Cameos not working properly. one works, other one doesnt! :O

Tyler11440 · Guest

I Recently downloaded SHP Builder to make some cameos. Why is it that some images that i paste appear perfect as i copied them and others appear very grainy? This happens at random, i do the exact same thing before i paste each image. Im guessing it has something to do with a paletter or the image being to hi-def... does anyone know how to fix this?

BTW, i made a Tesla drone cameo and it looks amazing, this image decided to work. Anyone want it?

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Tony · Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject:

Thats just the terror drone, but we all start somewhere. Smile

As far as the graininess goes in your others, that likely is happening due to the cameo being in the wrong palette, or not entirely matching cameo.pal

Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

do you resize the pictures down to cameo size before you paste them into shp builder, or do you resize them in SHP Builder? SHP Builder has afaik only a very easy resize function that isn't comparable to one from an advance picture editing program that also includes anti-aliasing and filters for the resize.

Another reason could be the cameo palette that has only a very limited amount of colors.

Post an example picture so we can see what you mean with "grainy". Wink

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Tyler11440 · Guest

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:

do you resize the pictures down to cameo size before you paste them into shp builder, or do you resize them in SHP Builder? SHP Builder has afaik only a very easy resize function that isn't comparable to one from an advance picture editing program that also includes anti-aliasing and filters for the resize.

Another reason could be the cameo palette that has only a very limited amount of colors.

Post an example picture so we can see what you mean with "grainy". Wink

Here you go. This is an example. I copy the image directly from something, and paste it. Some turn out perfect and exactly the same, some turn out like this Sad

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Tyler11440 · Guest

And this is what it does when i paste it

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Dark Templar X · Commander **Joined**: 26 Feb 2009

Welcome to the wonderful world of cameo.pal. That's intended behavior. The palette is only 256 specific colors so when you apply the palette, all non-matching colors get converted to the closest RGB value.

Put simply, there's nothing you can do about it.

Crimsonum · Seth **Joined**: 14 Jul 2005 **Location**: Fineland

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Put simply, there's nothing you can do about it.

Except create a new cameo.pal, but that means all of the game's cameos will use the same new palette.

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

The RA2 cameo palette is a good example for a completely useless palette.

20 shades of nearly the same white, zyan and grey, but no primary colours like yellow, red and green.

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This is what i call a good palette. Very Happy

Nearly all colors available and some like the rare used magenta can still be replaced with some more shades of grey, brown or whatever you need.

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Dark Templar X · Commander **Joined**: 26 Feb 2009

Well... LKO... you have to remember, they designed the palette around their needs, not ours. All of the original cameos look good with the existing palette. So. Yeah.

ArvinCool · Tiberian Beast **Joined**: 01 Jun 2008

THANK YOU LKO! I tried to make a new cameo palette for yr before but it was fail. your one is excellent!

I try it out, going to covert all my cameos soon

OmegaBolt · Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:24 pm Post subject:

Well using that palette with SHP Builder none of my cameos would come out good at all.

Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

yeah it was just a fast edit to show what i had in mind.
Which colors are missing and should be added?

the brighter versions of the primary colors on the top left could be replaced for example with a complete rainbow transition from one to another color.

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ArvinCool · Tiberian Beast **Joined**: 01 Jun 2008

I think the light purple colors should be replaced with yellow-orange so its possible to make flame in cameos. and some grey-grey-blue might be needed

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OmegaBolt · Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:45 pm Post subject:

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:

yeah it was just a fast edit to show what i had in mind.
Which colors are missing and should be added?

Well I mean I converted one and it was just greyscaled, converted another it was all funky.

Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

maybe you have done something wrong

i think it doesn't looks that bad, considering the low amount of colors

Also the shown palette was just a quick assembly and not meant as a final palette. For a final palette it should be edited to have the magenta replaced with something more useful, like orange or different shades of metallic grey/blue etc.

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ArvinCool · Tiberian Beast **Joined**: 01 Jun 2008

Left Cameos = Orginal palette
Right Cameos = LKO palette

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001010011100101110 · Commander **Joined**: 18 Aug 2009

Ouch

EDIT: look at the modified crazy ivan cameo!!! Laughing

Mig Eater · Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:33 pm Post subject:

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:

Also the shown palette was just a quick assembly and not meant as a final palette.

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

ok, here is the latest version. I won't do any more changes on this one.
If it doesn't meets your needs, go and edit it yourself. #Tongue

I'll never use it myself anyway, because i don't use/mod RA2.
I've shown you the direction in which the palette should go and how it should be imo.

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Tyler11440 · Guest

Ok thanks, i will try to find alternates that look better.

Cranium · Defense Minister **Joined**: 05 Dec 2009 **Location**: USA

I also found it to be better to change the High Res image to 256 colors with a photo editor. Just seems to make things work for the better, for me atleast.

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0warfighter0 · Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:24 pm Post subject:

OmegaBolt wrote:

Well I mean I converted one and it was just greyscaled, converted another it was all funky.

I bet you opened a cameo in shp builder and then loaded LKO's palette.

You need to copy the cameo, load the palette and then paste it in there.
Do note though: I always use printscreen -> past it in paint -> cut out the cameo -> paste in shp builder again, since copying something in shp builder will cause the outer pixels to disappear.