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how can i make a unit like The Sudden Transport from Ra3?
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Keanu113
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:16 pm    Post subject:  how can i make a unit like The Sudden Transport from Ra3? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Is it Possible to make a Unit like Sudden Transport from Ra3? if so How?

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Atomic_Noodles
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It's impossible to make a unit that can disguise into other units. The closest you can do is either making it cloaked or being able to disguise into a Tree (Like a Mirage Tank)

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Mig Eater
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You can only make a vehicle disguise itself as a terrain object such as a tree or light post etc & not another unit like the Sudden Transport.

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TAK02
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Atomic_Noodles wrote:
It's impossible to make a unit that can disguise into other units. The closest you can do is either making it cloaked or being able to disguise into a Tree (Like a Mirage Tank)
Negative. Tanks CAN disguise as other units.

But the current set of tags (specifically YR, not sure for Ares) for the disguise logic are limiting this.

Currently, PermaDisguise=yes like on the Allied Spy will disguise the vehicle as the default disguise infantry. I haven't been able to confirm if the Spy's makeup kit actually works, so feel free test it out yourself.

And while you're at it, you'll notice that the disguise doesn't work quite right.
When the disguised unit moves, I've noticed during the brief time it switches to its disguise that the 'infantry' spins around like crazy.

Feel free to retry with and without Ares.

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RIAKTOR
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

With perma disguise and tankmakeupkit tank disguise as terrain objects in move, but not disguise as units. Testing on Ares 1.0.

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TAK02
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

This is starting to get hilarious.
Goes for both XWIS and vYR+Ares

Code:
Primary=TankMakeupKit
Secondary=MirageGun
;DisguiseWhenStill=yes
CanDisguise=yes
PermaDisguise=yes

results in the tank being able to disguise as trees. Even while moving!
Note: During the movement, the SHP is cycled through.
Still frames: tree frames (without shadow).
Moving frames: tree frames and shadow frames (detached).

Before the MGTK is assigned a disguise, it uses the infantry from the AlliedDisguise= (haven't tested with other factions, but it should be their XXXDisguise).
The infantry is used the following way: when standing still, the first frame is used as disguise.
While moving, the disguise cycles through the SHP frames (with shadow correctly attached) 0-13 (14 frames) from what I can tell.

No change was done to the tank's kit. For the record/comparison:
Code:
[TankMakeupKit]
Damage=1
ROF=100
Range=-2
Projectile=InvisibleAll
Speed=100
FireOnce=yes
Warhead=TankSnapshot
RevealOnFire=no
TerrainFire=yes
Report=MirageTankDisguise

[TankSnapshot]
Verses=0%,0%,0%,1%,1%,1%,0%,0%,0%,0%,0%
MakesDisguise=yes

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Mig Eater
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

TAK02 wrote:
Negative. Tanks CAN disguise as other units.


So are you saying that the glitch where the Mirage Tank incorrectly uses the spy's code is your method for making units disguise as other units?

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TAK02
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Mig Eater wrote:
TAK02 wrote:
Negative. Tanks CAN disguise as other units.


So are you saying that the glitch where the Mirage Tank incorrectly uses the spy's code is your method for making units disguise as other units?

Atomic_Noodles wrote:
It's impossible to make a unit that can disguise into other units. The closest you can do is either making it cloaked or being able to disguise into a Tree (Like a Mirage Tank)
At the time, I got the impression that Noodles implied it out-right doesn't work at all, which contradicts previous testing and today's. I was merely stating it does work, no-one asked if it's broken...
It was also why I'll stem away from re-working Yuri's amphibious transport into the RA3 Sudden Transport. At least, until a work-around or Ares-fix comes around.

EDIT: If anyone got a friend, please kindly test this online/CnCNet. I'm pretty sure it looks hilarious/ridiculous.
EDIT2: After re-reading the whole thing, Noodles is indeed correct. I misunderstood.

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