Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:42 am Post subject:
Electro's MIX "Protection" Reverser
Subject description: Command-line tool to reverse MIX "protection"
To community: considering all the hullabaloo raised by this topic I've written a small CLT to deal with the perpetuation of the illusion of MIX "security".
To modders: if you have any irrational fears of your mod vaporizing because of this, get over yourselves.
To users: if you have any intentions of using this tool to publicly rip mods, well, you've got another thing coming.
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Usage: MIXProtectionReverser <mix>
Seriously, get over yourselves. Galaxies won't explode, people won't get slaughtered, the LHC won't create black holes. FFS, your mods will stay intact.
Well, if it isn't written in Turkish then chances are that he'll think it's a recipe for chicken soup.
That and the fact that if he can't use any modding tools, he probably can't use a hex editor.... I know I can't QUICK_EDIT
Apparently the mod apocalypse hasn't begun because of this. Are you sure...
Actually, I'll skip the buildup.
Your concept of this ruining the community is ridiculous. Mods aren't dying.
If anyone posts "Yet.", I'll personally turn them into a toadstool.
This quote says otherwise. As for the "steal their mod" thing, no-ones saying that everyone will "steal their mod" but are stating that asset theft does happen and recently happens a lot (not that it hasn't happened a lot in the past). People lock mix files for a reason and the people that do lock their mixes do it because of this select few that do steal assets. Supplying the community (communities) with tutorials like this one is basically helping the actual thieves to rip assets, now tell me how that is a good thing. Last edited by Aro on Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:43 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
People who are so paranoid about their mod assets being stolen are very egotistical as either
A: The assets will be used in a dickaround mod thats played on LAN. You can't hand mods out on XWIS and claim it as your own.
B: The ripper will post his mod to the public going 'HAI GUISE WATS GOING ON IN THIS THRED I MAKES COOL MOD', and everybody will recognise the assets from their original source. Guy gets blacklisted, ect.
Electro=God.
ps: mods never get released anymore to be ripped. _________________ Victory! QUICK_EDIT
No, I just want modders acknowledging that they were overprotective and were wrong to think that everyone will steal their mod.
Yep. Your words = truth. I totally forgot. FORGIVE ME OH MIGHTY LORD OF THE FLIES!
Volgin wrote:
People who are so paranoid about their mod assets being stolen are very egotistical as either
ROFL. And people thinking they deserve every asset in the known C&C universe arnt?
Volgin wrote:
A: The assets will be used in a dickaround mod thats played on LAN. You can't hand mods out on XWIS and claim it as your own.
No but you can upload it and link it to your MSN list. Who, in turn, link it to their MSN list...
Volgin wrote:
B: The ripper will post his mod to the public going 'HAI GUISE WATS GOING ON IN THIS THRED I MAKES COOL MOD', and everybody will recognise the assets from their original source. Guy gets blacklisted, ect.
Getting Blacklisted is too late, the damage has already been done. PPM isnt the centre of the C&C universe either. We may blacklist them but nobody gives a shit about that. QUICK_EDIT
you guys scare me...you're no politicians are you?
i might be mistaken but the way of how you all in this threat act is ignorant and arrogant, you people with your stupid big ass crisis chit chats scare me really away from this place, and i'm sure i'm not the only one, first this meddling between TI and TO then this and that one comes to another, every second threat is going to give me a headache if i read the first parts of it.
its a GAME MOD community of games wich are centuries (yea centuries) old....look how you cretins behave...i don't want to insult anyone with this personally if i might be a bit harsh in my tone, but i just want to express the anger i have by seeing this crap, i'm NOT feeling well here until you kid's stop this and simply go after your hobby and enjoy it. _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
How can I be paranoid if I think I deserve every C&C asset in the universe? TBH none of the assets for mods out here would fit into my project. :3 Also, uploading to a MSN list really isn't going to distribute to the _world_. Who, maybe 20 people? Jesus christ.
PS, What the hell does PPM's place in the C&C universe have to do with it? 90% of these people here go to other forums and will post there ,and other people who post there will continue to post at other forums. Besides, how many damn C&C modding forums are there that support RA2, and TS? Like, ten? This community isn't as huge as it wishes it was. especially not the Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2 commmunity. _________________ Victory! QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: evanb90 Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Location: o kawaii koto
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:04 pm Post subject:
OmegaBolt wrote:
Electro wrote:
No, I just want modders acknowledging that they were overprotective and were wrong to think that everyone will steal their mod.
Yep. Your words = truth. I totally forgot. FORGIVE ME OH MIGHTY LORD OF THE FLIES!
Volgin wrote:
People who are so paranoid about their mod assets being stolen are very egotistical as either
ROFL. And people thinking they deserve every asset in the known C&C universe arnt?
Volgin wrote:
A: The assets will be used in a dickaround mod thats played on LAN. You can't hand mods out on XWIS and claim it as your own.
No but you can upload it and link it to your MSN list. Who, in turn, link it to their MSN list...
Volgin wrote:
B: The ripper will post his mod to the public going 'HAI GUISE WATS GOING ON IN THIS THRED I MAKES COOL MOD', and everybody will recognise the assets from their original source. Guy gets blacklisted, ect.
Getting Blacklisted is too late, the damage has already been done. PPM isnt the centre of the C&C universe either. We may blacklist them but nobody gives a shit about that.
You're funny. So much exaggeration and hyperbole, no wonder nobody takes your argument seriously.
The 1st and 2nd quote responses, pure bullshit.
The 3rd response, paranoia AND bullshit. I have never seen anybody link out a mod download on their MSN. Its just some scary theoretical scenario to get the uninformed (and ignorant) on to your side. Prove that it happened and maybe it will be noted.
The community blacklist, as Renegade even said, holds no power. Its just information- information that is given to people so that they can make their own judgments. This may seem shocking to you, but each person is an individual, not some member of a collective and is capable of making their own decisions based on information presented to them.
And what damage has been done? Can this damage be proven? I say the only thing that was damaged was the guy with the balls to post their ripped mod. Oh, do you see that?!!!
There goes the corpse of the most ripped mod publisher! Wow, I can't even recognize them after the communities vicious and universal response!
btw, good job Electro. (inb4 I get accused of supporting people like iloo and those evil apocalypse bringing n00b modders) _________________ YR modder/artist, DOOM mapper, aka evanb90
Project Lead Developer, New-Star Strike (2014-)
Former Project Lead DeveloperStar Strike (2005-2012), Z-Mod (2006-2007), RA1.5 (2008-2013), The Cold War (2006-2007) QUICK_EDIT
I'm amazed it took this long for someone to write a tool like this, I pointed out how silly and hypocritical it was to protect mix files back when this kind of "protection" was proposed, especially with all the trouble Olaf and others went to to reverse engineer the format so we could read WW's in the first place.
To those who call it stealing, in no way has any theft occurred even if some moron copies your mod verbatim and claims it as his own work (something they could do even with mix protection). You still have your original unmolested version and can continue to distribute it yourself. The only thing that has happened is that your copyright over any work you have done on the mod has been violated so please stop calling it theft, it isn't! Frankly, who cares if some n00b releases a ripoff version of your mod or units or rules or whatever? Are you really doing this for fame and fortune, because if you are you are in the wrong game. What does it matter if some n00b sees the ripoff mod first and thinks yours is the copy? If such an opinion was voiced anywhere you were likely to read, it would be quickly smacked down and corrected. QUICK_EDIT
Why is thinking that you deserve someone elses mod assets not arrogant if they spent time making them?
EVA-251 wrote:
The 3rd response, paranoia AND bullshit. I have never seen anybody link out a mod download on their MSN. Its just some scary theoretical scenario to get the uninformed (and ignorant) on to your side. Prove that it happened and maybe it will be noted.
Dunno about you but the only mod games I play online are setup with players through MSN.
EVA-251 wrote:
The community blacklist, as Renegade even said, holds no power. Its just information- information that is given to people so that they can make their own judgments. This may seem shocking to you, but each person is an individual, not some member of a collective and is capable of making their own decisions based on information presented to them.
Urm, that was my point. Blacklisting does nothing, thats why mix protection is better. Even though it was never 100% secure it actually worked in preventing many people from accessing the mixes. People had to actually try in order to get in, they had to bother to find out how to hex edit the mix.
EVA-251 wrote:
And what damage has been done? Can this damage be proven? I say the only thing that was damaged was the guy with the balls to post their ripped mod.
It gives a bad view of the original mod. People see the ripped mod, think its shit and then see the proper mod and think "its got the same graphics" and sharing graphics makes them get boring.
The initial opinion on a mod is the most important opinion. It usually lasts, or even deters people from playing the mod in the first place.
EVA-251 wrote:
Oh, do you see that?!!!
There goes the corpse of the most ripped mod publisher! Wow, I can't even recognize them after the communities vicious and universal response!
OmegaBolt why do you even care you never release any mod anyway, expect does crappy ones _________________ "I'll be staying strapped cuse my mac-eleven make my nuts bigger" QUICK_EDIT
Indeed, but I care because I dont want the mods of Apollo, AG, MadHQ and Aro's Twisted Insurrection smeared around.
AG dont use any mix protection on his mods and his stuff have not been ripped into stolen mods
Same with Mental Omega and RS 1.99(expect iloo but he is now gone anyway)
MadHQ does stuff for the community to
Ripping is so overrated in this community _________________ "I'll be staying strapped cuse my mac-eleven make my nuts bigger" QUICK_EDIT
What the hell are you talking about MO for? That wasnt created by anyone I listed and it's mostly public assets anyway.
I'm not talking about mods already having being ripped because that would be pointless. It's the potential that matters. The next versions of RS and AGSA have loads of especially made assets (unlike the released versions). QUICK_EDIT
What the hell are you talking about MO for? That wasnt created by anyone I listed
I dont care about your list, its still a famous mod
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and it's mostly public assets anyway.
there are some exclusive voxels like Iron Dragon,Emperor, Centrioun etc
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It's the potential that matters. The next versions of RS and AGSA have loads of especially made assets (unlike the released versions).
u dont know if anyone is going to rip them
if anyone do relase mod with ripped assets, he will simply be banned
btw this had happend like two times before, and you act like this happend every day. like i said, this issue about people taking assets and release there own mod is way overrated
community handle rippers just fine without leechkiller, no need for leech killer _________________ "I'll be staying strapped cuse my mac-eleven make my nuts bigger" QUICK_EDIT
Lol, banning solves nothing. I wouldnt care, ban me right now, it doesnt matter. Plus, if I cared enough I could simply make another account.
I dont see why people should have any chance of protection taken away from them because a few people say it doesnt matter. Its not up to you whether or not modders want their files protected. You (talking generally) have no right to have a say in other peoples hard made mods.
And that doesnt work the other way around. You DONT have the right to access someone elses exclusive mod files just as you dont have the right to walk into someones home and have a peak at their stuff. (Im not talking about coding here, im talking about graphical assets made for a particular mod) Last edited by OmegaBolt on Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:11 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 26 Nov 2002 Location: Algae Colony On Mars
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:11 pm Post subject:
If someone can list more than a dozen people in the past six months or so who have been seen ripping assets from mods and passing them off as their own/using them without credit then please post it here. Everyone's saying how everyone's just going to steal things from mods but considering how rarely it's done and how harshly others treat these people is this even a relevant argument?
Also, a question to you all. If people used your buildings for cut and paste purposes, would you be annoyed and want these people to get rid of it? _________________
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This is sexier than what this forum was supposed to tolerate. - Banshee
I'd like to go back to the ripping of code nonsense for a moment. Calling to protect code of all things is sheer nonsense.
You never made that code. You just adjusted Westwood's codes and values until you were satisfied with the results. Why are you hoarding the code in this disturbing attempt to make your mod original? Telling people 'figure out how i did this leet code on my own if you want it' really is a hamper on modding. God forbid people take your work and build upon it. _________________ Victory! QUICK_EDIT
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Electro's MIX "Protection" Reverser
