CnC4

hotrods20 · Commander **Joined**: 27 Jul 2009

I played the game and I... Loved it. It was very unique and mind boggling. I myself have played CnC from the start... CnC4 is a very new direction for the game and all that crap. I have decided to give it a personal review for the hell of it.

Stage 1. Base Building:The base building was removed except for the defensive class. I personally like the idea behind the constant spams of units you can do.

Score 2/10

Stage 2. Resource Gathering:Resource gathering has changed alot now you must send a single ground unit to grab a piece of Tiberium and bring it back.

Score 6/10

Stage 3. Unit Design:The units where made very well and not one of them glitches except for crawlers deploying.

Score 9/10

Stage 4. AI:The AI is set up well to know what to do but spams well over the population limit.

Score 5/10

Total 22/40

DaFool · Defense Minister **Joined**: 07 Nov 2006

why does a game have to have resource gathering? Or base Building? Can't I just be a general and orchestrate a battle? See: Total War games.

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Darkstorm · Commander **Joined**: 20 Jan 2008 **Location**: Texas

They really should've made it that way not this trash hybrid, it is an ok game but it fails in alot of aspects.

Morpher · General **Joined**: 28 Jan 2005

@DaFool, I agree, why should every game have resource gathering? But when it's a series where resource gathering is key to it's formulae then perhaps it will be missed.

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Team SomeGuy · General **Joined**: 18 Aug 2006

"Newbies study tactics, Amateurs study strategy, true Generals study logistics."

Of course, every game that features an aversion of Easy Logistics generally institutes it pretty poorly.

However, if you wanted an RTS that featured actual strategy and thinking, you would need to look somewhere else than the later CnC games.

Banshee · Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:43 am Post subject:

Guys, I've been playing C&C4 for a while and I'm gonna be honest: I prefer the older games because this pop cap is very annoying. But this game has its challenge and its style is not all that bad. But the older games are still better.

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hotrods20 · Commander **Joined**: 27 Jul 2009

This game is great for what it is but they should of named it CnC: Battle fronts or something that isn't 4. The game is great but it just has its down moment's. I personally am waiting for someone to release a no internet patch or some way to set-up a private server that way you can just battle the AI all the time.

Aro · Alcohol Fueled **Joined**: 10 Sep 2006

LoL. I was on the beta team so me and a few others had the pleasure of knowing how crap it was so we didn't have to waste our money on it. I'm no Westwood fanboy and I am no EA hater but this game was just a pile of shit; To each his own I suppose.

0warfighter0 · Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:48 pm Post subject:

I'm not really a fan of the designs to be honest, they're like a combination of Generals + RA3.
I think the designs shouldn't be so "over-the-top".

Stingerr · Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:23 pm Post subject:

Mastodons moving like dogs.. In C&C 3 we had Juggernauts that moved like chickens.. Seriously WTF

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Anderwin · General **Joined**: 16 May 2005

C&C 4 sucks ass, the ending and the story end like wTF? More question and so on...

Anyway why the "mammoth MK II" looks like a dog in C&C 4 O.O

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Stingerr · Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:42 pm Post subject:

Go fetch little doggy! Fetch!

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Dark Templar X · Commander **Joined**: 26 Feb 2009

C&C4 isn't bad. It's just so... unremarkable.

Though... I love people bitching about the pop cap. BAWWW, you can't mass tanks. Get the ztype over it and learn some real strategy and teamwork, you dolts.

Nyerguds · Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:20 pm Post subject:

The one thing that annoyed me is the teching system. So, I was stuck in a mission because I didn't have enough tech, so I replay a previous mission twice, get a few level-ups, and then it's suddenly peanuts.

Seriously, what's the logic in that? I bet no one even dares to come online before they fully tech up first. Because you simply have a huge disadvantage.

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DaFool · Defense Minister **Joined**: 07 Nov 2006

It kinda adds replayability. Play it once normally and then crank up difficulty and try again with teched units. from my experience with the beta, a mid level player has basically everything he needs to be able to compete higher levels. and you get xp even if you lose a match online. Go figure.

I think the offense class is unbalanced because they lack a 2nd thing. Like defense gets base defenses and support gets powers. Offense occasionly gets access to blue tib cores....

@Dark Templar X: The pop cap is (usually) 50, infantry cost 3, medium units cost 6, and larger units cost 8-12. So you're looking at anywhere from 4-16 units. Makes me yearn for Total War scale battles.

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Darkstorm · Commander **Joined**: 20 Jan 2008 **Location**: Texas

Yeah, its like you can only go with one damage type or mix them up and let it be crap stategically.

Total War wasn't bad but I dislike how you weren't doing squat half the time, pure fighting isn't the way to go really. The scale is a little large but I think that TS and RA2 got the perfect scale of battles where they weren't huge but they weren't between 3 units.

@Hotrods original post: Just take off all the points for resource collecting, maybe a little for unit design and you got my rating, resource collecting is just a joke in TT.

Team SomeGuy · General **Joined**: 18 Aug 2006

DaFool wrote:

@Dark Templar X: The pop cap is (usually) 50, infantry cost 3, medium units cost 6, and larger units cost 8-12. So you're looking at anywhere from 4-16 units. Makes me yearn for Total War scale battles.

That's less than what you can get in Warcraft 3! Even more epic fail!

Dark Templar X · Commander **Joined**: 26 Feb 2009

DaFool wrote:

@Dark Templar X: The pop cap is (usually) 50, infantry cost 3, medium units cost 6, and larger units cost 8-12. So you're looking at anywhere from 4-16 units. Makes me yearn for Total War scale battles.

Then learn population management and teamwork. This is why people don't like pop caps in C&C - it limits tank spam. I know it has been the core for MP since Tib Dawn, but it had to change eventually. Not to mention, this is not a solo game. It's meant to be played in teams and, honestly, it makes use of that aspect really well.

toadnuke · Soldier **Joined**: 08 May 2008 **Location**: Florida

Popcaps don't limit tank spam.
Proper balancing limits tank spam.

Personally, I don't see the difference between a battle with 50 of the same unit and a battle with 10 of the same unit.

It's still spam, just on a smaller scale.

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Dark Templar X · Commander **Joined**: 26 Feb 2009

The point is that you cannot just get 30 tanks and go attack. You have to actually plan. Because, I mean, god forbid C&C ever have real strategic value.

Darkstorm · Commander **Joined**: 20 Jan 2008 **Location**: Texas

I'm sorry, but 30 tanks are taken out by 5-10 tesla coils easy. Assuming they are basic tanks, if not, why would you let your enemy get 30 advanced tanks.

toadnuke · Soldier **Joined**: 08 May 2008 **Location**: Florida

Dark Templar X wrote:

The point is that you cannot just get 30 tanks and go attack. You have to actually plan. Because, I mean, god forbid C&C ever have real strategic value.

Right... you just get 10 tanks and go attack.

Like I said, proper balancing is necessary, popcaps are not.

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Allied General · Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:41 pm Post subject:

Well the biggest issue is how you need to be permanently on-line to play a off-line campaign.

To my knowledge only CNC4 has done that so far and its based on a assumption everyone has super fast, stable broadband connections.
Also plenty of normal people have been having trouble just installing it.

The reason why pop cap is being bashed upon is because at say low levels you basically spam one unit and it generally got enough vs to be effective against everything.

e.g. hunter/avenger tanks and building other units is kinda pointless except maybe a titan and scorpion tank or 2 to deal with the crawler.

Heck even on forums everyone was talking how imba defence and turret spam is. Also almost 99% circumstances, the 1st person to lose their crawler is the loser, because the delay for respawn means u can hold unto the flags for longer and spam longer due to zero economy.

The exp cap is just a unnecessary limiter, I don't actually think I've achieved anything when I unlocked stuff.

Its almost like all crawlers have a massive star trek replicator onboard if only limit is time and population cap if you think of it from lore makes no sense.

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DaFool · Defense Minister **Joined**: 07 Nov 2006

They should have made you earn points to buy units with. Not resources, but you level up you get a point, and then you buy the option for a unit, or upgrade, defense etc.

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Allied General · Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:44 pm Post subject:

The game also lacks heavily customisation.

Tom Clancy End War let you basically build a toybox army on a huge scale.

Originally in CNC4 I thought it was massive tech tree where you chose what to unlock

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Darkstorm · Commander **Joined**: 20 Jan 2008 **Location**: Texas

Yeah, the way they did the leveling is trash, buying units with earned points and then customizing each class would be my way of doing it.

Dark Templar X · Commander **Joined**: 26 Feb 2009

Allied General wrote:

To my knowledge only CNC4 has done that so far and its based on a assumption everyone has super fast, stable broadband connections.

Then you've never heard of Assassin's Creed 2.

Allied General · Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:27 am Post subject:

I remember the original was trash but really it sounds like a lame concept ... its basically another forum of DRM which fails.

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Dubzac · Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:13 pm Post subject:

Dark Templar X wrote:

C&C4 isn't bad. It's just so... unremarkable.

Though... I love people bitching about the pop cap. BAWWW, you can't mass tanks. Get the ztype over it and learn some real strategy and teamwork, you dolts.

love that comment i'm going to add that to my list of great comments of all time.

Pop caps are in every RTT game and i have no dish with that, but the AI need not go beyond the pop cap because that just sucks balls.

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Speeder · Commander **Joined**: 03 Sep 2004 **Location**: Czechia

Isn't the final AI level the only one going beyond the pop cap actually? Although I have never noticed that much of a difference between amount of units AI and I have.

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