Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject:
Tiberian Ecosystems.
Greetings fellow,
Yes, I been as the floater, puffing my pretty gas of delirium.
I was researching alien lifeforms the other night, one my interests is biology, evolution and dinosaurs.although, the articles I've read are of course speculatory, according to what we know of certian planets, Mars and Europa, specifically
Well I wonder what are your thoughts on tiberian lifeforms, aside from Nod tampering.
From the visceriod, floater to the fiend. which now sorta reminds me of more Daeodon, Dinohyus, the Killer buffalo pig? and giant ants...oops. I said too much!
What other creatures or flora would one speculate to inhabit our new tiberian landscape.
I sorta plan doing something with this.. _________________ Delirium.. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:09 am Post subject:
Hmm...
I would speculate that there are some kinds of birds of prey...
Big birds of prey, equipped with claws and a lot of shark-like teeth .
Small birds would be cute too...
Cute little flying piranhas .
I think that small, slimy things moving in large, very large swarms are an interesting concept of tiberium lifeforms...
Since oceans and seas are poisoned, I would speculate that a lot of crabs have mutated .
Killer crabs are cute . _________________ Eradicate. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:41 am Post subject:
I saw somethign done very similar to this, only about the dinosaurs. the K-T extinction never occoured, and the animals continued to evolve. Spec Dinos I think it was called... _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
I'm also a bit interested of Biology, at least, I'm very interested to think what kind of the tiberium planet would be.
The tiberian evolution? the planet, where tiberium left from the begining, must have quite the same gravity than Earth does. Agordingly, if the sketches made of Scrins are correct, the planet must be bigger than ours.
I think the next form should be a flying/floating in air thing without wings, using some other way to fly/float. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
To Friday-13: This is a extended discussion on what we think as far as the future of the tiberian biome. As a community we sorta established certian standards that were not in the game, but we felt it added to the story. Such as Red Tiberium, even it was mentioned in the rules.ini why didn't westwood add it in? Or why the delay of the Firestorm flora, although these topics are not what I want to discuss.
Even though this is all science fiction, we believe it in a way, we make it real and logical, despite it being merely a game.
We know that all lifeforms, directly synthesize tiberium crystals as a form of a very rapid rate of regeneration.
Well, I know alot of people want the cool factor, but I merge that with "believabilty", So the major question is how something would fit in this primordial ecosystem......I mean we all don't like Nuke monkeys and uber-tanks.
Spec Dinos? I never heard of it, but that does sound like an interesting topic, I would like to reasearch that more? I know of, Troodon evolving into some reptilian homind, which I sort of don't understand, why would it have a human body, and not something else, since dinosaurs taken akin to flight, and more bird-like body types..not homind?
Hrm...Well,? From what we've seen, I guess Westwood's fauna seem to be what we know of this new ecosystem, and how it works. that would be interesting to see what the new aquatic creatures would be...its possible to have larger crustations, due to the predatory, aggressive nature being the stable of life...Sea Scorpions, we large! they were bigger than dolphins!...although larger exoskeleton might have trouble on land...due to the sheer size, its would not be able to support large mass.
We really don't see any passive creatures... all seem bent on eating each other, although its probably because of the "cool factor"
Interesting though on the planet of the scrin, although the life on the planet of orgin would evolve differently. Since our planet is way different than that of the Scrin. They seem to side with "freefloating" and lighter than air travel, thus winged or powered flight creatures are something unique to earth, due to the air density, and wind currents...so its assumed that their air is denser, and yes a larger gravitation all pull would explain most lifeforms having no skeleton... _________________ Delirium.. QUICK_EDIT
Spec Dinos? I never heard of it, but that does sound like an interesting topic, I would like to reasearch that more? I know of, Troodon evolving into some reptilian homind, which I sort of don't understand, why would it have a human body, and not something else, since dinosaurs taken akin to flight, and more bird-like body types..not homind?
Hrm...Well,? From what we've seen, I guess Westwood's fauna seem to be what we know of this new ecosystem, and how it works. that would be interesting to see what the new aquatic creatures would be...its possible to have larger crustations, due to the predatory, aggressive nature being the stable of life...Sea Scorpions, we large! they were bigger than dolphins!...although larger exoskeleton might have trouble on land...due to the sheer size, its would not be able to support large mass.
We really don't see any passive creatures... all seem bent on eating each other, although its probably because of the "cool factor"
Interesting though on the planet of the scrin, although the life on the planet of orgin would evolve differently. Since our planet is way different than that of the Scrin. They seem to side with "freefloating" and lighter than air travel, thus winged or powered flight creatures are something unique to earth, due to the air density, and wind currents...so its assumed that their air is denser, and yes a larger gravitation all pull would explain most lifeforms having no skeleton...
who spoke about dinos? also, when you mentioned that Scrin planet must have greater gravity, cause they have no bones. That doesn't mean the gravity must be higher. They may still have somekind of supporting structure than bones. No one ever mentioned does the Fiend have any bones or not. Neither did about Scrin. And wtf is exoskeleton?
EDIT: has anyone ever thought of the Veinhole? what kind of lifeform is it?
it's told that it "eats" with the hole at the center. Is the creature itself in the hole? or is it just a mouth there? _________________ QUICK_EDIT
They seem to side with "freefloating" and lighter than air travel, thus winged or powered flight creatures are something unique to earth, due to the air density, and wind currents...so its assumed that their air is denser, and yes a larger gravitation all pull would explain most lifeforms having no skeleton...
I don't think that they way any creatures on Earth have evolved would have any relation to what creatures look like on the scrin planet. I also don't think you can base your assumptions of the scrin planet based on the evolution of a species that has never been there. I find it highly unlikely that the xcrin planet is anywhere near similar to ours, the non-carbon based form of tiberium would suggest that the large majority of life on the planet would itself be non-carbon based.
It is more than likely that the flora and fauna that have come about in tiberium sun are that way because of Earth's eco-system.
As i understand it, and im not a physics or biology graduate or anything like that, surely a larger gravitational pull would mean that creatures would need a skelton, either internal or external to ensure they don't end up completly flat on the surface of the planet. It would also mean they would have a much stronger muscle structure needed to move in high-gravity environment. In a low gravity environment a skeleton would not be needed (this is why on Earth a drop of water will go flat and spread out out on a surface, in space it maintains its 'droplet' form). QUICK_EDIT
as you can see in this early render of the Tiberian Twilight, the Scrin looks like quite flat. This may prove that the gravity is high on the planet. Also, I've seen some sketches that has same kind of Scrin, flat, but with four legs. In the sketch there was a human among the side of the scrin, and the scrin was about 8 metres tall. This may prove that the planet is bigger than ours (not necesseraly). _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Again, specualtion. that might not even be scrin. To me it looks like a huge crab. Does a crab tell you anything about the gravity or size of this planet? Last edited by Tratos on Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:15 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:52 pm Post subject:
I believe there is no tiberium life form which can be based to be an alien species! Yet - tiberium veins are pssibly one of them - why? because they are a terraforming agent! _________________ DUNK! QUICK_EDIT
Gah, my err on the whole gravity thing....I sort of went with the floater and the visceriod were the more dominate forms, and I was wrong since I was going with the notion that a skeleton would be burden an organism..since it makes it denser,etc and thinking of jellyfish, living in a dense environment due to water pressure.....but I realized my err....now..
and yea we really can not speculate much so on the scrin, or their native planet, we know nothing, and yes, the screenshots and concept art..is just that... what if the scrin did not have a native planet?what if they spent their lives travelling on a large mothership, traveling planet to planet....a very very mild form of Tyranids.
And thus, ends the scrin segement.
And I never made assumptions from the tiberian organisms on earth to match those of the scrin. just to clear that up.
The veinhole, well in the booklet, it says that the vein hole tears its prey and slowly pulls in the pieces into its central mouth. It's probably some sorta of carnivorous plant or fungi...
Gufu, that sorta did not make sense?....but every lifeform is in a way a terraforming agent, but it does not mean its working for the "Scrin".....they would more liekyl be acting indepentently to make the environment around them more suitable to their liking..but hey its all fiction.
Yuri05: An exoskeleton, is an outer skeleton, something carried by insects since they do not have an internal skeleton structure to support their muscles and internal organs etc
...this is the major reason why insects, tend to stay small. Exoskeletons alone, can not support these large creatures. So tales of giant ants, etc aren't that sound since their tiny frail legs would not be able to carry their body mass...
The largest insects grow up to about 6ft-4ft in length. Now these were very early scorpions, and centipedes..despite they had not structurally changed since then.
No other lifeform is soo diverse and successful as insects, even their current biomass surpasses the rest of the animal kingdom.
Ok, going back on track. _________________ Delirium.. QUICK_EDIT
Yuri05: An exoskeleton, is an outer skeleton, something carried by insects since they do not have an internal skeleton structure to support their muscles and internal organs etc
ok, understood, thanx.
btw, the Scrin, according to the scetches of Scrin forms drawed by one of C&C artists, they're bigger than elephants. Twice as big. So, they might have a different support structure than skeleton. Also, they might be metallic, thus tiberium is said to be un-organic, the Scrin might not be constructed from organic subtance either. Maybe they're fully metallic, having their viscera in protection of hard, metallic cover. It would also keep them in one piece.
^is not speculation, is possibility^ _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Well, the problem would be density and gravity in the case of giant bugs....
As for the scrin, yes it is a possiblity,but again we really do not know how their technology really works etc. we know little about them..... The Scrin ship was made by Nod. _________________ Delirium.. QUICK_EDIT
Kane had the Tacitus remember? He actually mentions that all the technology came from it in the battle with McNeil at the end. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
you both are wrong. They're CABAL's experiments on tiberium mutation. CABAL mentions in the 2nd FS Nod mission, that it will provide the creatures, (CABAL is it, it can't be he) and GDI will provide the organic components... _________________ QUICK_EDIT
It sounds like CABAL just being "poetic" about the whole Tiberian Evolution in general. Providing the new creatures as product of the "tiberian way of life" that he so wants to push forward without humanity. If "it" did literally create them, wouldn't we see more of this as the campaign progressed? _________________ Delirium.. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:58 am Post subject:
Correct. And we have to think since (correct me if I am wrong) CABAL had access to the tacitus that he wouldn't have created a creature as unstable as the tiberium blob. (Dang, forgot it's name again. It's friday) It is always morphing and it's chemical structure is so unstable it is a wonder that it even lives.
Tiberium floater is a good example if something that would have to be created. It is too complex.(whereas the blob is unstable) Evolution requires small changes overtime. And the organs in the floater are complex to the point that if one thing wasn't working, it would cause bad things to happen so it would die and teh next generation would not have the specific organ. Ergo, it would have to have been engineered at some point for it to evolve that way. It could not have evolved by chance.
COuld it have evolved? yes. on its own probability? no.
Anyway that is my two bits (or more of 3 ). Plus we will never know the whole storyline because it has been royally screwed by EA. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Yea, unfortunately the closest thing the game had to "natural" selection was the "veterancy" factor...
. I know the notion of customing units isn't totally new, several games featured this in some way or another, something like an IFV..without the need of an infantry. It would be interesting concept to witness, for a faction to rely on "evolution" much like the Zerg or Tyranids...althought in game we really didnt get to see or particiapte in the abosorbtion of DNA...
I think the "blob" sorta came naturally from Tiberian Dawn, when I first heard about "Visceriods" I'd imagined some sort of super Cyborg Commando like alien.... and why did it lose' its ability to spew tiberium gas is still a mystery.
Ah, our cuddly JFISH... and its mysterious woes..its somewhat close to reality.. jellyfish merely float around and sting anything close enough with some really nasty stuff. Althought they don't electricute you, and its clever usage of gas as a method of movement.
and they don't have a central nervous system either, except maybe for the box jellyfish, which is reported to have sets of fully function eyes, and several brain like organs.
Although, this is going in the deep end of the pool, litterally, the JFISH may have "evolved" from an aquatic source rather than a terrestial one. Since some species of jellyfish, have two life stages. and plus the algae...? which is a curiosity or just an accent to add to the newly mutated landscape. _________________ Delirium.. QUICK_EDIT
They did place mutants in TS, although I assume you are reffering to the floras and mutant landscape? Which yes was to make Firestorm more interesting than it would have been without them.
<i>Well I noticed a much older "offtopic" on Maxis up and coming game, called Spore, which would statisfy my needs I mentioned about in my first post. Although its more "creativity" than evolution.. </i> _________________ Delirium.. QUICK_EDIT
They did place mutants in TS, although I assume you are reffering to the floras and mutant landscape? Which yes was to make Firestorm more interesting than it would have been without them.
no, I meant the fully mutated human, like, what Umagon became. Mutants are just a middle-stage in the mutation. I think the renegade initiate was the next step in human specie. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
true. But, what do you think was the secret of tiberium's fast mutating ability? mostly, on earth, mutates take hundreds of years. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Actually we are surrounded by mutagens, such as the sun!
but usually our body fixes damaged DNA from the carcinogens around us. If not, it turns into cancer or other genetic disorders.
Tiberium is a heavy metal, <i>...band...\m/ </i>
which means its radioactive, plus the alien material?
I am no radiologist but what makes radiation? basically it just means it launches out ions to balance itself out...but it never works...until the isotope decays.., but anyways these ions pass through our body and they damage any DNA strain they come into contact with.
Positive mutants are indeed rare, and usually take many generations to really be of benfit, expection would be viruses and other very primative life. which do have the ability to mutate and evolve within seconds. _________________ Delirium.. QUICK_EDIT
Alright in a game ecosystem, which would be the most effective way of harvesting?
A cheap light unit, which is fast, but only stores less than half or equal to is worth..
A medium type unit. which is considerably armored, but slower and stores equal to its worth or a quarter two a half increase of its worth....ie your standard harvester.
A heavily armored unit, obviously slow, but abilty to carry more than its worth, a full profit.
I know several factors are, the enemies ability to prey upon these methods, and the factions overall demand of resources, and the amount of resources.
I assume a combination of these is best.
but what would be your choice and why? If you had to pick one? _________________ Delirium.. QUICK_EDIT
Light suits well, if you have to constantly run away from your enemies; they won't be able to shoot your harvester down, unless you're so dump that you don't look at the radar...the light armour would be also less protective against tiberium than the heavy one...this one would also blow up easier, which is bad.
Medium...medium, it's between the light and the heavy...
Heavy suits well if you we're so stupid and didn't notice to look at your radar, and your harvester got sneak attacked. It doesn't blow up immiadently. You'll have more time to get troops to rescue it. But still, if they've got a large attack force, it may be too slow to get away.
ok then, if this has turned into a questioning place, what tiberium kind do you think is the best for harvesting?
Riparius,
Vinifera,
Cruentus,
or Aboreus?
(I know, 2 of these weren't ingame, but use the information known of them[Aboreus: ment to be red, very rare, and I can't remember if it was explosive. Cruentus: Dark Blue/Purple, explosive, rare, but very valuable]) _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Well, I judging from westwood's naming from the [tiberiums] section rather than the side comments. etc. Since it seems very early on there possibly was maybe a more diverse tiberium types. Although it did not get very far....
Riparius-
Riparian can be synonomous with a lushy green type of environment, due its close proximity to a water source.
Vinifera,
relates to wild grape vines of a dark purple shade.
Cruentus,
Is actually the red tiberium, its prefix is latin for blood.
Aboreus?
Possibly refering to the large blue tiberium cluster, from Arboreal? , which refers to trees? or treedwelling.... _________________ Delirium.. QUICK_EDIT
I wonder if there would have been even more forms of tiberium...
Btw, this might be offtopic, but did the dinos in C&C Covert Ops have anything to do with tiberium? or were there even an explonation for their excistance? I don't have TD, that's why I'm asking. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
No. The dinos were just an easter egg...as were the ants.
the [tiberiums] section gives creutenus large tiberium properties so its not entirely your fault...why didnt they leave it red?....who knows. _________________ Delirium.. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:37 am Post subject:
SpecDinos had nothing to do with Russel's Troodontid, the animals just followed predicted, and LOGICAL (albeit nonexistant) evolutionary paths. Unrelated, in another image I saw, assumign the K-T extinction never happened, Tyrannosaurs lost their front limbs completley. We'd see vestigal structures falling off, exotic mating devices, new protection, new adaptations. _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
Yea, I am big fan of the ants, oy, do I love them. I even modded FS to feature them as a playable side.
@Tiberium Harvester 2.0
Very interesting...I searched for it on Wiki, and didn't get any matches for SpecDinos....Was it a book or a documentary of sorts?...The closest match was a book by Dougal Dixon, similar to the Future is Wild. .and it mentions an armless tyrannasaurid..
@Alex05
While I've seen those before, We are not really discussing the Scrin. The last two are of Cabal's army. _________________ Delirium.. QUICK_EDIT
how did you get those URLs Alex?? I tried to look them from the site, but all I saw was 1/4 from every pic
EDIT: I ment the cncsaga site. Anyway, I looked throught the other pics, and, just to tell you, the 2 last are not scrin's modified humans, they're CABAL's sick tests with humans. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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Tiberian Ecosystems.
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Gah, my err on the whole gravity thing....I sort of went with the floater and the visceriod were the more dominate forms, and I was wrong since I was going with the notion that a skeleton would be burden an organism..since it makes it denser,etc and thinking of jellyfish, living in a dense environment due to water pressure.....but I realized my err....now..
He actually mentions that all the technology came from it in the battle with McNeil at the end.
