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Tactical Trance
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:42 pm    Post subject:  Tiberian Sun Graphics Enhancment Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm sure some of you already read my post about this in the other forum. I plan, and am going to COMPLETE this mod to the best of my ability with or without any help. I would have done this a long time ago if I was told it would work. I didn't want to waste my time getting all the editing materials to find out it wasn't possible. I later decided that it would probably work and decided to see for myself. It works, so I'm now ready to start.

Now, I'm going to be doing graphics on this myself for quite a while because I just started using the tools. I know what I am capable of already and am certain I will finish this. You guys can either be a part of it and host this mod, or I will finish this alone without asking for approval of anything I use. There is no doubt in my mind that if you all contribute with me, that this mod will be used by many.

*looks at banshee*

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

To summarise, you want us to submit voxels and SHPs. You will then bundle them together and release it. Already I can see your skill being a useful asset towards this mod's successful future.

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Tactical Trance
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Lol. You will see in the next few days. Excuse me for assuming that a project like this would be more beneficial if everyone had the ability to contribute. If at any time I do drop out from the project, I don't see why it would end because it is a never ending graphics upgrade. It's a very broad mod that should be open to everyone for the sake of TS.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

just be carefull about the 100 unit bug

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

that has nothing to do with this mod he just wants people to submit stuff so he can replace graphics

no one makes just graphics only mods.

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Tactical Trance
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Only weirdos make mods that wont be used. Smile
I'll post some screenshots as soon as i can. I am not just ripping units.

Here's a taste of my learning process. sexy harv...



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It looks like a boring recolour that is not enhanced any way and has no sex appeal.

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Tactical Trance
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thank you for the great comment.

Here's some more experimenting.



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

not very nice, I have to say Confused

EDIT: now now, I got to stop these 2 word posts...anyway, it doesn't look good because of that black outline. Why not try to remove it, and let there only be the energybox, floating on top the unit? Try to experiment with that.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thats how it was, make it ghost-recon-advwfighter-blue and it'll ROXXORZ

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

That Devil's Tounge looks VERY, familier... are you sure, that you're not just ripping graphics?

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Tactical Trance
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah, im ripping graphics as well. No shame in ripping great looking graphics. I'm an idiot and I deleted the selected unit graphic because I didn't like it for a split second... After seeing it in the ss again, I like it... I did a little bit more ripping and recoloring to some graphics. I never liked the grey nod units. They should be black. I'm happy with how they look now. I may try darkening structures soon and play around with more things that I can edit. Trial and error... I'm not trying to recreate everything, just making it not burn my eyes from uglyness.



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Tratos
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Tactical Trance wrote:
Yeah, im ripping graphics as well. No shame in ripping great looking graphics.


yeah, yeah there is. If your then trying to pass them off as your own. And now you will be shunned by all of us for it. Idiot, as you put it so elequontly. Somebody with mod powers lock this thread.

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Tactical Trance
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Maybe you need to go outside? Most of the mods I've looked through have a ton of ripped content, not only from other EA games but also from other mods. By the way, I never tried to pass them off as my own... I said in the beginning I was ripping graphics... If you do not wish to contribute, f- off loser.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Taking it from other EA games and putting into an EA game isn't ripping. Taking someone else's hardwork, adding it to your mod without a single bit of credit is. And i would like to know which mods you have seen that have ripped content from other mods, because i bet that they are using them with the consent of the author, something you clearly are not. And swearing at me isn't going to make it any better.

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Tactical Trance
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I would like you to stop posting in my thread. Kthx. I no longer wish to argue with you. Credits will be given upon public release.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Someone please lock this now. It's pretty obvious he's ripping work from other people with little regard for their rights or the consequences.

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Tactical Trance
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Who exactly do you think you are? Honestly? If you keep this up and get others to follow your crap, I will complete this in secret and claim all the work to be mine just to piss you off... I have contributed to this forum and submited my own content for public use. If you want me to stop. I will.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I think im a single member of a much larger community of mostly honest, helpful and hardworking individuals who enjoy the same hobby as myself. What crap? It's pretty well known that ripping and distributing is theft. If you complete the mod in secret and release it just to piss me off who exactly do you think will download it? It will have nothing original because it has all come from other mods, and as this thread serves to prove, most of the members of this community are pretty good at spotting when something is ripped.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Tactical Trance who do you think YOU are? If my memory serves me right Tratos is a respected member of the community and you are a person threatening to use theft in a mod to annoy others, that would be called childish. if I am right.

You need to be have the capability to deal with people critising things such as theft in a mod, you do not seem to have this, and you are under the illusion that moderators and admins may ignore the fact you threatened to use theft in your mod, well they won't sorry.

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Tactical Trance
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have had not much luck with this community from the start of wanting to tell people about this project. Before this I have given this community content to look at and use. No one slapped me in the face. When I decided to start making this mod I had to deal with most of your "respected" community members criticizing me about not completing this project. I owe this community nothing and I do not have to put up with arrogant assholes who want to make fun of the new people because they have nothing better to do. I am using this as a learning experience and to understand how to modify Tiberian Sun. I am not here to claim rights to content. For all you know, the things I am doing are mere placeholders for my new content. You are naive if you think I have anything to lose by dealting out verbal abuse far less harsh than what I have recieved from this community. In my eyes, I have nothing to lose by breaking part with this community and its "respected" members. I regret nothing.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

tratos, youre being an arse. morpher, you seem to fail to see too that he said he will credit upon release.
the only thing i'd like to add is that you should first ask permission to the creators, before release. whether you have to credit them or not is their descision. whether you can use the whatever theyve made or not too.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I am in complete agreement with Tratos and Morpher. Using ripped graphics reguardless is stupid, and unwanted. I suggest you abandon this mod immediately, and apologise to all that you have ripped from. Learn to make you own shit before taking others...

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Tactical Trance
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

That's not the solution I plan to use, dat. I will finish the mod for me and the people I play TS with. I will no longer inform the people on this site about its progress. I will consider releasing it to this community if I feel they deserve it. This is going to be a very sexy mod. Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Smiff wouldn't be lucky to see that you are stealing voxels from TS Retro Sad
and now saying "oooh no they are placeholders" is just a tactic that the members here shut up for your will, its not a learning process to put another voxels of other units into the game that are already existing instead of using the existing models of TS as placeholdrs because what you descrbed to do was simply to replace all TS original content with better graphics, so you ARE stealing no matterwhat do you say :/

do voxeling/shp'ing and shitting yourself, stealing is cheesy so you are?!?!?!?!!!!!!
o_O
Also when you think you had stress with the community here, you have to be lucky that ackron, smiff or banshee didn't made a post to this yet :/

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Tactical Trance
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

We can debate about this all day and in the end it wont matter.

The internet is serious buisness.

I'll end it here by not responding anymore.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

If you have taken units from any mod and distributed it in your own without the mod maker's permission, that is stealing. This isn't a community where we license everything under the GPL or anything similar. If someone releases a resource publically, anybody is able to use or modify it without issue, provided they credit the original maker. If the resource is taken from a mod and is unavailable elsewhere, it is stealing if you use or modify it for your own use in any way.
If what you're doing is the former, there is no problem. If, however, you are doing the latter, you MUST (without fail) inform the original mod maker and ask for permission to use it.

Oh, and don't give us that "I've done something for this community, I can therefore take what I want as compensation" crap. It doesn't work like that. In fact, stealing work is THEFT and is against the law. If you opened up an MP3 player, messed around with it, altered it and sold it back onto the market as your own creation, you will be sued to high heaven and will be imprisoned. We don't have that luxury here, but you have to understand what you are getting yourself into.

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I am using this as a learning experience and to understand how to modify Tiberian Sun.

If this is genuinely the case, you've picked the wrong way to learn. Placing voxels into a mix file isn't learning how to modify TS. Reading a tutorial or five minutes with XCC Utilities will sort that out for you. Modifying TS is altering the ini files and making your own work.

I'm going to leave this topic open provided you:
1. Give credit where credit is due. Every voxel, SHP or piece of work that isn't yours should be credited and listed in this topic.
2. Contact the owners of the mods you have taken work from and ASK FOR PERMISSION to use them. If they decline (and I expect to see actual emails or evidence of conversation if they accept) then remove them immediately.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Tactical Trance wrote:
I have had not much luck with this community from the start of wanting to tell people about this project. Before this I have given this community content to look at and use. No one slapped me in the face. When I decided to start making this mod I had to deal with most of your "respected" community members criticizing me about not completing this project. I owe this community nothing and I do not have to put up with arrogant assholes who want to make fun of the new people because they have nothing better to do. I am using this as a learning experience and to understand how to modify Tiberian Sun. I am not here to claim rights to content. For all you know, the things I am doing are mere placeholders for my new content. You are naive if you think I have anything to lose by dealting out verbal abuse far less harsh than what I have recieved from this community. In my eyes, I have nothing to lose by breaking part with this community and its "respected" members. I regret nothing.


1) You get back from this community what you put in, it is not a charity.

2) We are not making fun of you, we are criticisng you because you stole other people's assets and made no attempt to either contact them for permission or give them credit where credit is due.

3) If this is a learning experience what are you achieving by stealing?

4) I fail to see why anyone would use placeholder graphics for units that already exist in the game. Surely the existing graphics are placeholder enough and the extra effort you went to to extract the various voxels from other peoples mods was not only unnessercary but unwanted.

5) From your previous posts here i feel you deserved every piece of criticism you recieved. I also feel that you are clearly the naive one if you are not mature enough to admit your own mistakes.

I would also like to take a moment to point out to chielscape that i was watching this thread very closely earlier as you can tell from the post times and can inform you that the "credit will be given upon release" was an edit, and therefore clearly an afterthought on the behalf of tactical trance.

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This is going to be a very sexy mod.


Well yes, it would be if you use the best bits of everyone elses mods. Ripping without permission is theft, there is no grey area. 6 months ago, this topic would have been locked and TT banned outright for admitting to ripping. How times change Crying or Very sad .

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Tactical Trance
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

At the mods current state I am not obligated to have to tell you anything. Lock the thread and let it die if you want. It's an eye sore and accomplished nothing from what I was already intending to do.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Your initial idea I liked. Working on a mod which everyone can contribute to help keep the love for TS alive, and the community.

But you went downhill with your attitude. You are stealing. If you admitted it, and tried to correct your mistakes, then you'd make it better for yourself.

But you're not.

If you want to make something for the community, it would help by not alienating yourself from that community.

You have the choice to correct whats already been done, and you alone.

If you want to continue the mod yourself with the same attitude and approach then do so. But the moment you try and show it to the community, it'll be closed down. No one will accept it, or you again.

If you want to try again, but with a better approach, go for it. But watch yourself. You'll have to work to regain respect you've lost here.

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