Why is that in every thread concerning C&C3 people feel the need to express their opinion on the game?
Can't people who aren't interested in or dislike the game stay out of the threads about it, the rest of us don't care. It was all over forums before the game came out, it was all over forums when the game came out and it's all over forums every time there's an update of some sort about the game. We don't need to hear about it on a regular basis.
Especially the people who feel the need to bitch about every single little thing that EA does - Westwood is dead, they're not coming back and C&C is EA's to do whatever they like with. Deal with it.
I think the moderators of the various community forums need to get tougher on this, it's completely inane discussion the majority of the time and quite often not relevant to the specific topic of the thread.
It's an absolute joke and I've not seen a single attempt by staff of any forum to stop it.
(This is no way applies to just this thread or just this forum, it's a regular occurrence in many places) _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:09 pm Post subject:
Thank you, Daz. This is the exact thing I cant stand, Every C&C3 thread results in Westwood's name coming up here. Godforbid you defend EA from the horde, then you get flamed and they whine to moderators because, you're supporting a moderate view of EA other then the 'KILL KILL EA!!!11' view. Where'd fairness and balance go? it seems voicing a view of EA other then absolute hatred, and considering TibSun any less then God's gift is an evil view. _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
I know I said I hate EA, and I will probably hate them till the day I die.
Whether it's an attempt to save their own skin, or actually caring, I don't care.
EA is attempting to fix their screw up and bridge TS with TW.
I guess I'll give the expansion a try.
...and since The Hovercrafts and Cyborgs are coming back... I'll be waiting for the expansion.
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The constant crucification of EALA no matter what they do while elevating Westwood to a saint-like status in spite of their own shortcomings is so hopelessly naive and immature, it almost makes me feel like a pedohpile browsing these forums.
It's already been proven by Petroglyph staff that the original team were planning design decisions that a lot of fans wouldn't agree with. Things like moving away from mechs, toning down the apocalyptic atmosphere, etc, pretty much some of the core things people appreciated about TS. There were also multiple expansions planned, and now EALA has hinted towards it as well. Wether people would still complain or not about these things if Westwood still existed I don't know, but I'm leaning towards the former. It seems to generally be within a fan community's nature to bitch, bitch, bitch about the slightest deviation.
I don't know exactly what compels people to enjoy doing this so much, though I'm guessing it has something to do with the grass always being greener on the other side. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
The constant crucification of EALA no matter what they do while elevating Westwood to a saint-like status in spite of their own shortcomings is so hopelessly naive and immature, it almost makes me feel like a pedohpile browsing these forums.
It's already been proven by Petroglyph staff that the original team were planning design decisions that a lot of fans wouldn't agree with. Things like moving away from mechs, toning down the apocalyptic atmosphere, etc, pretty much some of the core things people appreciated about TS. There were also multiple expansions planned, and now EALA has hinted towards it as well. Wether people would still complain or not about these things if Westwood still existed I don't know, but I'm leaning towards the former. It seems to generally be within a fan community's nature to bitch, bitch, bitch about the slightest deviation.
I don't know exactly what compels people to enjoy doing this so much, though I'm guessing it has something to do with the grass always being greener on the other side.
Dude, you read my mind. Exactly what I was planning to say. <3 _________________ ... QUICK_EDIT
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considering TibSun any less then God's gift is an evil view.
Well, that's actually right. TS IS God's gift to mankind.
That using mechs or equiping them with the same old cannon as with any tank is inefficient is another matter, not to mention making a big expensive mech from a trivial artillary unit which has no need for great manuverabilty or what was it that mechs are supposed to provide over tanks(talking about Juggernaut). QUICK_EDIT
I've split this from the original topic, because it was going away from the original point. However, Daz brings up a very good point, one which I feel was also brought up partly from Sonic at CNCNZ.
I guess its up to Banshee about how it is treated at PPM, but it is something I'm noticing a bit about, and something I have admittedly been prone to in the past.
EA is a company just like any other company, they'll work the numbers. And the numbers between TD and TS to them showed that TS was going in the wrong direction. They have to make a profit. And the bigger the profit, the more the chance they'll work on the series/project in the future. _________________ If there is a problem on the forums, PM me. QUICK_EDIT
Ha, Apoc's done a good job replying there. He's got his work cut out for him but he seems to be handling it well.
That thread's worth reading actually, it's got the one piece of info that alot of people seem to miss.
TS wasn't very good and, more importantly, wasn't very successful. Using too much from TS to appeal to a relatively tiny demographic would've been business suicide. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Yeah, exactly.
Although now, with TW's success, they can afford to give a little more to the "hard-core" TS fans, without throwing out all the pre-established stuff which has worked for the majority of players in TW. They can also, potentially experiment a bit more with ideas, suggestions and features, because they won't be relying on it so much for the money (well, not as much as C&C3 itself) and it won't cost so much to produce also.
Like I've said, expansion packs in the past have always improved the original game, its been seen with TS+FS, RA2+YR, Generals+ZH. (I can't speak for the addons to TD and RA as I never tried them.)
And for the EA bashers, all of the expansions I've mentioned were under the power of EA, so.. _________________ If there is a problem on the forums, PM me. QUICK_EDIT
I am really getting tired of the WW vs EA crap, i know there are lots of differences and stuff from WW ideas etc , but really... its C&C... i love it, i enjoy it, is that not enough?. I was ecstatically happy when EA decided to continue the C&C series whatever it could have been, more C&C the better ... QUICK_EDIT
Yeah, exactly.
Although now, with TW's success, they can afford to give a little more to the "hard-core" TS fans, without throwing out all the pre-established stuff which has worked for the majority of players in TW.
Which is where the story explaining expansion quite nicely slides into place (or will if they fix the naff looking units like the helicopter with blades which slice through each other and the hovering saucer railgun tank).
As for addons to TD/RA they were generally a bit naff.
Covert Ops (TD) adding some new missions and I presume some new maps, but I don't remember any new units.
Counterstrike (RA) did the same plus some mission specific new units (Tesla Tank mission for example) but none for multiplay.
Aftermath (RA) had new missions, new maps and a few new units. So it was decent but gave the Soviets an even bigger advantage by countering the Allied cruiser, which was basically all the Allies had going for them. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
I think that the fact that Command and Conquer games are so easy to mod has caused it to be hated by so many. Now that people have the ability to create they beleive they can do better than the original creators, and from that believe only their views are the only good ones.
Look at starcraft, compare the amount of starcraft mods to any one command and conquer game. Which game has the more hardcore fans? Are there more people playing starcraft right now or red alert, yuri's revenge, tibsun, and firestorm combined? Blizzard actually gave the fans less yet they are loved even more. Plus SC has only one expansion, and not a single thing since (well the sequle is coming out, but only after all this time)
If you don't see where I'm going it is this: people get angry because CnC isn't coinciding with their views anymore. There are mech vs tank people, ea vs ww people, and I'm sure there are a bunch of other little controversities. The arguement bassically comes down to conservatism vs progress.
Sure TD was the greatest game when it first came out, but if games as a whole wants to survive, they always has to keep trying new things and evolving. Sure you may not like what they try out all the time, but eventually they are gonna get something right. It's not like absolutly no one bought CnC3. And the thousands of fans who really love the game, aren't wasting their time putting it down or defending it, they're doing what they are suppose to, playing it
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:06 am Post subject:
TSHyper wrote:
I am really getting tired of the WW vs EA crap, i know there are lots of differences and stuff from WW ideas etc , but really... its C&C... i love it, i enjoy it, is that not enough?. I was ecstatically happy when EA decided to continue the C&C series whatever it could have been, more C&C the better ...
Exactly how I see it, as well. _________________
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