Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:02 am Post subject:
The capitalist pigs have invaded PPM!
The title above is just a joke, people. Sk8erkid and I have reached an agreement to place Google Ads in the site to fund the postage operations from the Open Map Competition 3. At least 8 people will receive from games to soundtracks, mousepads, etc and all of them live outside my country, so postage will be too expensive for me. Also, those who scored 60% and want mousepads might be able to receive it too.
I'm trying to confirm all prizes from the other OMC sponsors and I'm delaying the postage to february, because I'm running low on money at the moment (at least I don't have enough cash to send the prizes now). Some of the winners offered to pay all postage costs, however, I refuse to allow anyone else to pay it, afterall, the purpose of the competition is fun. Let EA, Google and other third party deal with the costs. Note that EA alreadt did their part.
In other unrelated news, I still haven't released the OMC 3 TS and RA2 map pack due to pure lazyness to mess up with FinalSun to fix the maps with tiberium on slopes and to pack up the RA2 maps. I've been focusing most of my efforts on Revora ReVolution at the moment. Sorry. QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:09 am Post subject:
Google counts clicks by uniques, probably... maybe they use cookies too. Anyway, this means that it's useless to click on it more than once in a day. _________________
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Actually, they're pretty smart about it. They check it out if there are many, many clicks from a single IP address, or if there is a regular clicking, such as that done by a program. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
They also have very good pattern checking. The google guys are masters of the algorithm. Don't put anything past them or try to cheat, and be sure you read their terms-of-service. There's a bunch of guidelines for presenting the ads that would be very easy to violate. Don't try to cheat AdSense because you'll only be hurting your profit per thousand, and you wanna keep that up.
Don't expect much the first few days as you'll probably get PSAs about the Red Cross or something. The longer you've been a decent customer it seems, the better the ads. The more content you have indexed by google that's usable, the better the ads.
Ad blockers? You've gotta be KIDDING me.
You all should turn OFF your ad blockers for PPM unless you're trying to just screw Banshee et.al., or plan on donating a quarter every other day. If everybody here is as for-the-community as they acted the past couple days, they'd gladly take the time to scroll past an ad bar or possibly peruse any interesting ads for products they see. The kinds of words people use on C&C mod pages often generates very interesting results. Come on, he straight up said the money was going to primarily be shuffled towards getting the prizes out to the community since postage isn't cheap on a world-wide level. What the hell is this selfish turn-around?
One last thing, the image-based ads that get clicked will get you at least, in my experience, three times what the text-based ad units fetch, and a larger multiplier times what standard link-style ads would fetch. QUICK_EDIT
I do find it hypocritical to block advertisements in the community. I run Opera, and can't stand Firefox, so I view all the advertisements that don't pop-up in my browser space. I even click on them to support the websites. Ad blocking is a disgusting action: You deprive webmasters of revenue just because you "think" advertisements are bad. You get sites shut down by blocking them from loading or being viewable.
Why is "community spirit" only brought out when you want something from my team? Here's yet another anti-community action by those who pretend they support it.. I'll make sure to keep it in my log.
At any rate, if I see any advertisements I'll be sure to support the site so he can get these prizes sent out ASAP. _________________ Lead Producer, Red Alert: A Path Beyond
If I want to support a website which actually needs it give me a paypal donation option, if the site was say - in danger of shutting down I'd happily give. If a donation of say $5 removes the adverts or gave a 'donator' status or some such benefit, I would give. I would generally ignore adverts anyway, even when I can't block them I don not click on them so if I can't get rid of them in a way giving back instead of just being selfish about it - I'll get rid of them in a selfish way. QUICK_EDIT
Oh, okay. You just ignore them, which also contributes to the problem of websites shutting down. Great logic there, I'm glad Banshee has such wonderful supporters to keep his website funded. _________________ Lead Producer, Red Alert: A Path Beyond
Your talking crap Aircraftkiller. We have a choice to ignore ads, it's not your call. Adverts are unbelievably annoying to some people. You try to browse a site and get flooded. Now please tell me that if you got flooded by 50 spam pop-up messages you'd happily say "that viagra comes to good use, I'll go to his website!".
If the pop-ups are low, then I'm more than happy to support Banshee and PPM, provided the messages are freindly and relevent (i.e. no enlargement/viagra that sort of stuff). And from the looks of things your a wonderful contributer who wonderfully started this arguement _________________ Last edited by Elerium-155 on Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:35 pm; edited 3 times in total QUICK_EDIT
Oh, okay. You just ignore them, which also contributes to the problem of websites shutting down. Great logic there, I'm glad Banshee has such wonderful supporters to keep his website funded.
Shame that's an invalid point since this website isn't about to close down. Especially when you completely ignore the fact I stated right at the start I'd donate money if the sites was in danger of shutting down. I state quite clearly although I wouldn't click on adverts I would use alternative support methods - perhaps you should try reading my whole post. Not just skimming it and picking out sections to prove your points.
Hell you should try reading Banshees post - it's for shipping costs - not hosting costs, where's the shut down danger? QUICK_EDIT
Your talking out of your ass Aircraftkiller. We have a choice to ignore ads, it's not your call. Adverts are unbelievably annoying to some people. You try to browse a site and get flooded. Now please tell me that if you got flooded by 50 spam pop-up messages you'd happily say "that viagra comes to good use, I'll go to his website!".
If the pop-ups are low, then I'm more than happy to support Banshee and PPM, provided the messages are freindly and relevent (i.e. no enlargement/viagra that sort of stuff). And from the looks of things your a wonderful contributer who wonderfully started this arguement
Pop ups? What popups? We have idiots threatening to block what are often plain-text Google ads, which are screened by a panel and if at all possible, matched to your site's content. They do not believe in popups, and in fact if you are using popups Google revokes your AdSense account and holds any unclaimed earnings.
Considering you are only allowed to place 3 Ad Units, 1 Link Unit, and 2 Search Units per page, I doubt you'd be "flooded" by ads. Do you get flooded when you visit my site? I would sure hope not, because Google would revoke my account.
I would think that when you see low-cost C&C games, strategy guides, MMOs, development kits, and useful software for database management or low, discount site hosting advertised, it wouldn't make you scream in horror.
The people who started the issues are the idiots who, instead of embracing a free way for PPM to fund community efforts by just allowing ads to load and be displayed at the top or even the very bottom of a page, bragged and cheered for ad blocking software. What was particularly shocking was that Carnivean wasn't even willing to let an ad LOAD unless it was going to be paying *him*, community be damned-- that's DEFINITELY the wrong attitude.
I'm not going to claim I'm an angel leading a flawless clergy over here, but there definitely are some attitude issues that have to be confronted when people are so shallow and selfish that they won't allow less than 1k of code to resolve to less than 1k of textual advertising that will help support their favorite (is it?) community. MAYBE they are still in the days of 3000 baud modems and cannot load a 113k jpg worth three times as much as the text, but in that case they should get the hell off modern forums in the first place. QUICK_EDIT
I screen all ads that bother me, google ads annoy me in places other than PPM so I have the entire google ad section of the google site blocked, I'm not about to change that.
Give me alternative methods to give money and I will - $10 for no adverts would be a hell of a lot more than PPM would earn by febuary off me by forcing me to view the adverts as I would without a doubt not click any of them I don't need to see adverts offering me more C&C titles or cheap hosting.
I've donated to cover hosting costs through paypal in the past, I'd happily do it again for a site I liked which needed it.
I despise being forced to view adverts as such, I force those adverts to go away. If you find that as an anti-community effort that's a shame for you. I don't see it as anti-community, I see it as a free choice for me to make on my own.
I'll happily support sites in ways other than clicking on ads - if banshee offers me the option of giving say $10 through paypal to him, I will do such. Last edited by Suiseiseki on Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:25 pm; edited 2 times in total QUICK_EDIT
Wow. To be honest, I agree with Chronojam and Aircraftkiller on this. I clicked the ads, I believe in supporting this place as much as I can. If you like coming here, and if you want there to continue to be events such as the OMC, I recommend you doing the same.
I do see your point, Carnivean, about blocking all Google Ads on all pages. In that case, a donation button would be better. I for one used to block Google Ads, but don't any more, albeit its because I want to see how they look on my website. _________________ Last edited by DeathRay2K on Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:15 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
Wow. To be honest, I agree with Chronojam and Aircraftkiller on this. I clicked the ads, I believe in supporting this place as much as I can. If you like coming here, and if you want there to continue to be events such as the OMC, I recommend you doing the same.
Agreed, we dont want Banshee to have to pay for the prizes to be shiped on his own, we need to support our webmaster...give him a break. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
I personally believe if you're unwilling to view the advertisements embedded in the site, you should have no right to view the site. _________________ Lead Producer, Red Alert: A Path Beyond
I am for great community support all the way. And with that said, you'll understand that I will more than happily lock this topic if the bickering continues because to be totally for the community I must be against the fighting that often occurs in it. We are all human and entitled to our opinions, to those that choose to show our ads and support: thank you very much. And to those who do not, I personally understand the possible reasons and do not hold anything against you for that. Although I do dislike that those showing ads and the ones that are not both are engaging in this arguing here on our forums. When I say OUR forums, I mean all of us that are members. So please stop. Thank you. QUICK_EDIT
i know the arguements already over but i am for the ads because it probibly costs a considerably big ammount of money to do everything that has been done on this site and this is a good way to pay a small part of that back and i WILL click on an ad on this site just because i know the webmaster gets money for it QUICK_EDIT
id keep the ads in place after u have the cash for sending the prizes out. You can save up and put it to good use. _________________ Free Map Editor - Game Requirements - Stucuk.Net QUICK_EDIT
That makes sense, but it would help if the adverts were more relevant to C&C or at least the interests of the people on this forum. Who here is interested in an insurance quote for dry rot? Because I’m not. If the adverts were things like stores that sell games, dvds or music it would be better. I know there are a lot of anime lovers on this forum too, so there’s another idea for adverts. QUICK_EDIT
The relevance of the ads become more similar to the site as we get more and more hits from what I've heard... after a while this similarity system kicks in QUICK_EDIT
thanks for achnologing me Banshee(purpose mispelling)
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