Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject:
My version of the CnC saga's story/time-line
Subject description: I believe I've figured it out.
This is my version of the CnC Saga timeline/storyline. I think it makes sense.
After WWII devastates europe, Albert einstein goes back in time and erases hitler from history. This opens up a parallel universe in which Nazi germany never rose to power, and therefore was never a threat to the Soviet Union's plans for the complete domination of europe. An alternate USSR lead by an unnopposed Stalin uses this newly created peacetime to build massive armies and perform a full invasion of europe. Stalin nearly succeeds until the forces of the allies rally and beat back the communist war machine. Unbeknownst to the allies, Stalin is really just a puppet of Kane, a mysterious figure who lurks behind the scenes, preparing the world for a new order, the Brotherhood of Nod. Kane is infact the biblical Cain and is therefore immortal.
During the 1950s, the Global Defense Initiative, albeit under a different name is formed as a secret branch of the United Nations, with the job of eradicating Communism through the defense of countries bordering communist nations with high threat rating. The initiative remains dormant throughout the Romanov-controlled USSR, deemed unimportant in comparison with the immediate threat of another Soviet invasion.
As stalin is killed in the aftermath of the war, Kane escapes and watches as the allied forces instate a puppet of their own, who ends up turning against them and sparking another world war. During this time Kain remains hidden, plotting for the time that the alien race first contacted by Nikola Tesla under his orders arrives on earth. He develops a strong following in oppressed, desolated soviet republics that result from the horrible battles that take place during the 3rd world war.
After Romanov falls, Yuri, his chief adviser builds an army of his own and attempts world domination through the construction of his Psychic weaponry, more specifically the Psychic Dominators. However, when the devices are constructed, the allied forces employ the alternate-reality Albert Einstein to construct a new time travel device, and they go back in time to destroy Yuri before the Psychic Dominators were finished, thus erasing yuri from time itself.
In the 1990's, the meteor that Kane had predicted crashes near the Tiber river, spreading a greenish crystal that contaminates and consumes all that is around it. The Global Defense Initiative is rebranded under the current name, after Kane's Brotherhood of Nod emerges as the dominant faction dealing with Tiberian research and weapons development. NOD continues to grow as its following gains support from the impoverished nations, ignored by the GDI rise up against them. This leads to the first tiberium war, lasting until 2002 with the end marked by the destruction of NOD's temple and the supposed death of Kane. Peace lasts until the 2030's, when the Brotherhood re-emerges, sparking a 2nd Tiberium war and the re-appearance of NOD's Charismatic leader, Kane. Nod ends up losing the war, and McNeil drives a spike through Kane as he stares into the Tacitus. Nod falls apart, as Cabal starts killing off the inner circle, in an attack that unites Nod and GDI to destroy this new threat. Cabal is seemingly destroyed, through Kane is being held in an underground chamber, where he has been plugged into Cabal and is being healed of the wounds that McNeil inflicted.
In 2047, Kane re-emerges, healed of his wounds, and ready to finally destroy GDI. By sparking a war with GDI he manages to fool the leadership of Redmond Boyle into using the Ion Cannon on the Temple Prime in Sarajevo. This ignites the vast deposit of Liquid Tiberium under the temple, causing a cataclysmic explosion that spreads tiberium all over the world and devastates existing red zones. The Scrin misinterpret it as a sign that the earth is completely devastated by tiberium, and sends a harvesting operation. The Srin construct massive towers, portals to the scrin world in order to send more units. However, when GDI destroys the Scrin control node, the towers lock, with only Kane knowing how to open one. GDI believes Nod has been defeated, though Kane set up the war to gain control of scrin technology, and has access to an inter-dimensional portal.
Note: The bit about the Kane being Cain is confirmed by ex-Westwood staffies, over at the "Ask Petroglyph" forum on the petroglyph site.
Also, Generals most likely takes place in the real universe, not the alternate universe that Einstein created, as suggested by other people on the petroboards. Last edited by BrianPrime on Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:14 pm; edited 2 times in total QUICK_EDIT
Over at "Ask Petroglyph", Ishmael (Adam Isgreen) said it himself that RA2 was only to take place after someone in CNC3 accidentally used a time machine and went back in time. He also said that Tesla was the first to contact Aliens. So probably that someone went back and stopped him from contacting the Scrin or stopped Kane. This, led to RA2 instead of TD. Check those forums. :p QUICK_EDIT
Over at "Ask Petroglyph", Ishmael (Adam Isgreen) said it himself that RA2 was only to take place after someone in CNC3 accidentally used a time machine and went back in time. He also said that Tesla was the first to contact Aliens. So probably that someone went back and stopped him from contacting the Scrin or stopped Kane. This, led to RA2 instead of TD. Check those forums. :p
I've read the forums, and I have two things to say. First off, he has contradicted that several times if he even DID say it, and second off, that makes no goddamn sense and sounds like complete crap.
If that happened theres no goddamn point in playing CNC3 because it never happened at all. Same goes for TD and TS. The whole point in the CNC saga is to allow for all the various games/wars to exist without conflicting with others. QUICK_EDIT
If that happened theres no goddamn point in playing CNC3 because it never happened at all. Same goes for TD and TS. The whole point in the CNC saga is to allow for all the various games/wars to exist without conflicting with others.
What the....no, you have misunderstood. Someone creates another universe during C&CIII, a universe where RA2 exists like Alex06 said. This doesn't mean that the universe where Tiberian Dawn, Sun, and Incursion/Twilight/PimpMyCar exists vanishes like you said. If you were correct, Einstein, in the first place, when creating the Command & Conquer universe, would have erased our universe, right? No. Our universe, and the universe with Tiberian Dawn, Sun, and Incursion/Twilight/PimpMyCar continues to exist. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
It always amazes me that people feel the need to explain C&C.
It's bloody simple.
For a start it's not linear, every game has two possible outcomes.
So far only Red Alert has had both of its outcomes used for followup games which means there are two canon universes (Tiberian and Red Alert).
Edit: I've bunched expansions in with the original game (ie FS is part of TS, YR is part of RA2).
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject:
Ishmael said that ONLY the Allied ending of RA1 leads to C&C1, and he's one of the guys of the original team, so I believe him. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Also, in FS both sides ends happen at the same time. In YR, which follows the Allied win, there is either world wide socialism under USSR government, or total Allied controll. QUICK_EDIT
I honestly don't believe in all games that are made of EA, so I ignore RA2, YR, Generals, Generals Zero Hour, and C&C 3. But else the storyline makes pretty much sense. And if either Soviets or Nod win, they'll dominate the world. (as far as I know atleast)
nod will never win over gdi except people want to end tiberian series. [becaus if they win everything will doom as we saw nod ending in TS ] QUICK_EDIT
just one thing, if kane is immortal,then why does he need clones? (FS ending)
Not a clone.
Pretty sure those ARE clones.
Those are not clones They are humans in tubes that power-up the intelligence of CABAL.
Oh and this is the timeline Westwood originally planned. Someone travels back in time in the Third Tiberian War (Tiberian Incursion), creating the Red Alert 2 universe.
What I don't understand is what was the point of having Kane in the Soviet ending of Red Alert if the Allied ending is the one that leads to TD?
Surely he should've been in the Allied one in some capacity, and wouldn't he be dead in the Allied one if he had placed himself that close to Stalin?
By any chance are these "official" Westwood versions coming from someone who had nothing to do with the storyline at all? _________________ QUICK_EDIT
What I don't understand is what was the point of having Kane in the Soviet ending of Red Alert if the Allied ending is the one that leads to TD?
Surely he should've been in the Allied one in some capacity, and wouldn't he be dead in the Allied one if he had placed himself that close to Stalin?
By any chance are these "official" Westwood versions coming from someone who had nothing to do with the storyline at all?
WW themselves said it was a pointless cameo appearence. Regardless what people say RA does not fit into TD. RA's soviet ending I could see leading to an alternative TD, but not what we have. Much like I don't see TS/FS leading to TW. QUICK_EDIT
By any chance are these "official" Westwood versions coming from someone who had nothing to do with the storyline at all?
Adam "Ishmael" Isgreen told us about these "official" Westwood versions. He is a part of the Petroglyph team and had been working in Westwood since of Covert Ops. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Ishmael already gave a hint that they are using a lot of those features, if not all, they had planned for Tiberian Incursion (for example, the Scrin base building was pretty complicated, there was only a fixed space of spots of what to put where, and they had to build multiple bases to get all their technology available. The Hierarchy walkers in UAW:EA have so called "walker hard points" which resemble the Scrin base spots.) _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject:
Ya07, Ren 2 was between YR and RA2 probably. The technology in R2(what we saw, atleast), seemed to lack any Yuri units except for the Giant Squid. _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
First of all can someone tell me what the hell is Tiberium Incursion? Then tell me what the hell is Renegade2? (referring to Yuro o07's diagram) QUICK_EDIT
Well, Tiberian Incursion is the C&C3 Westwood had working on, but it was canceled. Renegade 2 shares the same story.
@Carno: No, umn...it was after Yuri's Revenge, but sort of after RA2 too, because when the Soviets went back in time in Yuri's Revenge, they invaded USA in the same time Allies fought in Moscow in the original RA2. It's confusing, but that's what Time traveling is :O _________________ QUICK_EDIT
We can't speak about cancelled games at all, as they will not make any sense at all. I think The creater of this thread's idea was good just misses one thing and that is that there is a RA3 coming and we have to see what happens there..... oh boy these RA games really has made everything complicated.
I also think Daz's diagram is the best except I think it needs some small tunings. QUICK_EDIT
We can't speak about cancelled games at all, as they will not make any sense at all. I think The creater of this thread's idea was good just misses one thing and that is that there is a RA3 coming and we have to see what happens there..... oh boy these RA games really has made everything complicated.
I also think Daz's diagram is the best except I think it needs some small tunings.
If we wont speak about the canceled games that are part of the canon, the CnC saga will be forever unfinished. RA2 and YR will never lead to Tiberian Dawn, and if EA wont make a game that explains the existence of those two games, we must keep handling them as a different universe that is just apart from C&C. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject:
Skaggs got fired after. When he announced RA3 there was no RA3 at all. Maybe he wanted to quit and that was how. _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
Then why have you added it to your timeline smart guy?
Because back in the Westwood days, they already had plans for RA3. That is the Westwood RA3, not the one unofficially announced by a member from EA.
Try to read some facts next time before starting to bitch about something, ok?
Yeah, you're right.
And what's the difference, we know nothing about WW RA3, so can we PLEASE stick to what's been published. Honestly stop talking about what's been cancelled or was gonna come and didn't, it's not right. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject:
But if we stop talking about the things that where plande, we will NEVER know the truth, right? And RA3 should come, and HOPEFULLY clear things up, but all EA thinks about is the money ion your pocket, and if you think about it, RA" was planed by WW, but the complexety of it never saw the light of today. And yes, Ihave read the entire thread at petro, it's a shame EA kills/destroys something like that! Shame to you, EA, shame to you! _________________ This is a signature QUICK_EDIT
But if we stop talking about the things that where plande, we will NEVER know the truth, right? And RA3 should come, and HOPEFULLY clear things up, but all EA thinks about is the money ion your pocket, and if you think about it, RA" was planed by WW, but the complexety of it never saw the light of today. And yes, Ihave read the entire thread at petro, it's a shame EA kills/destroys something like that! Shame to you, EA, shame to you!
Well, that's what I said. I said wait for RA3 to come aswel!
But about the truth, well I have to say that yes, I also have read some threads in Petro and tibweb aswel but to put them in the timeline like Yuri did is wrong cuz we don't know what happened there and what will happen. Am I wrong here? QUICK_EDIT
We shouldn't cease talking about the canceled projects, because they were, are, and will be part of the canon, even if you wouldn't like it. Westwood created the canon, you cannot change that, otherwise you create your own. This is what EA did/is doing. They create their own canon. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
EA owns C&C man, so it's theirs now, why can't you get over this? And as I said you never know what would happen there (in the other games) anyway so our comments wouldn't mean a lot about those games. QUICK_EDIT
EA owns C&C man, so it's theirs now, why can't you get over this? And as I said you never know what would happen there (in the other games) anyway so our comments wouldn't mean a lot about those games.
Why can't you accept conversations regarding the storyline Westwood originally had in concept? What is wrong in digging up the past? _________________ QUICK_EDIT
EA owns C&C man, so it's theirs now, why can't you get over this? And as I said you never know what would happen there (in the other games) anyway so our comments wouldn't mean a lot about those games.
Why can't you accept conversations regarding the storyline Westwood originally had in concept? What is wrong in digging up the past?
Well actually, I like them, but not about what we don't know about (such as Renegade2 or RA3). For example for Renegade 2 you put Allied victory after it which again we don't know about, maybe there won't be 2 campaigns. I really like to know about FACTS about what westwood planned, not guessing what would happen, that's why I like reading the FACTS about WW's CnC. Opinions are also good but not to be totally based on personal guesses. QUICK_EDIT
Well actually, I like them, but not about what we don't know about (such as Renegade2 or RA3). For example for Renegade 2 you put Allied victory after it which again we don't know about, maybe there won't be 2 campaigns. I really like to know about FACTS about what westwood planned, not guessing what would happen, that's why I like reading the FACTS about WW's CnC. Opinions are also good but not to be totally based on personal guesses.
Red Alert 3 was obviously going to occur after Allies win, because the Renegade 2 would, like the Renegade style, include only one campaign for only one side: Allied Forces. And it would be pretty odd to play a game where you loose in the end, wouldn't it? _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject:
Eeh...Ren 2 was based aroudn the idea of a rouge Soviet commander(a Romanov) attacking the U.S. because he was upset about his family's dishonourable loss in the RA2 wars.
I dont think a campaign centering around 'DEFEND AMERICAN MONUMENT X ' for half the time would be popular. _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
Yes, but wasn't the main character a some sort of "Havoc 2" that battles for the Allies? If you remember what Ishmael told about the first mission, it clearly points out to an allied campaign. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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