Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:02 pm Post subject:
People who speak Spanish: I need your help
I have to hold a speech tomororw at school about Salvador Dalí, in Spanish. I'm not too clever at Spanish, so I'd highly appreciate it if any of you would be kind to help me correct my mistakes.
I have written so far (more to come):
Salvador Dali nació el 11 de mayo de 1904 en Figueres cerca del huésped francés en Cataluña, España. Su más viejo hermano que también fue nombrado Salvador había muerto 9 meses de anterior. El padre de Salvador era abogado y notario de la clase media. Él crió a su hijo muy terminantemente y con disciplina. La madre de Dali animó los esfuerzos artísticos de su hijo. Cuando Salvadore alcanzó la edad de cinco, le llevaron al sepulcro de su hermano. Los padres de Dali le dijeron que él era reencarnación de su hermano. Salvadore puso la fe en lo que él le dijo. Dalí también tenía una más vieja hermana de tres años llamada Ana María. Ella publicaría más adelante un libro acerca de su hermano en 1949. Más adelante en su juventud, Dalí atendió a la escuela del dibujo. En vacaciones de verano a Cadaqués, Dalí descubrió la pintura moderna con la familia de Ramón Pichot. Él era un artista local que hizo viajes regulares a París. El padre de Dali organizó una exposición de sus dibujos de carbón de leña en su domicilio familiar el próximo año. La primera exposición pública estaba en el teatro municipal en figueres en 1919.
My English text: Salvador Dali was born on May 11, 1904 in the figueres close to the French boarder in Catalonia, Spain. His older brother who also was named Salvador had died 9 months earlier. Salvador’s father was a middle-class lawyer and notary. He raised his son very strictly and with discipline. Dali’s mother encouraged her son’s artistic endeavors. When Salvadore reached the age of five, he was taken to his brother’s grave. Dali’s parents told him that he was his brother’s reincarnation. Salvadore put faith in what they told him. Dalí also had a three years older sister called Ana María. She would later publish a book about her brother in 1949. Later in his youth, Dalí attended drawing school. On a summer vacation to Cadaqués, Dalí discovered modern painting with the family of Ramon Pichot. He was a local artist who made regular trips to Paris. Dali’s father organized an exhibition of his charcoal drawings in their family home the next year. The first public exhibition was at the municipal theater in figures in 1919. QUICK_EDIT
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:11 pm Post subject:
Re: People who speak Spanish: I need your help
Crash wrote:
I have to hold a speech tomororw at school about Salvador Dalí, in Spanish. I'm not too clever at Spanish, so I'd highly appreciate it if any of you would be kind to help me correct my mistakes.
I have written so far (more to come):
Salvador Dali nació el 11 de mayo de 1904 en Figueres cerca del huésped francés en Cataluña, España. Su más viejo hermano que también fue nombrado Salvador había muerto 9 meses de anterior. El padre de Salvador era abogado y notario de la clase media. Él crió a su hijo muy terminantemente y con disciplina. La madre de Dali animó los esfuerzos artísticos de su hijo. Cuando Salvadore alcanzó la edad de cinco, le llevaron al sepulcro de su hermano. Los padres de Dali le dijeron que él era reencarnación de su hermano. Salvadore puso la fe en lo que él le dijo. Dalí también tenía una más vieja hermana de tres años llamada Ana María. Ella publicaría más adelante un libro acerca de su hermano en 1949. Más adelante en su juventud, Dalí atendió a la escuela del dibujo. En vacaciones de verano a Cadaqués, Dalí descubrió la pintura moderna con la familia de Ramón Pichot. Él era un artista local que hizo viajes regulares a París. El padre de Dali organizó una exposición de sus dibujos de carbón de leña en su domicilio familiar el próximo año. La primera exposición pública estaba en el teatro municipal en figueres en 1919.
My English text: Salvador Dali was born on May 11, 1904 in the figueres close to the French boarder in Catalonia, Spain. His older brother who also was named Salvador had died 9 months earlier. Salvador’s father was a middle-class lawyer and notary. He raised his son very strictly and with discipline. Dali’s mother encouraged her son’s artistic endeavors. When Salvadore reached the age of five, he was taken to his brother’s grave. Dali’s parents told him that he was his brother’s reincarnation. Salvadore put faith in what they told him. Dalí also had a three years older sister called Ana María. She would later publish a book about her brother in 1949. Later in his youth, Dalí attended drawing school. On a summer vacation to Cadaqués, Dalí discovered modern painting with the family of Ramon Pichot. He was a local artist who made regular trips to Paris. Dali’s father organized an exhibition of his charcoal drawings in their family home the next year. The first public exhibition was at the municipal theater in figures in 1919.
A little too literal you have in spots but here's what I came up with:
Salvador Dali was born May 11, 1904 in the Figueres near the French border in Catalonia, Spain. His older brother also named Salvador had died 9 months earlier. Salvador's father was a middle class lawyer and notary. He raised his son very strictly and with discipline. Dali's mother encouraged her son's artistic endeavors. When Salvador reached the age of 5, he was taken to his brother's grave. Dali's parents told him he was the reincarnation of his brother. Salvador put faith into what he was told. Dali also had a three year older sister named Ana Maria. She later published a book with her brother in 1949. Later in his youth, Dali attended drawing school. On summer vacations at Cadaqués, Dali discovered modern painting with Ramón Pichot's family. He was a local artist who made regular trips to Paris. Dali's father organized an exposition of his charcoal paintings in his family's home the next year. The first public exposition was in the Figueres Municipal Theater in 1919.
The way it's worded can lead to multiple interpretations in spots. Especially since there is no English meaning behind "Figueres". (I looked on a translator for that term. I never knew of any translation for that)
Is Figueres a town, place or something else? (If it's a town then the last sentence is correct) QUICK_EDIT
Current draft:
Salvador Dali was born on May 11, 1904 in figueres close to the French boarder in Catalonia in Spain. He is known for being a surrealistic painter, with paintings such as “Persistence of memory”. His work was described as striking and bizarre. Salvador Dali was often considered narcissistic, acting unusual and grandiose, drawing attention to himself.
His older brother who also was named Salvador had died 9 months earlier. Salvador’s father was a middle-class lawyer and notary. He raised his son very strictly and with discipline. Dali’s mother encouraged her son’s artistic endeavors. When Salvadore reached the age of five, he was taken to his brother’s grave. Dali’s parents told him that he was his brother’s reincarnation. Salvadore put faith in what they told him. Dalí also had a three years older sister called Ana María. She would later publish a book about her brother in 1949. Later in his youth, Dalí attended drawing school. On a summer vacation to Cadaqués, Dalí discovered modern painting with the family of Ramon Pichot. He was a local artist who made regular trips to Paris. Dali’s father organized an exhibition of his charcoal drawings in their family home the next year. The first public exhibition was at the municipal theater in figures in 1919.
Salvador Dali studied at the Academia de San Fernando. He started getting attention by fellow students. They considered him eccentric and dandy, and he also got attention for his experimental cubism paintings. He illustrated his first book in 1924. The book was the poem “The Witches of Llers” written by his friend and also a student poet Carles Fages de Climent. He was still unknown at the time. Dalí was expelled from the Academia in 1926, shortly before his final exams. He said that no one on the faculty was competent enough to examine him. He made an extremely realistic painting called Basket of Bread, and he proved to possess painting skills. QUICK_EDIT
Salvador Dali nació el 11 de mayo de 1904 en Figueres cerca del huésped francés en Cataluña en España. Lo conocen para ser pintor surrealista, con las pinturas tales como “persistencia de la memoria”. Su trabajo fue descrito como llamativo y extraño. Consideraban a Salvador Dali a menudo narcisista, actuando atención inusual y grandiosa, de dibujo a se.
Salvador Dali era el 11 de mayo de 1904 nato en Figueres cerca de la frontera francesa en Cataluña, España. Su más viejo hermano también nombró Salvador había muerto 9 meses de anterior. Salvador' el padre de s era abogado y notario de la clase media. Él crió a su hijo muy terminantemente y con disciplina. Dali' la madre de s animó su son' esfuerzos artísticos de s. Cuando Salvador alcanzó la edad de 5, le llevaron a su brother' sepulcro de s. Dali' s parents le dijo que él era la reencarnación de su hermano. Salvador puso la fe en lo que le dijeron. Dali también tenía una más vieja hermana de tres años nombrada Ana Maria. Ella publicó más adelante un libro con su hermano en 1949. Más adelante en su juventud, Dali atendió a la escuela del dibujo. El vacaciones de verano en Cadaqués, Dali descubrió la pintura moderna con Ramón Pichot' familia de s. Él era un artista local que hizo viajes regulares a París. Dali' el padre de s organizó una exposición de sus pinturas del carbón de leña en su family' hogar de s el próximo año. La primera exposición pública estaba en el teatro municipal de Figueres en 1919.
Salvador Dali estudió en la academia de San Fernando. Él comenzó a conseguir la atención de los estudiantes compañeros. Lo consideraban excéntrico y excelente, y él también consiguió la atención para sus pinturas experimentales del cubismo. Él ilustró su primer libro en 1924. El libro era el poema “las brujas de Llers” escrito por su amigo y también un poeta Carlos Fages de Climent del estudiante. Él seguía siendo desconocido en ese entonces. Dalí fue expelido de la academia en 1926, poco antes sus exámenes finales. Él dijo que nadie en la facultad era bastante competente examinarlo. Él hizo una pintura extremadamente realista llamada Basket de pan, y él demostró poseer habilidades de la pintura.
En 1929, Dali llevó a cabo otra demostración en París. Era durante este tiempo que él también ensambló a los Surrealists. Él resolvió su gala Eluard de la esposa futura, todavía casado con el poeta Paul Eluard en ese entonces. Él didn' toma de t demasiado de largo para que Dali sienta bien al líder del movimiento surrealista, pero encontrado que coincide con el movimiento más a menudo, hasta que lo expelieran en 1934.
Dali y la gala se escaparon a los Estados Unidos en 1940 durante WWII, donde permanecían hasta 1948. Él se trasladaba ya a un nuevo estilo de la pintura para entonces, centrándose en la religión y la ciencia. Los años en los Estados Unidos demostrarían ser muy importantes. Dali entonces se movió encendido desde surrealismo a un período clásico.
Su salud comenzó a deteriorar en 1982 en que murió su esposa. Él tenía un fabricante de paso implantó cuatro años más tarde y pasó los restos de la vida en el retraimiento. Salvador Dali murió el 23 de enero de 1989 de paro cardíaco.
El trabajo sabido de Salvadore Dali es la pintura la persistencia de la memoria. El tiempo es el tema aquí en el centro, la criatura carnuda que vemos somos una aproximación de propia cara de Dali en perfil. Dominando lo que él llamó " los trucos de parálisis generalmente de ojo-engañar, " Dalí pintó este trabajo con el " la furia más imperialista de la precisión, " pero solamente, él dijo, " para sistematizar la confusión y ayudar así a desacreditar totalmente el mundo de reality." Hay, sin embargo, un cabeceo al verdadero: Los acantilados de oro distantes están ésos en la costa de Cataluña, donde estaba el hogar de Dalís.
English version: Salvador Dali was born on May 11, 1904 in figueres close to the French boarder in Catalonia in Spain. He is known for being a surrealistic painter, with paintings such as “Persistence of memory”. His work was described as striking and bizarre. Salvador Dali was often considered narcissistic, acting unusual and grandiose, drawing attention to himself.
Salvador Dali was born May 11, 1904 in the Figueres near the French border in Catalonia, Spain. His older brother also named Salvador had died 9 months earlier. Salvador's father was a middle class lawyer and notary. He raised his son very strictly and with discipline. Dali's mother encouraged her son's artistic endeavors. When Salvador reached the age of 5, he was taken to his brother's grave. Dali's parents told him he was the reincarnation of his brother. Salvador put faith into what he was told. Dali also had a three year older sister named Ana Maria. She later published a book with her brother in 1949. Later in his youth, Dali attended drawing school. On summer vacations at Cadaqués, Dali discovered modern painting with Ramón Pichot's family. He was a local artist who made regular trips to Paris. Dali's father organized an exposition of his charcoal paintings in his family's home the next year. The first public exposition was in the Figueres Municipal Theater in 1919.
Salvador Dali studied at the Academia de San Fernando. He started getting attention by fellow students. They considered him eccentric and dandy, and he also got attention for his experimental cubism paintings. He illustrated his first book in 1924. The book was the poem “The Witches of Llers” written by his friend and also a student poet Carles Fages de Climent. He was still unknown at the time. Dalí was expelled from the Academia in 1926, shortly before his final exams. He said that no one on the faculty was competent enough to examine him. He made an extremely realistic painting called Basket of Bread, and he proved to possess painting skills.
In 1929, Dali held another show in Paris. It was during this time he also joined the Surrealists. He met his future wife Gala Eluard, still married to the poet Paul Eluard at the time. It didn't take too long for Dali to become the leader of the Surrealist Movement, but found himself clashing with the movement more often, until he was expelled in 1934.
Dali and Gala escaped to the United States in 1940 during WWII, where they stayed until 1948. He was already moving into a new style of painting by this time, focussing on religion and science. The years in the United States would prove to be very important. Dali then moved on from surrealism to a classical period.
His health began to deteriorate in 1982 when his wife died. He had a pace maker implanted four years later and spent the rest of his life in seclusion. Salvador Dali died on January 23, 1989 from heart failure.
Salvadore Dali’s most known work is the painting The Persistence of memory. Time is the theme here In the middle, the fleshy creature we see is an approximation of Dali’s own face in profile. Mastering what he called "the usual paralyzing tricks of eye-fooling," Dalí painted this work with "the most imperialist fury of precision," but only, he said, "to systematize confusion and thus to help discredit completely the world of reality." There is, however, a nod to the real: The distant golden cliffs are those on the coast of Catalonia, where Dalís home was.
And yes, I have used a free translator because I uuberly suck in Spanish. I'd highly appreciate people correcting me. QUICK_EDIT
For example, in spanish, you don't have to mention the nouns or pronouns all the time. So in "Él crió a su hijo muy terminantemente y con disciplina.", you have mentioned his dad one phrase before that. In spanish, you can safely say "El padre de Salvador era abogado y notario de la clase media, criando a su hijo muy terminantemente y con disciplina."
Also, in that phrase, there is an error in translation. The spanish word "terminantemente" means, with an example, when something goes batshit in a thread here an any mod or admin has to lock it, or banhammer someone. That is an act that could be called, in spanish, "terminante".
Also, it could be better if you said, instead of "más viejo", "mayor", as "mayor" has not only the meaning of "bigger", but also the one from "older".
I the first line, I think you meant "border", that being "frontera" in spanish. Also, in the last line there are other translation errors, such as "charcoal", that is "carboncillo" in spanish, and that "next", also in the last line, could be better translated into "siguiente".
Also, just to give it some more style, so to speak, I would use more commas, just a few.
Anyway, It's a well written text, just those errors I pointed out.
By the way, I made a fixed up version of your text, with my modifications.
Salvador Dali nació el 11 de mayo de 1904 en Figueres, cerca de la frontera francesa en Cataluña, España. Su hermano mayor, que también fue nombrado Salvador, había muerto 9 meses de anterior. El padre de Salvador era abogado y notario de clase media, y crió a su hijo muy estrictamente y con disciplina. La madre de Dali animó los esfuerzos artísticos de su hijo. Cuando Salvador alcanzó la edad de cinco, le llevaron al sepulcro de su hermano. Los padres de Dali le dijeron que él era la reencarnación de su hermano. Salvadore puso la fé en lo que le dijeron. Dalí también tenía una hermana tres años mayor llamada Ana María, quien publicaría más adelante un libro acerca de su hermano en 1949. Más adelante, en su juventud, Dalí atendió a la escuela del dibujo. En vacaciones de verano a Cadaqués, Dalí descubrió la pintura moderna con la familia de Ramón Pichot, artista local que hizo viajes regulares a París. El padre de Dali organizó una exposición de sus dibujos de carboncillo en su domicilio familiar al año siguiente. La primera exposición pública estaba en el teatro municipal en Figueres en 1919.
There are two or three fixes I didn't mention before, but you will see what I am talking about, and those fixes are just oter examples of what I said before.
I hope this helps! _________________ Oh god how did this get here I am not good with computer. QUICK_EDIT
I got 4+, which is quite above average. Our grade scale ranges from 1-6 with - or + (no - on 1 and no + on 6) to add more indication. Most people got 3s on this one, the usual average grade is 3 to 4. Therefore, I'm very happy with 4+. QUICK_EDIT
Congrats Crash! I am sorry I couldn't help you more, but I went on a little weekend vacation, so I couldn't connect to give you any more advice, but I hope the information I gave you was useful _________________ Oh god how did this get here I am not good with computer. QUICK_EDIT
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People who speak Spanish: I need your help
