Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject:
3Ds Max -> W3D Exporter!
There is a good news to Renegade and Generals modders. Silent Kane, from Red Alert: A Path Beyond has been developping a functional Max -> W3D Exporter. Here's a screeenshot:
But... the good of the news stops right here.
They'll be charging a minimum of $75 dollars for the tool! For those who mod for the sake of the fun, this is a terrible news.
We recommend you to be patient, because Eletronic Arts will be releasing an updated Max -> W3D exporter with the Battle For Middle Earth 2 SDK by the next month or march. EA will not charge a single cent for that SDK, unless it comes in the game box.
Here at PPM, we've already created a lot of tools to make your modding easier and we never charged a single cent for it. Actually, we won't charge it, really. We put a lot of effort on these tools too, but just by making the community better and modding easier, it already makes us happy. Have a good day! Last edited by Banshee on Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:07 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject:
Re: 3Ds Max -> W3D Exporter!
Banshee wrote:
Here at PPM, we've already created a lot of tools to make your modding easier and we never charged a single cent for it. Actually, we won't charge it, really. We put a lot of effort on these tools too, but just by making the community better and modding easier, it already makes us happy.
You guys rule _________________ Dario Djuric
Site Director of <a href="http://www.planetcnc.com/">Planet CnC</a> QUICK_EDIT
I personally sincerly hope no one buys this tool. To me it undermines the community - you should release tools to strengthen the community, not to get money from a community which keeps games alive.
The old C&C games are modded because it's so easy to do, if you had to pay for tools such as 3DS2VXL, the OS tools and XCC - the community would no doubt be long since dead.
And a reformed opinon based on reading the official forums...
I partially agree with both sides of this arguement, I can see why many people believe this should be free - It'd reinforce the community, decisions like that have caused Red Alert 2 and Tiberian Sun modding to survive long past what would have been the games life cycle if there were only commerical tools available. If you had to pay $75 for a tool to export SHPs from photoshop or a similar application instead of simply having XCC or OS SHP Builder very very few people would be currently running projects for Tiberian Sun or Red Alert 2 due to cost to simply have the luxury of creating their own graphics for their own mod productions. The same goes for if XCC or any other application weren't free.
However, if that were the case there'd be no way whatsoever to modify the graphics of this game or other aspects of it for free. This is not the case though for W3D creation. The fact there are free alternatives out to this tool mean that, although this tool being commericalised is mainly disadvantageous to the community as a whole, it's simply meaning they have to do everything the way it's been done till now. This is simply less efficent but by no means is it impossible. I see it as the equivilant of upgrading from say paint shop pro to photoshop - You may have a more efficent and more developped application, but it's not like it's going to affect anything if you use the other bar the potential drop in efficency.
Even with this said it is my personal that this is going to have a negative effect on the community, most here will have gotten into games modding as a way to expand the lifespan and also increase enjoyment of their inital purchase and most here will have only truly decided to do so for the sheer fact that it cost them nothing - and most of the time it continued to cost them nothing due to the development of many good hearted developers willing to sacrafice their time for the community as a whole.
Silent Kane in my eyes has simply has decided that his time which he used to create this tool - which was likey something he enjoyed doing - is worth paying for, he is asking us to pay to have the merits of his time and also to pay to do something he enjoyed. I see charging money for the tools to further enjoy the game no better than someone charging money to recieve a mod as it is designed to the same end - to allow someone to enjoy a game to a fuller extent. Last edited by Suiseiseki on Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:54 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
Yeah. Glad for all you agreeing with Carnivean. Because he also partially agrees with us! But...
Too bad the asshat didn't mention that anywhere but OUR forums. Thanks for that. Real honesty in the community here. Actually, there's a lot of dishonesty and a lack of knowledge of the modding history for this series-- even around, say, Red Alert! For which our mod is based! For which we developed a private tool. Red Alert.
Ah, that game had a great map editor it came with, didn't it? You could pay for the RACK though, for example. You were free to choose! RACK, or the official one. 3ds, or Gmax. RA:APB's tools, or the official ones. What about Red Alchemist? RAEdit? You're TS fans here, I know. How about TibEdit or SunEdit2k? Those weren't intended to be freebies last I checked!
Neither was 3ds Max actually! I'm not the FBI so I'm not coming after you for piracy, but assuming you purchased 3ds Max then another $75 that your dev team antes up won't really be putting the big hole in your pocket. Assuming you work on a team with just a handful of guys, I'm sure that you can all chip in for the money you need. I know that at my mods, when somebody or the team needs something, we all pitch in! If somebody loses a PSU, we chip in and ask for donations too from those who consider themselves to be our community.
Banshee. I've got nothing personal against you. I consider you a reliable person in the C&C rts community. I found that little bug in the SHP builder. I've used it a lot. But you've gotta admit, who's been covering *our* news all these years? We've got Lion, and Sonic, and ... they're the big names that come to mind. The community hasn't done shit for us honestly. I mean, I guess there's been a lot of you yelling about Aircraftkiller who has done more for the community as a whole than nearly anybody else; but other than that... yeah. Who's been making *our* tools? A pair of people, that's all. Who's been making *our* code? Well, I can tell you who's ripped off our code in the community!
Not much support kicking back our way, guys! Read the post at SS for my full rant before you reply here. Don't try to jerk us into the community that's largely been ignorant or outright hostile to us just because you want our privately developed tools.
You just go ahead and wait for your damned EA to deliver your tools. Just like they promptly delivered your OMC prizes, right? Then let them con you all into downloading the First Decade so you can play C&C TD online with your friends under Windows XP. Something that you can already do, thanks to the efforts of a certain Silent Kane of the RA:APB team! For free. Fancy that. I hope that's not news to you guys.
I'm an RTS guy, sure. I know that's how Aircraftkiller, and a lot of our guys started. But this crap, especially the "Omg you're killing the community".. coming from a community who chronically has had a major lack of understanding... has built up to a ridiculous amount.
Maybe we'll share with Reborn for free? Our longtime enemy's fanbase is way more of a community than what we find at the RTS hangouts. I've seen the attitudes here and on the other sites. I'm fully in favor of just cutting the RTS guys out of things now. You have your EA tools coming, don't you? So no worries, no crying, no complaining. You'll get what you want: zero sales of this tool. No soup for you, and no offers for the use of our tools; that's how I'd have it at this point. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:37 pm Post subject:
It truly is a shame that you have to pay for this. As everyone else has said, most other community modding tools are free/open source, something like this shouldn't be. It's fair that Silent Kane gets something from this, people can always donate money to him through Paypal. People who find the program highly useful are generally obliged to give some money, because it has been so useful. The Renegade community consists of two major mods, and that is mostly it. There are some other projects out there, but all you really here about is RenAlert or Reborn. Simply put, the Renegade community can't be sustained by these two mods alone and something as remarkable as this could make a HUGE difference to the Renegade modding community.
At the very least, would it not be fair to keep it at a paid price for a while, then release it as totally free/open-source, or keep it at a cheaper price? While your argument is still valid and well-said, it's only fair that something made by the community should help the community in return. I just think this would help on a far greater scale for the community as a whole, especially since it could make Renegade modding simple and more widespread. _________________
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Yeah. Glad for all you agreeing with Carnivean. Because he also partially agrees with us! But...
Too bad the asshat didn't mention that anywhere but OUR forums. Thanks for that. Real honesty in the community here.
I consider the revised opinion on your forum to by my only opinon on the matter, indeed I apologise for not amending it elsewhere until now but honestly when I posted it it didn't cross my mind to go about changing all my posts to reflect it - something I should probably have done to stop myself coming off as a two faced bastard. Last edited by Suiseiseki on Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:35 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
I totaly agree with DeathRay and Carnivean and I am really amazed to see that the staff from the APB forums don't. This sucks. Why would someone pay for a modding tool that will be used to do free things? If every C&C (and other games) modding tool would cost money, there wouldn't be a C&C modding community.
Another reason to say "PPM pwns!". Everything is free.
Do you guys know how much Max even costs? Anybody willing to fork out even the student version's price can afford another $75, especially if he has another 3 team members with him who are willing to give up their Chinese food for a week to chip in. Just because you pirate one program doesn't mean you should demand ours for free.
even though i want this tool to be free, i have to agree with chrono after reading this _________________ Singer-Songwriter Christie Isaac QUICK_EDIT
At the very least, would it not be fair to keep it at a paid price for a while, then release it as totally free/open-source, or keep it at a cheaper price?
Glad you mentioned it, Clazzy; it probably wouldn't be as well recieved if I suggested it. That's definitely a possibility to consider for the future, especially if EA screws us all again and doesn't release their tool. I don't honestly expect that 1.0 is too far away, and once it hits, perhaps we can release this to everybody. But it'd be up to Silent Kane for sure on that. But how about a little more community lovin' coming back from the RTS side of things? If we really are all in this together, people should start acting like it. Even RA and Reborn got over our differences for the most part. There's still a history of noncooperation between the FPS and RTS sides of things though.
Carnivean has also taken off his asshat Thanks QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject:
Chronojam wrote:
But you've gotta admit, who's been covering *our* news all these years? We've got Lion, and Sonic, and ... they're the big names that come to mind. The community hasn't done shit for us honestly. I mean, I guess there's been a lot of you yelling about Aircraftkiller who has done more for the community as a whole than nearly anybody else; but other than that... yeah. Who's been making *our* tools? A pair of people, that's all. Who's been making *our* code? Well, I can tell you who's ripped off our code in the community!
Chronojam, I publicly stated many times that PPM does not cover Renegade. We cover Generals, therefore we are interested on any W3D subject. So, we do not boycott your mod, because we doesn't cover the game(s) that your mod will run at. If this was considered a boycott, we would be boycotting all thousands of Half Life 2 mods. But, we don't cover Half Life 2 either.
I'm aware there were Reborn news here. But none of them were posted by me and I'm not interested on Reborn either.
So, just saying that the community sites are boycotting your mod is unfair. Community sites that covers Renegade are posting news about your mod, such as Planet CnC, CNCDEN, CNCNZ, etc.
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Ah, that game had a great map editor it came with, didn't it? You could pay for the RACK though, for example. You were free to choose! RACK, or the official one. 3ds, or Gmax. RA:APB's tools, or the official ones. What about Red Alchemist? RAEdit? You're TS fans here, I know. How about TibEdit or SunEdit2k? Those weren't intended to be freebies last I checked!
And I've never bought any of them these game/map editors such as RACK, RaEdit, TibEd, SunEdit2k, etc. We do not recommend them here either, in case you've ever noticed.
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but assuming you purchased 3ds Max then another $75 that your dev team antes up won't really be putting the big hole in your pocket.
Be honest: $75 is too much expensive for a modding tool. Even other tools you mentioned above are hardly more expensive than 10 dollars. I understand that those who buy 3ds max probably have cash, but while $75 is almost nothing to you, it's above the half of my wage (lol, my university pays too bad, I know) and probably everything someone in Africa or with a low job receives. Plus, there are a lot of people here who doesn't have a condition to have a job.
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We don't have to release it to ANYBODY. The fact we're offering, to fund Silent Kane's efforts (poor guy has needed a new power supply for a long time) and the rest of the team (some of us have computers older than this site) shouldn't make you all so damn shocked and appalled.
That's not a bad cause, although I've bought a new power supply this month and I never charged anyone to buy it. I believe that Google Ads are a better way to get cash for a cause and I'm aware that A Path Beyond has 3 Google Ads over there. That should pay him a power supply in one or two months.
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But this crap, especially the "Omg you're killing the community".. coming from a community who chronically has had a major lack of understanding... has built up to a ridiculous amount.
I don't think this kind of action kills the community, specially because there are free tools (GMAX with Public Renegade Tools) to get over it, but I do not appreciate it either.
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And finally:
Chronojam wrote:
Too bad the asshat didn't mention that anywhere but OUR forums.
Chronojam wrote:
Carnivean has also taken off his asshat
I do not appreciate flames in this forum. If I see another flame comming from you, I won't even take a look at the size of the post, I'll simply delete it with no warning. _________________
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject:
Aircraftkiller - On Webbies Forum wrote:
Unfortunately, due to pirating talk from other sites we're going to keep it for ourselves. It's our way of saying "ztype you" for the whining you've done. There's a lesson to be learned here: If you whine enough, you WON'T get your way. I'll be holding this exporter over your head if EA never releases their own.
It's a shame it had to end this way. _________________
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Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Location: DAS BOOT IM DER OSTSEE
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:46 am Post subject:
Banshee, why the ztype is Generals even supported here, and Renegade is not? I really dont see the logic behind that at all. Generals forms are about as active as my toenails. I say we just close them down, or replace them with Renegade. Or, atleast add Renegade forms. I'd be more then glad to moderate them, and many people would be glad to discuss Renegade. _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
Absolutely disgusting; as if games didn’t cost enough already. Now you have to pay more for a modding tool than you paid for the game in the first place. The idiot has even said he’s only charging for the tool so he can upgrade his computer. His computer obviously isn’t that outdated if he’s able to produce tools that are good enough to charge $75+ for. What a douche.
Then there are people like Gangster who are devoting all their time and effort into MULTIPLE projects at once for the community, and don’t even ask for a single cent. Now they’re having to pay just to edit a game they’ve already paid for.
Not to mention people like Banshee who supply these kind of tools for absolutely nothing. I can’t express how disgusted I am after hearing this. DISPICABLE!
It’s like DeathRay2k said, what if people like Olaf had charged for the XCC utilities, or Mathius Wagner had charged for FinalSun? There would be no OMC, there would be no spotlighted maps and you’ve instantly lost the entire mapping community.
Thank god there aren't many more of these idiots out there. QUICK_EDIT
I'd log in each time but for some reason PPM always loads slow for me, so I have to hit "Stop" once I figure the parts of the page I need have loaded.
The "taking off his asshat" thing wasn't a flame, it was a recognition that he was no longer seen as an asshat by me; like an anti-flame, or at least that was the idea. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject:
Chronojam stillinbed wrote:
Even RA and Reborn got over our differences for the most part.
ROFL LOL LMAO
yeah, and it took you only... wait... 3 years? or was it 4?
Have you ever heard of such mod-team wars inside the TS modding community? I haven't.
And please, don't come up with something stupid like "they started, we only defended ourselves".
I have followed the story quite some time, and to me the whole thing is nothing else but childish (of course, I'm aware not long ago some of you actually were childs and when it comes to the mind some probably still are)
Chronojam stillinbed wrote:
But how about a little more community lovin' coming back from the RTS side of things?
Really, what do you expect? Some "Oh my god, RAAPB looks soooo sweet!" and "Oh mine, CnC Reborn is soooo great!" ?
I only speak for myself here, but the only reason I played Renegade was that it played in the CnC universe. I'm basically not that much into FPS, and after some time of playing Renegade, my interest in that game vanished more and more.
In fact, in the beginning I was closely following both Reborn and RenAlert, but all the flaming and so on was so annoying, that it rather reduced my interest than keeping it alive.
Another problem (mind, this is my personal opinion, I'm aware there are others) from my perspective, modding Renegade is much more difficult than modding the RTS games. You need many talented, motivated, dedicated and team-able people, and I think there barely enough of them in the community to even make one really good Renegade/RA/TS/HL2/BF2/ANYFPS mod. I played RenAlert in the latest version, and somehow it didn't appeal to me that much, and Reborn even isn't released yet, after so many years.
Now don't get me wrong, I DO know you've all put loads of hard work into the mods, and I also DO know that considering the difficult circumstances you have done a very good job, but that's it.
Chronojam stillinbed wrote:
If we really are all in this together, people should start acting like it.
I think that's the problem, we aren't. And the behaviour of both, some RenAlert and some Reborn guys plays a major role in that matter.
About the 75$ thing: I'd rather spend months or even years on learning programming and working out how those formats work and how to make a converter myself than pay that price.
Note: This is my first and my last comment/rant on this topic. QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject:
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Have you ever heard of such mod-team wars inside the TS modding community? I haven't.
Actually, there were a little war inside PPM that splitted the mod in two and expanded into a war against another network (Armaggedon Entertainment). That last less than an year and it was nowhere near what happened between A Path Beyond and Reborn. The first 3 months they tried to hack our forums many times and infiltrated many spies. After that, we had more like a cold war... Today, we are all friends . Actually, the other side of the problem is playing Half Life in a clan or rapping around... _________________
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject:
Aircraftkiller (at APB forums) wrote:
Let me guess, you think 3DS Max, Photoshop, and all their assorted plugins should be free too.
The Gimp is free. OpenOffice is free. Blender is free. Audacity is free. Don't know what they are? Google. Hint: start at Sourceforge. Which incidentally hosts XCC Utilities too.
In the Linux community, everyone makes tools for free. If anyone'd ask money they'd be laughed at and four other guys would make the same thing for free. And recently, more and more of these people are exporting their free programs to Windows.
I think we need that kind of community spirit. Heck, everyone knows 90% of all mod makers out there prolly run cracked trials of everything ANYWAY.
So yes, I think they should all be free. I think all source should be open, every program should be free. Internet communism, in its purest form. If I want a new PC, I'll get a summer job. In fact I did to upgrade for E@W. KTHXBYE. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:23 pm Post subject:
Nyerguds wrote:
Aircraftkiller (at APB forums) wrote:
Let me guess, you think 3DS Max, Photoshop, and all their assorted plugins should be free too.
The Gimp is free. OpenOffice is free. Blender is free. Audacity is free. Don't know what they are? Google. Hint: start at Sourceforge. Which incidentally hosts XCC Utilities too.
In the Linux community, everyone makes tools for free. If anyone'd ask money they'd be laughed at and four other guys would make the same thing for free. And recently, more and more of these people are exporting their free programs to Windows.
I think we need that kind of community spirit. Heck, everyone knows 90% of all mod makers out there prolly run cracked trials of everything ANYWAY.
So yes, I think they should all be free. I think all source should be open, every program should be free. Internet communism, in its purest form. If I want a new PC, I'll get a summer job. In fact I did to upgrade for E@W. KTHXBYE.
I love you and want to have your children. _________________
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Of course they're free. 3ds Max, MS Office, and our plugin were not supposed to be free, on the other hand. There's always a free option that many believe are superior to the pay option. A lot of people like Linux better than Windows, despite the fact you have to pay for Windows. I can get free chicken sandwiches at the cafeteria, or I can buy a superior one from SubWay. It's my call. Today I bought one, but yesterday I got two for free.
It's everybody's choice on whether or not they want to use the free versions of things, the pay-for versions, or if they want to risk nabbing the pay-for versions for free.
Nobody was forcing anybody to proposition us for the purchase of this, the price wasn't final, and of course there were alternatives that were free-- a thing that many people ignored in their arguments. It's an excellent point there was a free alternative, it means we didn't need to give this product out as a community-saving handout and anybody suggesting that's the case is horribly mistaken. We're definitely not holding anybody back or being unfair, because there's already perfectly fine methods that are freeeeeeee! Just like Open Office and Blender and Linux! The people saying they're happy with the existing tools should try to convince their buddies who are ranting about how we're hurting the community, not waste their time pointing out to US the fact the existing software is free.
I think that if this was the only option for converting your 3d artwork over to Renegade, and we were holding it ransom at the time the communtiy needed it most, that there would be a perfect reason for public outcry. If we were the only people out there who had our exclusive HeavyEncyptedRules.ini editor because those dastardly game devs tried to make modding impossible and we then tried charging everybody, yeah, we'd be assholes.
But ... that's not the case. The official tools are already available, the "other side" has already ranted that they don't need this anyways because EA is finally going to deliver on their promises and give an even BETTER set of tools, and to top it off the official documentation is freely available (hell, it made our tool possible).
You've got your options layed out for you. Anybody bitching since we tried to add one more for a fee, is a little crazy.
And now it's back to where you were a week ago. You still have all your old official options. Nothing's changed for the worse. The only thing that happened was a possible opportunity was lost. Even the loss proved that what was made COULD be made, and there's plenty of intrepid young coders in the community who could take this as inspiration to make their own superior program. So why care about this now, why get upset? EA's gonna give you your new tools anyways.
... on the plus side, it generated a fabulous amount of traffic around the full C&C community and gave us all something to talk about while we wait for EA to give us some news beyond "lol we're selling everything back to you again, plus content the fans made" and "oh yeah, the prizes.. um.. working on that." I guess we've all won in the end.
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This debate is retarded, though I do agree that It's "unfair" to charge money for modding tools. Of course it's their choice to charge money for the tool and the community has the right to complain.
You are the ones whining about the piracy thing. There would be "the same amount of piracy" if they'd never mentioned it . It's not like we're going to hack it just for the sake of annoying you. You don't want to know how many of my classmates are using a pirated bearshare. It's not like they hate bearshare, It's just that they don't want to pay for the program either because they just don't want to, or they only want to download 1 song once in a while.
And I really understand that the maker of the program wants money for all his efforts, but chronojam, be honest, how many people will actually wait for the exporter? How many people are prepared to pay for it? The maker should start working for a software company if he wants to be rewarded for something he made. As stated a thousand times before, the modding community should be free. "Should be" free. QUICK_EDIT
If your statement was directed at me, you could have posted it somewhere that I'd be able to read it without having to dig through obscure C&C forums.
"Should be free" is your opinion. My team's is that this exporter shouldn't be free. What are you going to do to change that fact? That's right, nothing... QUICK_EDIT
Enough. If we dont want to pay we ll not. Someone esle who have such skills should make a same tool and let it be downloaded for free. _________________ Gangster is a Project Perfect Wuj (c)Aro QUICK_EDIT
If your statement was directed at me, you could have posted it somewhere that I'd be able to read it without having to dig through obscure C&C forums.
"Should be free" is your opinion. My team's is that this exporter shouldn't be free. What are you going to do to change that fact? That's right, nothing...
ppm is obscure? that's odd, it is as comprehensible as it gets
indeed we can't change the fact the exporter isn't free, but does that mean it is going to be the only one for a long time? i didn't think so, no
i'm fairly sure that this tool won't be used by any C&C modder worthy of notice, we prefer to wait, or make our own tool. Instead of buying it _________________ Micro TS
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:25 am Post subject:
That topic is too old. The prizes already arrived here. I'm gonna place google ads in this site to pay the postage and properly send them in february because I'm starting to get low on cash at the moment. _________________
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i'm fairly sure that this tool won't be used by any C&C modder worthy of notice, we prefer to wait, or make our own tool.
Well, whether or not you're fairly sure of something is pretty irrelevant to me. I'm fairly sure that you lack intelligence.
At any rate, you've been waiting years for this exporter. The Renegade toolset came out in 2002. It's now 2006. Is it going to be another four years before a W3D exporter, with all the same features and additions that ours has, is released? QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:23 pm Post subject:
lol. Although Silent Kane's price is pretty large, who cares? The guy wants $$$$$ (Don't we all?), and he's created something in the hopes of getting some. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
Carnotaurus wrote:
Banshee, why the ztype is Generals even supported here, and Renegade is not? I really dont see the logic behind that at all. Generals forms are about as active as my toenails. I say we just close them down, or replace them with Renegade. Or, atleast add Renegade forms. I'd be more then glad to moderate them, and many people would be glad to discuss Renegade.
I'm liking Carno's idea, as I am interested in Renegade modding, plus I know a little bit (But not nearly enough). But keep Generals. You never know, some chap might wanna get his mod hosted at PPM.
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lol. Take it easy Clazzy. _________________ Destroy to create. All for the hunt to dominate!
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Well, whether or not you're fairly sure of something is pretty irrelevant to me. I'm fairly sure that you lack intelligence.
At any rate, you've been waiting years for this exporter. The Renegade toolset came out in 2002. It's now 2006. Is it going to be another four years before a W3D exporter, with all the same features and additions that ours has, is released?
I can definetly say i trust Banshee more then you on this.
Let's summarise what's been said so far:
silent kane : i put a lot of work into this, and i would like to get something out of it, because everyone saying thanks for a job well done doesn't get me a new power supply
ACK : due to people trying to talk us out of selling it, we won't be selling it at all , why? because we want to be able to say, we have this tool and you don't, *insert childish laughter*, completely forgetting our original goal of getting silent kane money for his efforts
Nyerguds : i think software should be free,the community wouldn't be as it is today, if it weren't for those free programs
ACK : i had trouble finding the ppm forums, it is a little known site*to me*... what are you going to do about it costing money?
me : i don't think this tool will be used by any known modders out there, i'm fairly sure you use it, BECAUSE it was free for you, silent kane after all didn't charge you for this, because we don't have the money to buy tools, we search alternatives, or make them
Anonymous-san( ACK probably, whom shows as little understanding of the ts/ra2 community, as we show for the renegade community ) : i think you're dumb , you've been waiting years for this exporter
right, let's keep this simple and in two arguments
ts community : we think this should be free, because it helps everyone
aircraftkiller : work was put into this, we expect something back
both valid, now let's shut up _________________ Micro TS
Portable, no campaign, movies or music, just the engine and needed resources for skirmish and lan. QUICK_EDIT
That topic is too old. The prizes already arrived here. I'm gonna place google ads in this site to pay the postage and properly send them in february because I'm starting to get low on cash at the moment.
I was highlighting that EA isn't always as reliable as we'd all like. Every day's an excuse day for them. QUICK_EDIT
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3Ds Max -> W3D Exporter!
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Thanks
. Actually, the other side of the problem is playing Half Life in a clan or rapping around...
. It's not like we're going to hack it just for the sake of annoying you. You don't want to know how many of my classmates are using a pirated bearshare. It's not like they hate bearshare, It's just that they don't want to pay for the program either because they just don't want to, or they only want to download 1 song once in a while.
