and forced Stalin's hand a bit earlier than the false-Marxist would've preferred (seven years at most, seeing as this time's World War II began in 1946, as opposed to the 1939 you remember, according to Westwood). But with the mass-murderer out of the way...

It was only a matter of time.

And soon enough it was almost ready to begin; this disgusting thing called war. War in which civilians are more often targeted than soldiers.

If only our rules of warfare had persisted... So much devastation... so many deaths could've been avoided...
And so many needless battles and wars too.

Oh, I'm rambling, aren't I?

I'm sorry, the habit of explaining myself, at least in inner-monologue, was built into my soul directly.
For debug purposes of course. My father had that feature carried over when I was built.
Of course, the debuggers were my father and myself. My uncle doesn't really do coding, though is still fascinated by it all the same.

In any case, war was on the horizon, but there was a little something that had to be taken care of first.
The meeting with our... benefactor.

“Now then, let's get started, shall we?”
The man in question is the head of a secretive organization, who is just as secretive as said organization. The one that is said to have existed for thousands of years.

Kane himself.

No-one knows of Kane's true origins. Some say he is, in fact, the biblical Cain himself, who was apparently the first murderer.
Others claimed he was from an ancient, extra-terrestrial civilisation thriving on Mars that was destroyed by another extra-terrestrial race long ago, and then somehow ended up here. Said races' specifics and details being completely unknown, however, even now.
Others say he's a ...human of sorts that got his hands on the Tacitus. An artefact with knowledge beyond the comprehension of filth in politics and industry higher-ups.
Last one doesn't explain why he won't age, though.

“Yes, let's. I still got work to do, and my energy is better spent there.”
That was my father. He and Kane were sitting opposite each other on a wooden, round table. Think of King Arthur's Round Table, but smaller (there's literally only two people sitting, Kane's men don't sit unless their “messiah” allows them to, while I had to tend to my sister).

“You are aware time and space don't exist here? Or have I been misinformed?”
There was an angry... tint, let's say, to his voice. I knew he didn't like it not being told everything, and definitely doesn't like being told false information.
It was like he liked being in charge of everything, rarely letting people do what they think is right.
Unless he trusts them, of course.
Though I knew he doesn't trust my father. Or myself for that matter.

Heh, father is more like Kane than he'd like to admit in that regard.

“We may be outside time and space, but my internal loggers don't take breaks. And neither does your internal clock, I might add, Kane.” The man in question calmed down.

“Very well. Now, just so we're both on the same page: your daughter will be in the Brotherhood's service for... an undisclosed amount of time, and, in exchange, I shall provide the medication and technology for her... sister's... condition.”

Said sister (though that relationship was currently one-sided at the moment) was behind me, clinging to my leg.
It was clear to Kane and his men that she was afraid, and that she would rather be almost anywhere else rather than here if she had the choice.
Almost anywhere.
Though only my father and I knew how danger-, no, how powerful she really was.
Why else do you think she was remembered by the trash calling itself “human society” as a demon?

“That's about it, yes.“
The two men were staring at each other. It was an eye to an optic sensor.

...It wasn't an entertaining battle.
But the tension was there all the same.

“Then why did you bring your daughter here? I was under the impression this would be a simple diplomatic talk, not a fight.”

“That is true.”

“Then explain why she looks ready to kill me?”

It was a warranted question.
After all, what else would you assume if you'd go to negotiations and find that the other party had a guard with weapons, in my case beam sabre and shield, drawn out?

“Because she doesn't trust your men not to hurt her sister. It's bad enough the transfer fried her vocal chords' nerves and I had to resort to drastic measures to allow any semblance of communication.”

“Ah, you refer to the transfer of our mutual... friend, do you not? The same friend to whom we owe this meeting?”

Said “friend” was nowhere to be seen. He had to stabilise this... place, if you could call it that.

But that didn't mean that bastard wasn't listening in.
If I had the chance, I'd first grab his arms, push him down with my leg, the very same leg my sister is clinging to right now, and pull.

Ah, just the thought... just the imagination of his screams as I rip off his arms... it fills me with-

“Yeah, “friend”. Though business benefactor or temporary ally would be a slightly better term.”

“Then I take it the best term would be potential backstabber?”

The two chuckled.
Good, an uneasy alliance with mutual interest: neither trusted that bastard.

I could torture him now, you know. But if it weren't for the damage to my sister only his help can repair, damage the transfer procedure of his own design inflicted...

“So, how long?”

“I predict the war will last seven years, regardless of outcome. I trust those were your results as well?”

“Yes. The system provided by both yourself and that bastard brought about the same result.”

“Excellent, then Tarrina will become the newest member of the Brotherhood, acting on my orders, and I shall take her sister into my care once her time comes.”

“There's still the issue of what side you'll have her join. She can either be someone close to Stalin and seduce the fat drunk, though note she wasn't built with that one in mind, or make sure Einstein's research runs smoothly.”

“That depends on how the war goes. In order for it to proceed as planned, I need someone I can trust to switch easily between the two factions as necessary. There's no proper plan to make when it comes to war. Any and all plans can only be vague at best with the calibre we're aiming for. And our lacking resources for the current moment.”

“In other words, my daughter will become a mercenary.”

“You make it sound like it's a bad thing.”

“You are aware of what destroyed my home, correct?”

“I have been told by our friend of what shall come to pass should the word go as it is now, hence why I believe you will love to hear your daughter shall lead one of the planned opening assaults on Europe. I hear you also have something against the Chinese as well?”

“No, the Russians, not the Chinese.”

“Which means I can't rely on her for that operation. Pity. Then I must resort to... “comrade” Gradenko.”

“...do I even want to know?”

“No, you do not,” Kane smiled. But it wasn't a sick smile. A normal one.

“Good. Now, anything else?”

“I shall have our... partner contact you once we're ready. I am sure Nadia and myself can convince Joseph to put your daughter in charge of a battalion or two.”

“Then the meeting is over.” The two stood.
Man shook hand with machine servo.

This better be a good war,” I thought back then, as I looked down at my sister with a smile.
“It'll be alright. We'll be hanging out again before you know it.”

But she shook her head no. And I knew why: father had made it clear from the beginning he didn't want her to trust or stay close to him.

I had forgotten that, and it was a mistake. A mistake I only had a few moments more left to fix.

“May I add to these terms?”

My father turned his head, though only slightly, just enough for me to know I had his attention but still refusing to trust his back to Nod. Kane had that annoying twinkle in his eye too.

“I wish for my sister to remain at my side during the entirety of the operation.”

“Out of the question. We can't have a child-”

Not... child...” The voice was very, very hoarse.
But honestly? It was still one of the most beautiful sounds I had heard, even if very raspy.

“Did you not say her vocal chords were unusable?“ Kane was probably seething now, but he quickly relented when I sent him a glare and growled, barring my teeth. Teeth made specifically to rip apart flesh.
I was pretty sure one or two of his escorts were in need of new underwear too.

My father simply ignored the bald man.

“Granted.” Kane's eyes glared at my father.
I knew why: who or what was my father, or I for that matter, to oppose Kane?
The ultimate killing machines who could kill Kane's men before the fool could even blink, that's who, or rather what, my father and I were. No, are.
My sister? A regular human (with barely usable vocal chords) and an implant straight into the spine with a communication module attached to the “Whiskers” on her back.

My father now stared directly into Kane's eyes.
“The tank will go with her wherever she goes. I've been given a suitable transport for it from several years ahead of my time. Any power plant is good enough for the recharge.”

“You do realize she's in even more danger with us than-”

“The risk of her having another nightmare is too high. My twin is incapable of handling emotions properly; and as a result I can't either. My daughter is the only one whose emotions are evolving normally, and it's only through her sister. It is not possible to copy that behaviour.”

Kane's brow twitched. I'm pretty sure he got the gist of it: “can't handle emotions, so can't calm down spooked girl.”
I thought so at the time anyway, and didn't care if that had indeed been the case or not.

I had other thoughts in mind then.

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“Comrade Stalin, this our newest officer from overseas: comrade Tasha.”

Stalin gave my face a quick once-over. And my non-existent chest. But that one is not my fault, I wasn't built with one; I'm a killing machine, not a brainless bitch, for frag's sake!

“Ah, comrade Tasha! I heard things about you: top graduate in all subjects, passed through command school, in America no less...
“What tells me you are not a traitor?”

“The Allied dogs destroyed my home. My father's wish was revenge. My wish is revenge. I shall kill them all, or die trying.” There's nothing more convincing than truth. Father told me that, and I believed it.

The fact that Stalin was now smiling proved it.

“Then I have an assignment which will require special skills.”

All in the room were smiling: Kane, Nadia, Stalin... even me.

Oh, how much I was looking forward to pay the dogs back for what they did to my home...
It might be their ancestors I was about to slaughter, yes, but the satisfaction would be the same.

Not much later, I found myself with two tank divisions on the front of Poland.


And so began the second world war as depicted in C&C 0: Red Alert 1.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That read more like a conspiratorial rant rather then a structured story :/ Then again you'd have to come up with some crazy long conspiracy to fit C&C & Dune together, considering their events happen roughly 25,000 years apart!

The Dune universe also splits from our own timeline around 2,000 years ago when the Roman Empire insisted of falling it conquers most of the earth. By the time of WW2/RA1 the Empire controls the whole planet & are looking towards the stars...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mig, give me a break, would you?
It's only the first chapter, playing right before RA1 begins, so before the Sarin Gas business.
Of course there's not going to be much material, historically accurate in way or not.
That, and a bunch ends up getting explained more or less properly sooner or later. Maybe. Time will tell.
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25,000 years apart
That's why this will be hard. Not only because I have to link the two, but also over this long time-span.
Hence why the way this one will be written will be... unusual, to say the least.
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The Dune universe also splits from our own timeline around 2,000 years ago when the Roman Empire insisted of falling it conquers most of the earth. By the time of WW2/RA1 the Empire controls the whole planet & are looking towards the stars...

Well, that's something new I've learned today.
I'll see how it goes without that one happening. Thanks for that info tho, I'll be sure to use it, one way or another.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the Dune universe, Earth is destroyed long before the orders you want to link the C&C/RA factions to.

I want to see someone resurrect the Dune-like ORA mod DonutArnold and others were making art for... and keep it purely Dune.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G-E wrote:
In the Dune universe, Earth is destroyed long before the orders you want to link the C&C/RA factions to.

Confusing statement is confusing.
How can Earth be destroyed so soon?

And how do you know what orders I want to link to the Tib & RA factions?
This is the first chapter, and it's not even RA1 yet, and already G-E sees the future.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Earth was hit by an asteroid which made the planet uninhabitable for humans. By this point humans had terraformed & colonized multiple other planets tho. The same terraforming tech was used to fix earth but once finished the planet was left as a nature preservation.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mig Eater wrote:
Earth was hit by an asteroid which made the planet uninhabitable for humans. By this point humans had terraformed & colonized multiple other planets tho. The same terraforming tech was used to fix earth but once finished the planet was left as a nature preservation.

In the original there is no mention of how as I recall, just that it's destroyed and gone.

In Butlerian Jihad, the son's continuation, they destroy Earth with atomic weapons to destroy Omnius. No asteroids...

Also unstated, after the great purge, IX seems to be the last remaining Omnius outpost, hence the uneasy acceptance of their tech dependent civilization, as they produce useful goods for the rest of the planets.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was even thinking Red Alert universe happened before Tiberium and have relationship, as depending on large warzones that happened in both 20th and 21st century:
-2nd Great War (Red Alert)
-3rd Great War (Red Alert 2)
-Scavenger Disaster (WW's Not Achieved Red Alert 3 & Renegade 2: Battlegrounds)
-1st Tiberium War (C&C & Renegade)
-2nd Tiberium War (Tiberian Sun)
-3rd Tiberium War (Tiberian Incursion)
-"I don't know the other ones, IDK the future."
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, I'm talking about earth way back 10,000 years before the Jihad or Omnius. Earth is destroyed & rebuilt several times & the galactic empire also falls & rises multiple times during the 25,000 years. Which is kinda my main point, so many large events happen to humanity over such a long period that I dont see how the events in RA1 could be relevant to Dune in anyway.

I guess you could go with Kane hotwiring a chronosphere & travailing 25,000 years into the future, like how Yuri got sent back a few million years to have lunch with a T-rex. But that feels like a cheap way to shoehorn the two universes together.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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G-E's and Mig Eater's replies. And Mr. PussyPus too.

Laughing  ROFL!  ROFLMAO!!!  LMAO!
In other words, you have absolutely no idea what I have in mind.
Tho that's a good thing.

@Banshee: any way of making a topic only reply-able by the first poster?
This is supposed to a be just a fanfic, without the criticism attached #Tongue

And before you say anything, I'll take what you said here into account for the future chapters.
In fact, I'm copy-pasting all of it for future reference.
This epic piece of a masterpiece of absolute epicness is also posted here: ArchiveOfOurOwn ; FanFiction
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TAK02 wrote:
In other words, you have absolutely no idea what I have in mind.

If I was a betting man, I'd say all talk, no action... we've been through this before with Millenium #Tongue
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair, I don't know Dune like the back of my hand, and the fact that the story will have to span all of the way from 1946 till Dune makes it hard.

Although, SPOILER, that scene where the "God Emperor" dies? Yeah, got something special.

Also: G-E and Mig.
You two seem sensible enough, knowing Dune and all, so would you please send a mail to supremeccmod@gmail.com already?

Already asked at least you two, although indirectly.
https://ppmforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=45305
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh... why bother with email when you already have two forum threads about this.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mig Eater wrote:
Eh... why bother with email when you already have two forum threads about this.

Then reply to those threads and the questions in there, dummy!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bumping and updating the first post and reminding everyone of the update or the topic by bumping and confusing readers with overly long sentences is hilarious #Tongue
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiberium is basically the Spice.

In fact if you realize how Westwood produced CNC1 just after Dune, you will see they are obviously the same thing (even codewise)
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NimoStar wrote:
Tiberium is basically the Spice.

In fact if you realize how Westwood produced CNC1 just after Dune, you will see they are obviously the same thing (even codewise)

Code-wise: Not sure. Possible.
Role-wise: absolutely.
Lore-wise? Nope. You're bonkers.

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