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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:30 am    Post subject:  Before my computer melts
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Why the shit aren't the other fans running?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Holy shit. And I thought I had bad cooling.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I wouldn't trust SpeedFan since it's trying to tell you one core is 30 degrees hotter than the other. Use RealTemp or HWMonitor instead.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Oh pfft, my GPU has gotten up to 89 degrees C.

I have possibly the worst cooling ever, and look how good I'm doing. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

*looks at how good his doing*

yea, exactly how hot has it been going joshy?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm so glad my new gpu will be an iceQ card with it's own cooling grill to the outside world built in. Apparently I can get 15% overclock out of the core easily 0.o

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blown caps, don't even need to read anything. I've never seen it happen from high temps alone, though, that's fucked up. Get a new case with lots of airflow, preferably at the same time as you get a new video card, and do it before your motherboard resembles a Thanksgiving dinner.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm sure it isn't the case because it has more than enough room with 6 fans counting the case fans, mobo fan, cpu and gpu fans(not sure why speedfan didn't detect them). I'm pretty sure it is the room the computer is in, it gets hot in the room real quick once the computer got turned on so I'm guessing the rig was doing its half of the work with cooling. So I may just move it to a bigger room.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Needs more cooling, and a A/C unit nearby.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have seen those "blown" somewhere. If your GPU was overheating, it would be caused by fabrication related defect.

How long did you have it, 2 years?


BTW, I've heard these can be changed by skilled person (in the service) probably, but it can be really messy work (better with micro soldering iron).

Question is if this has been caused just by bad capacitors.

Also it would be good to test your electricity net on overvoltage (I know I have sometimes even 249V instead of 230V, so it scares me a bit. But only 1 PC had problem, that one had fabrication related defect on Athlon 3000+ CPU so CPU died right after 2 years of usage).


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EDIT: OMFG, I've downloaded HW Monitor to my laptop:
Intel Core Duo 2 T8300 2.4GHz
72 °C (min 64°C)/ max 161°F (min 147°F) (High Performance, Battery Saving is just 5°C lower)

GPU is @ 65°C (148°F)
(GeForce 9500M GS)

(I wonder what I would do if my CPU burned out if there would be other CPU compatible with MB
also I've read 72°C is normal in the laptop)

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Build your PC inside a fridge... Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Uh, oh, so max is around 75°C for CPU and 83°C for GPU. @_@

I hope mobile components will withstand this otherwise it will end worse than GFX Card of Apex.

@Ixonoclast: my friend had laptop which worked only under 16°C in the room. Very Happy

EDIT: Max was 88°C on GPU, 78°C on CPU.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ixonoclast wrote:
Build your PC inside a fridge... Very Happy


No, and I will personally hunt down and pimp-slap anyone that I catch doing this. Why? YOU WILL SLAUGHTER THE COMPRESSOR AND OVERHEAT THE MACHINE. Never do it. Just don't. Not even as a joke.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Why not? #Tongue

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well I bought a new graphics card, GeForce 9400 GT cause it was the cheapest one I could find locally, but now I have another problem. Installed the GPU and now it won't even do shit once turned on.

Normally when the computer turns on this is how it runs:
*hit power
*beep is played
*ASUS logo displayed along with choice of editing the boot settings
*black screen with white cursor blinking
*Windows XP Loading screen
*Windows XP welcome screen
*desktop

And since something doesn't work right, the beep never even happens so I know it is beyond the graphics card.

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Athlon 3000+


Also, FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF thats the same one I have...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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the beep never even happens

do the fans start or the light on the front go on?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

make sure your power supply unit is strong enough for this card. A 300W-400W PSU which has to support a lot of hardware (2-3 HDDs, CPU, 4GB RAM ...) could be too weak, thus the card refuses to start.

In addition do newer cards need their own power supply and can't take all power from the PCIE port. So make sure you plugged in all the necessary cables.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have talked to several people and they all point toward the PSU so I am stuck until I can get a new one I guess. I am going to get a second opinion on it from an expert on the matter and have him look at my computer. Hopefully it is just the psu and not the other 18 pieces of it...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I don't want to scare you, but hope it's just PSU and not CPU! Confused

It was CPU what "burned" out (it was really the AMD Athlon 3000+),

First it started when I was playing APB (this is so old mod...)
the game froze,
I had to restart.

It worked for one hour (I turned it off normally).
After few weeks computer was stopping after 20 minutes.

Then I looked into BIOS, lowered CPU temperature.
This helped just for week or two.

Then I couldn't turn that machine on, ventilators were running, diods were lighting, but I heard no beep and screen was black.
I thought something's wrong with GFX card, but the result was:

Result: dead CPU
Solution: upgrade
Cost: 240 € (aproximately)
Components: Motherboard, CPU, Graphic card, RAM

It was 2 years ago (case, el. source and HDD are original).

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm pretty sure the problem is my power supply because the first problem was a clearly dead graphics card. Now the damn "500W" power supply can't handle the new graphics card(the power supply unit runs at around 230W even though it states otherwise)

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

partyzanPaulZy wrote:
I don't want to scare you, but hope it's just PSU and not CPU! Confused

It was CPU what "burned" out (it was really the AMD Athlon 3000+),

First it started when I was playing APB (this is so old mod...)
the game froze,
I had to restart.

It worked for one hour (I turned it off normally).
After few weeks computer was stopping after 20 minutes.

Then I looked into BIOS, lowered CPU temperature.
This helped just for week or two.

Then I couldn't turn that machine on, ventilators were running, diods were lighting, but I heard no beep and screen was black.
I thought something's wrong with GFX card, but the result was:

Result: dead CPU
Solution: upgrade
Cost: 240 € (aproximately)
Components: Motherboard, CPU, Graphic card, RAM

It was 2 years ago (case, el. source and HDD are original).


HAHAHAHA, same thing happened to me about 2 years ago too xD
Screen was black, CPU fans running and everything else, but the PC was pretty much dead. no BIOS, no Startup, just completely black, watch out Apex!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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My parent's PC (that affected) has just 300W source (it's near it's limit, but still enough).

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The power supply isn't really 500W, its more around the range of 230W. I'm going to look for a new one tomorrow. The CPU ran fine when given a new power supply(not mine, a 450W for testing).

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Apex wrote:
I'm pretty sure the problem is my power supply because the first problem was a clearly dead graphics card. Now the damn "500W" power supply can't handle the new graphics card(the power supply unit runs at around 230W even though it states otherwise)


What power supply is it, exactly (brand and model)? If you're going to replace it, please look at this first, if you know what's good for your system.

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