Torpedos and Hover Units

[AnimalMan]

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I am trying to make a torpedo fire from a hovering unit using the amphibious transport locomotor, and I am struggling to get the torpedo working.

I have tried to modify primary fire locations so the torpedo spawns in the correct layer but it doesnt seem to want to work.

I have also tried creating a new torpedo voxel and hva and editing the layerr and isflat in artmd, but to no avail. The torpedo detonates instantly.


Is it possible to give a hover unit a torpedo projectile?

[4StarGeneral]

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You can't use Level=yes as it has special logic to only work on water. Don't use IsFlat either, layer is purely graphical. Instead (after a ton of testing) this should give you the same function:

Code:

[LandTorpedo]
Arm=2
Shadow=no
Image=SUBT
AG=yes
Ranged=yes            ; The following tags are required to keep this proj on course
ProjectileRange=5      ; Keep below 64 or the missile may miss and ignore Ranged=yes
Proximity=yes         ; Mostly so it again doesn't fly off the map
Floater=yes            ; Projectiles do not move vertically, like Level
ROT=20               ; ROT=1 has very undesireable consequences and low can be just as bad, so keep it at 20
CourseLockDuration=35   ; However many frames the projectile can fly at max taking into consideration Acceleration
Acceleration=10         ; Going below 6 stops it from firing straight like Level

I hope that helps.
EDIT: I should explain that a lot of this logic is to correct the numerous problems of Floater=yes and it's tendency to fly off the map...

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[AnimalMan]

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Thanks General, However I tested the code and it did not work. Here is as sceen




I will post the code in case you can idenfity something that contradicts your code.

proj

Code:

[RipTorpedo]
Arm=2
Shadow=no
Image=SUBT
AG=yes
Ranged=yes            ; The following tags are required to keep this proj on course
ProjectileRange=5      ; Keep below 64 or the missile may miss and ignore Ranged=yes
Proximity=yes         ; Mostly so it again doesn't fly off the map
Floater=yes            ; Projectiles do not move vertically, like Level
ROT=20               ; ROT=1 has very undesireable consequences and low can be just as bad, so keep it at 20
CourseLockDuration=35   ; However many frames the projectile can fly at max taking into consideration Acceleration
Acceleration=10         ; Going below 6 stops it from firing straight like Level

weapon

Code:

;Nation Australia
[RiptideTorpedo]
Damage=100
ROF=120
Range=4
Projectile=RipTorpedo
Speed=25 ;18
Report=SubAttack
Warhead=RipSplash
DecloakToFire=no

WH

Code:

[RipSplash]; for units whose missiles are having trouble hitting
CellSpread=.5
PercentAtMax=.8
Wall=yes
Wood=yes
Verses=0%,0%,0%,0%,0%,0%,0%,0%,0%,0%,0%,0%,0%
Conventional=yes
InfDeath=3
AnimList=S_CLSN16,S_CLSN22,S_CLSN30,S_CLSN42,S_CLSN58
ProneDamage=50%
Versus.ShipHeavy=100%
Versus.ShipLight=75%
Versus.NAVALYARD=60%

vehicle code - take not of locomotor

Code:

[Riptide]
;WaterImage=DEST
UIName=Name:Riptide
Name=Landing Craft
Primary=VulcanRip
Secondary=RiptideTorpedo
Prerequisite=GAWEAP
Strength=300
MoveToShroud=yes
Category=Transport
DeployTime=.022
Armor=Light
Turret=no
IsTilter=yes
TechLevel=4
Sight=6
PipScale=Passengers
Speed=6
;;;CanBeach=yes
Naval=no
Weight=1
CrateGoodie=no
Owner=British,French,Germans,Americans,Alliance,Canada,Australia,SouthAfrica
RequiredHouses=Australia
AllowedToStartInMultiplayer=yes
Cost=900
Soylent=900
Points=15
ROT=5
Crusher=no ;gs yes
Passengers=5
Explosion=TWLT070,S_BANG48,S_BRNL58,S_CLSN58,S_TUMU60
VoiceSelect=HoverAlliedSelect
VoiceMove=HoverAlliedMove
VoiceAttack=HoverAlliedMove
VoiceFeedback=
DieSound=GenVehicleDie
MoveSound=LandingCraftMoveStart
EnterTransportSound=EnterTransport
LeaveTransportSound=ExitTransport
Maxdebris=3
;;;;;SpeedType=Amphibious
;;;;;Locomotor={4A582741-9839-11d1-B709-00A024DDAFD1}
;;;;;MovementZone=AmphibiousCrusher
;;;Locomotor={2BEA74E1-7CCA-11d3-BE14-00104B62A16C};{4A582741-9839-11d1-B709-00A024DDAFD1}
;;;;SpeedType=FloatBeach
;;;;MovementZone=WaterBeach
SpeedType=Hover
Locomotor={4A582742-9839-11d1-B709-00A024DDAFD1}
;Locomotor={4A582744-9839-11d1-B709-00A024DDAFD1}
MovementZone=Amphibious ; gs AMphibiousDestroyer I can't have a destroyer zone without a weapon!
ThreatPosed=3   ; This value MUST be 0 for all building addons
DamageParticleSystems=SparkSys,SmallGreySSys
SpecialThreatValue=1
ZFudgeColumn=7
ZFudgeTunnel=13
SizeLimit=2
Size=16
TooBigToFitUnderBridge=true
VeteranAbilities=STRONGER,FIREPOWER,SIGHT,FASTER
EliteAbilities=SELF_HEAL,STRONGER,FIREPOWER,ROF
;Bombable=no
Trainable=yes
StupidHunt=yes ;this guy can't handle a hunt command, so he should just run towards the player
Bunkerable=no; Units default to yes, others default to no
Turret=no

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[AnimalMan]

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I fixed the issue by removing SUBT and replacing with my already built RIPT code.

here it is to help others

same as BBBLELRG2 ARTMD

Code:

[BBBLELRG2]
Rate=450
Flat=yes
Layer=surface  ; SJM: Lower than ground -- go under ships

Code:

[RIPT]; sub torp
Trailer=BBBLELRG2
Voxel=yes
Flat=yes   ; SJM: Blit with ZGRAD_GROUND.  With luck, missile will appear to go under ships.

I don't  know why.

but it works now. with this identical match of SUBT.


Funny that, now my projectile is invisible :hmm


EDIT


SubT does not like to work, and RipT despite having its own vxl and hva - works correctly - but displays no projectile image or trail.

[AnimalMan]

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After some more testing I worked out that the problem is coming with the Voxel

Code:

[ript]; sub torp
Image=TORPEDO
Trailer=BBBLELRG
;Voxel=yes
Flat=yes   ; SJM: Blit with ZGRAD_GROUND.  With luck, missile will appear to go under ships.

This code works, but is not using a good Torpedo SHP for the job.

[AnimalMan]

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more undesireable effects

[AnimalMan]

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Okay




So after all of that


I have torpedo code where all works but the image (Still get the trail)

Code:

[ript]; sub torp
Image=patriot
Trailer=BBBLELRG
;Voxel=yes
Flat=yes   ; SJM: Blit with ZGRAD_GROUND.  With luck, missile will appear to go under ships.

straight up copy of the Torpedo with new image

Code:

[RipTorpedo]
Arm=2
Shadow=no
;Proximity=yes
Ranged=yes
Image=ript
ROT=12 ;4
AA=no
;AN=yes
AG=yes
;AS=yes
Level=yes

This is good function, torpedos blow up on land, and fire straight lines in the water as the original.

I just need to work out how to put an image on it.

[Lin Kuei Ominae]

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SHP projectiles work different than VXL projectiles.
SHPs start horizontal
VXL start according to the set FireAngle (though not sure exactly. In TS they can also start vertical)

Test the VXL projectile with a high height on the units *FireFLH value and check the projectile path. It most likely starts flying downwards and thus hits the ground when using a low height on your FireFLH.

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Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:

VXL start according to the set FireAngle (though not sure exactly. In TS they can also start vertical)

Hardcoded to start vertical/downwards in RA2/YR.

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[AnimalMan]

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Quote:

SHP projectiles work different than VXL projectiles.
SHPs start horizontal
VXL start according to the set FireAngle (though not sure exactly. In TS they can also start vertical)

Test the VXL projectile with a high height on the units *FireFLH value and check the projectile path. It most likely starts flying downwards and thus hits the ground when using a low height on your FireFLH.
Last edited by Lin Kuei Ominae on Yesterday, at 9:10 pm; edited 1 time in total

When primaryfireheight is set to 150 - and there is no projectile image - the trail shows that the projectile is as you said - heading towards the ground gradually.  Switching the voxel on from this height detonates the torpedo as soon as its fired.







and in regards to hardcode - I noticed that changing the damage of my torpedo weapon from 100 - to 75 - changed its " HIT " explosion effect.

[AnimalMan]

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what I am establishing is that -

Voxel Projectiles + Hover Units = No

Yet i still cant get an SHP image to display


Created the Patriot art entry that uses the large (I think unused)  missile graphic found in the base game.

Code:

[PATRIOT]
Trailer=DURASMOKE
;SpawnDelay=2;1
Rotates=yes

Gave the image to my working torpedo version

Code:

[ript]; sub torp
Image=PATRIOT
Trailer=BBBLELRG
;Voxel=yes
Flat=yes   ; SJM: Blit with ZGRAD_GROUND.  With luck, missile will appear to go under ships.
Rotates=yes

But is a no show in game.

[AnimalMan]

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After looking through ares (to find no fix) I did get some ideas of how to do a SHP projectile. And so as you can see - the issue is resolved


Thanks for all the help guys. A lot of interesting routes to go down.




Theres only one thing left to say guys

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[4StarGeneral]

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I don't know how you're having such an issue, SUBT shows up just fine for me; But yes, Fly and Hover units seem to default to dropping projectiles and FireAngle can't change that. Anything else on the other hand are hardcoded to 50. Westwood just needed more communication between each other...

You can try having a projectile use Splits=yes, Cluster=1, AirburstWeapon=SubTorpedo, but I haven't been able to get it to work, even with FLH at 0,0,-120 to counter Hover.

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[AnimalMan]

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I don't know how you're having such an issue, SUBT shows up just fine for me

you are certain you are using a hover unit?

Could you please put the entire code of your working version (including dummy unit) that uses vxl projectile for me please


I would love to see it and likely use it

Code:

You can try having a projectile use Splits=yes, Cluster=1, AirburstWeapon=SubTorpedo, but I haven't been able to get it to work, even with FLH at 0,0,-120 to counter Hover.

In what way is it not working? Instant explosion or not performing split and transforming into torpedo?

[AnimalMan]

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-120 to counter Hover

-120 to counter hover you say. :hmm

this is the code for the units primary in the screenshot that uses an SHP torpedo projectile and will discharge early using a voxel.

Code:

;Nation Australia
[Riptide]
Cameo=Ripicon
Voxel=yes
UseBuffer=yes
Remapable=yes
;ShadowIndex=2 ;order of voxels got changed
;PrimaryFireFLH=0,0,50
SecondaryFireFLH=150,0,0

notice my weapon is actually a secondary, the primary is to be set to a machine gun later on.

[E1 Elite]

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In IDs always use capital letters like RIPT or RIPTIDE.

[4StarGeneral]

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Revision of my code; no I couldn't get Splits to cooperate, but here's an easier way, 1 weapon:

Code:

;Artmd.ini
[SUBTP]; shp sub torp
Trailer=BBBLELRG
Rotates=yes
Flat=yes
Layer=ground

;Rulesmd.ini
[AmphibTorpedo]
Damage=100
ROF=60
Range=9
Projectile=LandTorpedo
ProjectileRange=11
Speed=100
Report=SeawolfAttack
Warhead=APSplash

[LandTorpedo]
Arm=2
Shadow=no
Image=SUBTP
FirersPalette=yes
SubjectToCliffs=yes
SubjectToElevation=no
SubjectToWalls=yes
AG=yes
Ranged=yes
Proximity=yes
Floater=yes
ROT=1
Acceleration=3

But since all you seem to be having now is an image problem, just use the SUBTP as an example for a SHP projectile. I'll even include one.

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[AnimalMan]

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:O I torpedo SHP, just as I was making my own from scratch. Thank you General. I will keep you posted if and when I start to play with splits and airbursts.