Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:09 am Post subject:
Re: Banshee's warning about the 'credit me crap'.
Subject description: Re: Banshee's warning about the 'credit me crap'.
by: Banshee:
Hey oztronix,
"I know you may not like to waste time crediting people for their work, but this kind of thing is not tolerated here.
If you make a resource from scratch and say that people can do whatever they want with it without crediting you is fine.
But if you edit somebody else's resource, from whatever place in the web, you must follow the liscense included with these resources or at least give them credit for their effort and never replace their liscense. Because, in this case, you are stealing all the effort that this person placed in this resource.
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And why is that credit so much needed?
People who post work for public actualy build a kind of reputation with it. They may use this reputation to get place in mod teams or get their work more respected and known world wide. On some extreme cases, people may even use this reputation and their work as demonstration of what they can do to get a real job in the game industry (we have few cases of that in PPM that actually worked).
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So, if you make resources from scratch, post them on public places and do not want credit for it. It is fine.
If you edit somebody else's resource, you cannot take or remove the credit. if you do that, we will ban you from PPM forums for life.
I hope you understand and respect people's effort and reputation, even if you do not want to make your reputation here.
Kind regards,
~ Banshee"
by oztronix:
11 Jan 08
Thanks for the warning, and NOW:
All fine with me, but I have to say few things here:
-All models in question are my made models.
(It just happened that we all had the SAME 3DS starting collection).
-I am accused of stealing by the forum members, but: I never did that.
-I am malessed by them, in every possible way (flaming, and personal insults of every kind).
-I am Black listed for GIVING SUGGESTIONS on the PPM forums.
(some members don't have enough intelligence to reckognise that what I do are SUGGESTIONS).
-I regret deeply being member of PPM so far, due to the facts above, and
you have no means to regulate: this, being established members: they
are HUMANE ways to say to someone: "sorry, I think it maybe my model".
(NOT violence LIKE THIS without ANY reaction of moderator whatsoever....)
Now: If you call yourself a man, use your gutties, and revision the violence done to ME so far, and WARN the members for THEIR mistakes towards me, as well.
Just have a look at their messages to me, if you have the eyes.
(I am doubting your good vision at the moment).
The site policies doesn't apply to "reputation" members ?
I never stolen anything - I have no need for that.
I DEEPLY REGRET BEING MEMBER OF PPM SO FAR, due to ungodly policies
you demonstrated towards people with new ideas, and suggestions.
Your inability to deal with this properly is clearly demonstarted with this fact.
Also: I found that you don't have any collection of credits-free quality models, and you have no ear to accept new positive suggestions.
At the end, Banshee, I give you the example, where one of "established" members has the following text in his signature for all messages:
"your stupidity is enough reason to bash you"
Do you agree with this, and do you understand what graphic violence is,
and what violence is, and that your forums re FULL of it, specially towards new members ?
Do you think that something needs to be done, about this, or I am talking nonsences ?
Thanks, but appart from warnings, I think you should do much more than that, to mantain a healthy "reputation" of your site, for whatever it has in the game industry...
Finally:
I would hate to leave PPM, due to the above misfortunate happenings., unless you want me to (which will be of course well regarded by the "established" and uttermost - unawared violent members.
Thanks to all, for OBJECTIVE reading (if any - with PPM).
oztronix
11 Jan 08 _________________ "You got model "stolen", and yu'r reputation skyrockets..."
model's "stealing" company QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 18 Feb 2005 Location: Star Kingdom of Manticore
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:22 am Post subject:
Your stupidity knows no bounds.
Look, dude. Thing is, People such as MYSELF who actually plan on going into a gaming career (GSP program at DeVry ftw!), we like our work to be CREDITED, lest somebody throw up the whole deal with that voxel that I modified of Haydn's and called it my own (and for that I am so INCREDIBLY sorry, that won't happen again).. I nearly got banned and pretty sure I got warned.
It's seriously not worth it. Technically, it's Illegal in the United States, and breaks most international copyright laws to take credit for other's work, whether it's down in the patent/copyright books or not.
Last but not least, it's nowhere NEAR impressive. People look down on you.
You really only hurt yourself by doing this.
It makes me wonder HOW people get so stupid. I mean, yeah, Brianprime's ideas are absurd, but they have a basis (yes i'm using him as an example, but we all know that he's my secret sexy lover so it doesn't matter [ily gosho!!!] woot).. Your ideas are just... well... Stupid.
daTS has spoken.
Now.
Time for fun.
_________________ "Reality is a lovely place, but I wouldn't want to live there." -Adam Young QUICK_EDIT
-All models in question are my made models.
(It just happened that we all had the SAME 3DS starting collection).
Explain how did someone else have them, if you are certain you made them?
Prove that its 100% your work, thats all you have to do.
Also it was not the suggestion, at all that got you blacklisted at all.
The fact or <i>possibility</i> that you have violated someone else's work. If you have documentation that states the former then it would behoove you to show us. _________________ Delirium.. QUICK_EDIT
If you made that Humvee (which turned out to be identical to another model made by someone else), why would you request a Banshee model? Surely you super 3D skills could come up with a decent Banshee faster than it would take for you to request one and wait for somebody else to make it?
The point is, you stole someone else's Humvee model and re-released it under your name without crediting the proper author. Not because you suggested that we shouldn't give other people credit. Which, IMO you used so that you couldn't be caught for stealing the model in the first place. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
-All models in question are my made models.
(It just happened that we all had the SAME 3DS starting collection).
We all? In the image below, we have a render by you (left) and one by Carnivean (right) using the files from the original website. Anyone that looks at these can plainly see that you made NO changes to the base model, not to mention the outright disregard for the license on the homepage.
Resized for clarity: They are IDENTICAL!
oztronix wrote:
-I am accused of stealing by the forum members, but: I never did that.
We know exactly where you got the base models from and the license that came with them.
oztronix wrote:
-I am malessed by them, in every possible way (flaming, and personal insults of every kind).
Every reply we get from you is just full of blatant lies. "I didn't steal anything." Even though we have proof. "I made these." Even though again, using the same proof, you are lying. Completely.
oztronix wrote:
-I am Black listed for GIVING SUGGESTIONS on the PPM forums.
(some members don't have enough intelligence to reckognise that what I do are SUGGESTIONS).
You are blacklisted for obvious theft and breach of a license. This is a fact, we've proven the location that you took the models from. You can't dispute hard evidence against you.
oztronix wrote:
-I regret deeply being member of PPM so far, due to the facts above, and
you have no means to regulate: this, being established members: they
are HUMANE ways to say to someone: "sorry, I think it maybe my model".
(NOT violence LIKE THIS without ANY reaction of moderator whatsoever....)
The moderators (to my knowledge) completely agree with what has been posted against you. You just keep lying, how can they help you? Note that all the moderators are completely against your view on not crediting people for their work, as any sane person would be.
oztronix wrote:
Now: If you call yourself a man, use your gutties, and revision the violence done to ME so far, and WARN the members for THEIR mistakes towards me, as well.
It's too bad for you that the members in question have done nothing wrong. We spoke up against an attack on the way this community is run. Your "no credit" view will never be accepted here. I can guarantee you that every artist here would fight this change forever.
oztronix wrote:
Just have a look at their messages to me, if you have the eyes.
(I am doubting your good vision at the moment).
The site policies doesn't apply to "reputation" members ?
Your actions deserved those messages, and insulting the administrator of this site will not help you at all...but by all means, please continue, the entertainment is extreme.
oztronix wrote:
I never stolen anything - I have no need for that.
Liar.
oztronix wrote:
I DEEPLY REGRET BEING MEMBER OF PPM SO FAR, due to ungodly policies
you demonstrated towards people with new ideas, and suggestions.
Your inability to deal with this properly is clearly demonstarted with this fact.
I think we're 'dealing' with you very well actually. You just keep digging yourself into deeper holes.
oztronix wrote:
Also: I found that you don't have any collection of credits-free quality models, and you have no ear to accept new positive suggestions.
You can hardly call zero recognition..."positive"...
oztronix wrote:
At the end, Banshee, I give you the example, where one of "established" members has the following text in his signature for all messages:
"your stupidity is enough reason to bash you"
Do you agree with this, and do you understand what graphic violence is,
and what violence is, and that your forums re FULL of it, specially towards new members ?
DCoder's signature has little to do with the current situation. Many new members actually do very well here. First, they don't steal work and call it their own. They try things themselves before pestering everyone else with questions. You on the other hand are actually not a new member. I've seen you before, and I know you did something almost as stupid the last time because I called you on it and you left. Now you're back again stealing assets. You can't complain.
oztronix wrote:
Do you think that something needs to be done, about this, or I am talking nonsences ?
Nonsense.
oztronix wrote:
Thanks, but appart from warnings, I think you should do much more than that, to mantain a healthy "reputation" of your site, for whatever it has in the game industry...
The site's reputation amongst the communities is much higher than you imagine. Don't talk when you know nothing about the subject at hand.
oztronix wrote:
Finally:
I would hate to leave PPM, due to the above misfortunate happenings., unless you want me to (which will be of course well regarded by the "established" and uttermost - unawared violent members.
Thanks to all, for OBJECTIVE reading (if any - with PPM).
You brought all of this on yourself. There is no other explanation. In my opinion, you deserve it. I hope to never see you on PPM again.
*Takes a bow* Thank you everyone. Hope you enjoyed the show. Last edited by IcySon55 on Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:24 am; edited 3 times in total QUICK_EDIT
And how do you explain those others that you've "created", besides this and that? Don't quote DCoder's sig, you're gonna be bashed for YOUR stupidity. You might think that "established" members and whatnot have some sort of power or whatever, and they will blablabla. If YOU really "made" those voxels, then show us a video of it.
(Nice one daTS ) _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
-I am Black listed for GIVING SUGGESTIONS on the PPM forums.
No, you are blacklisted for "... claiming authorship of other people's assets". Which Carnivean / Suseiseki pointed out, and you didn't refute it except for "I am shure some people here maybe have [stolen]: (how would they know where from these humvees come anyways ?) Want me to tell you where 2 Humvees above are REALLY from ? (I think you know, same a I do...). ". Which is basically "blabla I have proof but I cannot be arsed to demonstrate it". If you have proof, go ahead, show us. If it is valid, I'll gladly remove you, since so far it's not legal to blacklist people just for being excessively stupid.
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-I am malessed by them, in every possible way (flaming, and personal insults of every kind).
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If you call yourself a man, use your gutties
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Just have a look at their messages to me, if you have the eyes. (I am doubting your good vision at the moment).
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Your inability to deal with this properly is clearly demonstarted with this fact.
My irony meter is overloading.
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At the end, Banshee, I give you the example, where one of "established" members has the following text in his signature for all messages:
"your stupidity is enough reason to bash you"
Do you agree with this, and do you understand what graphic violence is,
and what violence is, and that your forums re FULL of it, specially towards new members ?
Nice of you to show me that special affection, but no. There's a difference between "violence towards new members" and "violence against new clueless members who need a good whack on the head to get their grey matter working". pd was new. I was new. IcySon was new. Renegade was new. Clazzy was new. Gordon was new. Kiith-Sa was new. Show me where I or someone else attacked them simply on the grounds of "you're new, bend over". Wolf Dane was new. Sevelys was new. tr8er8 was new. BrianPrime was new. christian93/reborn23 was new. Tactical Trance was new. Yotta was new. handofcod was new. Show me where I or someone else attacked them simply on the grounds of "you're new, bend over". They were flamed for inflicting mental cancer on other, intelligent, members.
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I DEEPLY REGRET BEING MEMBER OF PPM SO FAR
kthxbyebye
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I would hate to leave PPM, due to the above misfortunate happenings., unless you want me to (which will be of course well regarded by the "established" and uttermost - unawared violent members.
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:40 am Post subject:
Re: Banshee's warning about the 'credit me crap'.
oztronix wrote:
Stuff...
Now then, please oztronix, just stop.
This bullshit is just going to get you noob'd, bashed, and creamed, and most likely banned in the end if I remember correctly how the last one went. _________________ ... QUICK_EDIT
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i think the rules for this all are so easy, is it even possible to miss them, if yes....it's really a shame, not only to the modder who uses other resources to modify them without giving proper credits...its a bit poor.... _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
You really only hurt yourself by doing this.
It makes me wonder HOW people get so stupid. I mean, yeah, Brianprime's ideas are absurd, but they have a basis (yes i'm using him as an example, but we all know that he's my secret sexy lover so it doesn't matter [ily gosho!!!] woot).. Your ideas are just... well... Stupid.
For the next forum you join, and post 3d models, make sure:
1. ITS YOURS.
2. And if it isn't make sure you CHANGE it CONSIDERABLY so it does not look suspicious.
3. This whole "Free of credit" just made you look suspicious, and I believe you did it out of guilt because you KNEW it was not your work.
4. DO NOT JOIN TIBERIUMWEB, as most members there are also here. QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Location: Dordrecht, the Netherlands
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:22 am Post subject:
This is a serious request to Banshee, and I think it's from the whole community: please, give this guy a lifetime ban (and also: *requesting locky here*) QUICK_EDIT
In the past, people like ozotronic would have been challenged to a duel by the original creator and shot, but seeings as this incurs unnecesarry travel/pistol costs and effort on the part of the creators of the work just ban him please.
Thankyou, and no I'm not going to shoot him, i just found the idea amusing for a few seconds. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Location: DAS BOOT IM DER OSTSEE
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:46 am Post subject:
Gee, whats with the overflow of rippers and thieves to this community? I mean, holy ztype, one is banned, two more come. Christ. _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject:
Ok, Chiel, you convinced me... topic locked.
In a very short note for oztronix:
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(It just happened that we all had the SAME 3DS starting collection)
By using someone's model as starting collection, you are modifying the person's model.
And the least you could do is to follow the liscense of the content available on that site:
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Anyway, unknown origin files must only be used for personal and non commercial uses and must not be redistributed.
The download of any file does not entitle you to claim for its paternity.
Not to say that, by uploading these files to PPM, you actually made PPM to violate the liscense of that site:
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To be more precise, they must not be distributed for any reasons and by any methods (unless widest rights are granted on the origin website)
This is, indeed, seen as stealing and not tolerated here. Sorry. QUICK_EDIT
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Re: Banshee's warning about the 'credit me crap'.
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