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FS Alpine Valley [2-4]
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IITITANII
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:19 pm    Post subject:   FS Alpine Valley [2-4]
Subject description: My first map...
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Hey y'all. Just got done with my first map. Took me quite a while to make (i'd say close to 4 weeks or so). But yeah. Here is Alpine Valley. Eyecandy was more important here than balance i'd say. But I tried my best to balance it out. Plus, I included 2 captureable refineries on the map for you to use, I doubt the AI would use them though.

There isin't much room to expand outside of the given spawns due to the copious amount of vegetation present on the map. But if you needed to, you could squeeze a conyard and a refinery out of the spawn.

Any constructive criticism is welcome.

Thanks.

P.S. I couldn't figure out how to get the 'in-game' map preview to work in Tiberian Sun Client. If you could let me know how to make it work, I would be very thankful.

P.P.S. I will eventually make a 'night' version of this map. So stay tuned.

*UPDATED 4/8/18* Fixed minor issues.
*UPDATED 4/22/18* Changed a Tiberium patch, made a rock formation more complex and added 2 extra refineries to the map.


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Tuc0
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Took a look in the map and I must say it is nicely crafted. I like some places like urban area with GDI forces and guarded barricades against tiberium wildlife. Got few opinions and some fix suggestions.

Some minor fixes:

 Probably accidentally left, one cell near cliffs is raised by 4 levels.
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 There are typos in your map file, [INORANLMP] instead of [INORANLAMP]
so added settings for your lamp didn't work. Also ImmunesToVeins=yes into ImmuneToVeins=yes. So it should work for you now.


Now some suggestions:

 I would give a little more space to build, probably for all locations.

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 Also I would place inv. lamps out of veinholes and use veinhole monster from special overlay roll-out list at bottom section of FS to have working animation for VM.

 Some cosmetic suggestions: moving some buildings and tiberium out of map border, to make it accessible and not cut in half (just my opinion, looks weird for me Smile  )

Overall it is very nice FS map, I will surely spent some more time playing it.

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P.S. I couldn't figure out how to get the 'in-game' map preview to work in Tiberian Sun Client. If you could let me know how to make it work, I would be very thankful.

Just go to INI folder and open MPMaps.ini in text editor and look how other maps are listed there. For WaypointsX use numbers that are in your map file.

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IITITANII
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Probably accidentally left, one cell near cliffs is raised by 4 levels.


I did not see that at all when I was going through to fix those. Good catch.

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There are typos in your map file, [INORANLMP] instead of [INORANLAMP]
so added settings for your lamp didn't work. Also ImmunesToVeins=yes into ImmuneToVeins=yes. So it should work for you now.


I will get to those immediately. Working on a map while your tired isint good it seems. Laughing

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I would give a little more space to build, probably for all locations.


Yeah, I was concerned about space. I think adding more cliff pieces is out of the question, but I think removing alot of those trees will work. The more I think about it, this map was more of a test at what I could do rather than making a completely functional map. I will get to working on these fixes tomorrow. Thanks for your honest thoughts on this.  Smile

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice map once the aforementioned issues are taken care off.
Creates good atmosphere.

Remove the [Tubes] section and its entries if it is not doing anything.
Use Q45's Tool for plotting tunnel coordinates properly.
http://www.ppmforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=37881

Thread title could be changed from TS to FS Alpine Valley [2-4].

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IITITANII
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fixed the thread title.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, the visuals are astonishing. Can't believe this is somebody's first map.

Gameplay-wise, aside from the lack of build space (though IMO it doesn't seem that bad), the routes to enemy bases also seem a bit narrow and few.

Aside from that, truly great job for a first map!

IITITANII wrote:
I couldn't figure out how to get the 'in-game' map preview to work in Tiberian Sun Client. If you could let me know how to make it work, I would be very thankful.


You need to define the map and its preview in the MPMaps.ini file found in the game's INI folder. You should be able to figure it out by looking at how the existing maps are defined. PreviewSize defines the size of the preview in pixels, note however that it can't be larger than the actual preview frame in the client (max. dimensions are 800x500 px, width x height).
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

map looks quite nice, close to be symmetric, but the tiberium fields of the expansions dont have the same distance to each spawn, that hurts balance a bit Sad

I would put more entrances on the center pit tbh, two entrances make it too easy to block, considering there isnt that much room to maneuver and the top and bottom edge.

Also, these expansions bother me a little, since they feel a little imbalanced, the bottom expansion has more room to maneuver while the top has a tiny pit that can be attacked from all sides, feels unfair.

This map would be perfect for an AI or Campaign map, but for multiplayer, I dont know.

Also, offtopic question, is it normal that my editor gets bugged when it displays veinhole fields? kinda like this. https://imgur.com/a/REedc


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nolt wrote:
Also, offtopic question, is it normal that my editor gets bugged when it displays veinhole fields? kinda like this. https://imgur.com/a/REedc


This happens when the vein overlay has been modified, for some reason FinalSun fails to display some modified overlays. Same thing happens with Tiberium.

Not sure why the map appears blank white for you, though.
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IITITANII
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the positive feedback guys. I will try to fix these issues and update the map ASAP.  Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crimsonum wrote:
Nolt wrote:
Also, offtopic question, is it normal that my editor gets bugged when it displays veinhole fields? kinda like this. https://imgur.com/a/REedc


This happens when the vein overlay has been modified, for some reason FinalSun fails to display some modified overlays. Same thing happens with Tiberium.

IIRC Overlays are shown as hex numbers in FinalSun when the RadarColor of the SHP is a certain value (not sure if it was actually 00 00 00 or some other value)

You can use Image Shaper to change/check the RadarColor.

Ontopic: cool map. Approved! Worth to be included in the public TS Client version imo.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ontopic: cool map. Approved! Worth to be included in the public TS Client version imo.


Thanks mate. I did speak with Rampastring about the map, he indeed wants to add it to the next update for TS Client.  Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for the lack of updates. Been trying to find a car to purchase...

Anyways. Here is a couple pictures of whats been changed (among some small fixes).


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uhm, I cannot spot the changes in the new file you uploaded, nice work anyway.
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IITITANII
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nolt wrote:
Uhm, I cannot spot the changes in the new file you uploaded, nice work anyway.


Yeah, I'll have to update the file tomorrow. Still need to fix one thing and haven't gotten around to it. Sorry about that.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The outposts are better now that they have more space for expansion. However, I can't help feel odd that they have working spotlights in otherwise abandoned facilities #Tongue
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crimsonum wrote:
The outposts are better now that they have more space for expansion. However, I can't help feel odd that they have working spotlights in otherwise abandoned facilities #Tongue


Yeah, thats one of things I was thinking about changing. If fix it today and update the map file.  Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, just put some damage on them, by the way, how does experience work on Tiberian sun? can you kill those neutral titans to give your troops exp? If so I would definetly delete those :S
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nolt wrote:
...how does experience work on Tiberian sun? can you kill those neutral titans to give your troops exp? If so I would definetly delete those :S


I am really not sure. Thanks for pointing that out though.

Map file updated. Expanded spawns should be up next.  Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I played it a bit, it looks nice but feels a little choky.

Also, I dont know if I am nitpicking at this point (sorry about that), but I dont think its a good idea to add elevation for these expansions, it looks good for deco sure but, atleast where I play, we need to get these conyards on the field to expand, and there is no room for it.

I dont know if there is room for powerplant spam expansion either.

Otherwise good job.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice job IITITANII, very impresive details.... Rolling Eyes


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IITITANII
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HG_SCIPCION wrote:
Very nice job IITITANII, very impresive details.... Rolling Eyes


Whoa, my map looks good incredible with Global Crisis (not trying to sound full of myself... Rolling Eyes). I'm actually quite stunned... Laughing Looks awesome for not being made specifically for the mod.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HG_SCIPCION wrote:
Very nice job IITITANII, very impresive details.... Rolling Eyes
Testing map in Global Crisis

Wow, amazing work, turns every tile of map into masterpiece  Shocked

Are you using map converter TS into RA2 or do you copy terrain sections into RA2 blank map to get it open?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Tuc0: https://ppmforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=556604#556604

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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@Tuc0: https://ppmforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=556604#556604

Thanks, didn't noticed posted topic in comments.

"This maps don't need a previous conversion, only copy paste and play"
Not sure if meant like direct copying sections or simply throwing whole TS map into RA2.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copy the map file itself as it is replicating TS terrain, overlay and objects.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ts maps are really nice jobs, detailed and with his own history...

Global Crisis include all TS maps of the tib web and ppm site... like 70 maps


Actually the maps works without conversion, just change the file extension (mpr > map) and done...
Because Ra2 is basically same than TS, anyway Is necesary a change the theater codes and add units of TS.

A example is: I use the T-90 for replace the Titan mech.


hmm... someone here wants made some maps for GC?  Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HG_SCIPCION wrote:
Ts maps are really nice jobs, detailed and with his own history...

Global Crisis include all TS maps of the tib web and ppm site... like 70 maps

Actually the maps works without conversion, just change the file extension (mpr > map) and done...
Because Ra2 is basically same than TS, anyway Is necesary a change the theater codes and add units of TS.

A example is: I use the T-90 for replace the Titan mech.

Sounds incredible, can't wait to see some more screenshots from any familiar TS maps.

How does it handle campaign maps? Are there any issues regarding Houses or specific trigger Actions?

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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TS maps are art pieces... but my colection is really incomplete, I think... maybe do you have any recopilation of maps? Smile

actually just MP works... campaign and his settings are too diferent to RA2... too hard I think...
anyway this mode is under dev, some maps and triggers make crash ingame...

hmm if you want try the mod and see these things Smile

cheers
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