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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2003 8:37 pm Post subject:
hey sorry i left the forum, my pops made me so i couldn't come back for a while. now lets see Kane you were saying something about God(s). A God is supposed to be all powerful correct? How can there be more than one all powerful God then? then they wouldn't be all powerful, correct again? Pandora's box is just a legend of Asia and China, although they claim they have found it. What was that thing supposed to do again? I mean many religions have been prooven to be rather silly yes, like say umm the Muslims( pronounced moo-slims). one of their people were sent out to find out where the sun set at and he said he saw it go into a marshy bog type swamp. I know that believing that a dead guy can be raised from the grave and become part of the Trinity once again is kinda silly sounding but time and again the Bible has proven to be accurate to everything historically found. the Bible is said to be an anvil which many hammers have been broken upon. _________________ Tiberian Sun Hidden Shadows Mod Leader and Overlord of PPM. Bow down and repent to your master. And go bake me some cookies!
Well, technically, the Christian religion is pretty new. Prolly some time BC, around when farming was invented. As opposed to other religions which are far earlier, so it's more likely that the earlier ones are more correct.
Second, all of this comes back to if you believe te bible is correct, accurate, true, etc. That's subjective. So, God doesn't have to be allpowerful. Additionally, look at the Greeks. Their religion has multiple gods, and it works.
Religion isn't something meant to be taken so seriously. I mean, come on, if god still cared about earth, things'd be a loooot different today. I mean, come on, if I was a god, I'd be doing some stuff on the planet I created.
Oh, and, there's a LOT of things in the christian myths that HAVEN'T been explained, or can't be explained, or have been disproven.
BTW, the Christian Myths are a LOT like the English Language. The people who believe in them think they're the superior ones, were created first, and are the ones everything else is based on. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:34 am Post subject:
I hope you dont mind me adding my two cents. Here is my ideas. Evolution, has facts is happening contaltly and what I beleave in. Creation, I want the facts! not blind faith The bible a book of legends that have been passed down but word of mouth for centuries befor being writen down. They are mostlikly so differnt from the original facts they probably cant even be recognised buy their original creater they have changed so much. Aliens If you say you wher abducted by aliens Id escort you to the nut house personaly. I do think their out there but not here. My favoret question on the topic of aliens is "If aliens are so inteligent, why do they abduct the dummest peopl?" QUICK_EDIT
not to mention this was way before witch burnings lmao. people are retards dont trust nobody cause they all dumb as u. thats my motto. Last edited by Techno on Wed Jun 18, 2003 3:22 am; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
What the hell has witch burnings got to do with gods, evolution, or creation?
anyway, back OT, evolution is generally accepted as the truth, its a scientific viewpoint that humans evolved from apes. However, if you believe strongly in creation, whos to say you are wrong, something had to create the earth, to make it so perffectly able to support such varied lifeforms as you see everyday and how do we know it wasn't some omnipotent being, maybe it was aliens, maybe the human race has existed before and before we were annihillated by some form of armageddon we planted the seeds of life, that one day we could return. i dont know what the truth is, personally i believe in creation, or at least i would like to believe in creation. I really dont care what other people think, not in a rude way, its your decision what you believe, i believe what i want, and so can you, im not bothered what you believe, your all the same people whether your an evolutionist or creationist. The simple truth is, we dont know, we will never know. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2003 2:27 am Post subject:
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mmm witch burning has todo with gods because..... they did that like 300 years ago and jesus stuff came up over 2000 years ago.... that shows how people think.... ans if they killed people thinknig that it shows how ignorant they can be....
u have to know how people view things not just by what they said or wrote down...............
oh yea wtf that has todo with evolusion HISTORY is evolution...
and creation jiber jaber is out of the question because who created the creator........ explain that before u give a god the credit.... QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2003 4:56 pm Post subject:
Christianity was officially founded within 30-40 A.D., oh and who here knows what AD means? post if you do. All other religions other than Christianity, and Jewish are based on the thoughts off man. Every single God is based on a idea man thought was good and slowly over the years he twisted it into something completely different. Hey want proof about the bible? in the bible God said that if israel did not turn back to him then he would destroy the nation, and they would stay that way until the appointed time when they would become a nation again in the end times. i'm not sure where thats at but i will edit this post properly when i do. Now witch burning has nothing to do with this topic except the fact that a certain religion did it, the puritans, who are now no longer a religion at all. who the hell is todo? oh Bhuda didn't come around till 500 AD, Islam i believe my pastor said came up in between 100-300 AD and my pastor makes sure he has all the facts when dealing with historical stuff like that. Now onto who created the creator, The bible makes it very clear that God IS omniscent, omnipresent and omnipotent, meaning he is all knowing all present and all powerful. now onto the timeline question of the bible and hearsay. Almost all the books of the bible were written down in that timeline in which they talk of or shortly after in a few decades excluding the first five books written by moses. _________________ Tiberian Sun Hidden Shadows Mod Leader and Overlord of PPM. Bow down and repent to your master. And go bake me some cookies!
And you know all this.... because? How DO you know that the bible was created when it says it was? And what's this about all religions other than christianity and jewish being invented? Christianity was created the same way as any other religion. Some guy decided he needed to teach people his point of view, so he wrote a big, convoluted, self-contradicting tome.
You say God created the earth? Well, in response, I say that Zeus was a child, rescued by his mother from his father (whom he killed), who became the god of gods, and rules the world to this day. Personally, I think that the Greek religion was much cooler than christianity. I mean, no matter WHAT you did, you were worshipping your god. You're a housewife? Bake a pie, and you're worshipping Hera. Work for the post office? You're worshipping Apollo. Having sex? You're worshipping Aphrodite.
All religions are basically the same, anyway. Oh, and, just as a side note, that thing about the bible being an anvil many hammers broke off of? That's one of the most arrogant things I've heard in a looooooong time. QUICK_EDIT
watch TBN: www.tbn.org for more then 5 mins and if u got even a lil bit of brains you would realize they are very fuc-ked up... and witch trials were a example u stupid newb every race has done stupid shit like that at some time. but they usualy find out its goin too far after they kill atleast 50 people... The bible is just a bunch of BS jumping around the bush jiber jaber that has things to help u in everyday life like when people say 1 bad apple spoils the whole bunch. that helps u in life by telling u not to hang around a dumbass... seems to me that people only been puten words in a puppets mouth and i think u might be addicted to the hope filled fantasy stories. Fantasies are what people dezire so when ur born into this world and hear of this magical book filled with answers to peoples problems and promises that you could only dream of then maybe u might get it through uur thick wanna be educated heads. u cant learn from somthing like a pyramid sceem except that u can be fooled easily.
so when i say somthing like a example of witch trials dont make me explain myself look at the big picture and get ur head out of the bible book for 1 sec and think about the nature of humanity... or what ever the sbject is based on...
u cant opinonate the truth of a god you have to understand it as a whole u cant decide that urself. thats what we call false hopes.
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lastthing. im not on any religions side. and if i have to belieave everything i hear to get into heaven. then i dont wanna goto that nazi training camp lol. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2003 1:10 am Post subject:
Kane, where in Greek mythology does it say if you bake a pie your worshipping Hera? is she the housewife god or something in Greece? Nothing in the Bible contradicts itself. try to find it. you will try and twist and lie and reword your slithering ass through it all. Jesus Christ never wrote anything in the Bible. his apostles did, and they were directed by the Holy Spirit _________________ Tiberian Sun Hidden Shadows Mod Leader and Overlord of PPM. Bow down and repent to your master. And go bake me some cookies!
no they were directed by frog licking and greeks have a god for everything to explain everything that happend in everyday life. from warriors to gladiators and hunters to lovers. even from messengers to black smiths. QUICK_EDIT
Yea, Hera is the god of Home and Hearth, so if you bake food, or anything like that, it's the same as worshipping her.
Also, of course the bible has contradictions. It babbles on about peace and forgiveness, and such, and then it says if you believe in any god but the Christian one, you burn in hell for all of eternity
It's just a story. An inspirational story, but a story nonetheless. Whether or not a religion is true or a god exists can never be proven by a book. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2003 5:08 pm Post subject:
God sent his son to die for us and take away our sins, now that is a gift that you have to recieve no one else can do it for you(hint forgiveness). if you choose to recieve when you die you enter into heaven with God. also if you live right with God he will bless you many times over(hint peace).on the other hand if you do not recieve it you go straight to hell when you die(hint eternity in hell). oh and by the way, there are different degrees of hell, the more debochery you have made, the worse it gets. the part about books prooving things, yes thats true no book can accurately one hundred percent proove a damn thing, but neither can you. _________________ Tiberian Sun Hidden Shadows Mod Leader and Overlord of PPM. Bow down and repent to your master. And go bake me some cookies!
I to am an evolutionist, it just cant be denied that evolution is continually happening and seems the most likely explanation.
Where? Where do you see Evolution happening today? Why are there still chimpanzies, why didn't all of them turn into humans?
I must admit, sometimes I look at people like yourselves and wonder if they really did come about from apes or not... But I'm dang sure I didn't.
The Bible says that God created everything. He didn't need any help, so Evolution is false. That's all the proof I need, but besides that it's completely and scientificly illogical.
The only reason it can survive as a theory and is considered a law to so many scientists, is the psychology it stems from.
The basic psychologoy of the whole theory is this: Man eternally struggles with religion and coming to grips with his own sin, and so some of the more shallow brood concocted a way to believe that God isn't real, yet still have an explanation, however far-fetched it be, for all of the evidence that he is.
That is evolution in a nutshell... If you want me to, I'll come back with a whole list of the reasons that evolution is completely impossible. The odds of it happening have been counted before, and basicly, it's a zillion to a number far less than one... Way too many .0's to count.
To be fair, I haven't read this entire topic, but let me clear up a few things I noticed that were wrong. Someone said that Darwin renounced his own hypothesis of evolution when he died, that is completely untrue.
Also someone said that Christianity was "officially" founded in 30 or 40 AD. That is also wrong. Maybe in the name's sense it was, but Christianity, or faith in a savior (whether he had already come or not) has existed since Adam and Eve sinned in the garden, and God made the promise that the seed of the woman would crush the head of the serpent.
I know I can't convince any of you that Christianity is any more true than you believed it to be before you read this topic, or that Evolution is any less true... But since this is a poll I just thought I'd make my beliefs known.
Lastly, for those of you who call themselves Christians but don't think God could have created the world with pixie-dust "like in an RPG" as Banshee so ellegantly put it, you're forgetting that God is infinite, and all-powerful. If you don't believe in a God who can do anything, then what hope do you have of salvation? How can a puny, limited God, be in control?
For those of you who don't believe in any God at all, that our existance is a cosmic accident, and that everything is just one big coincidence... Well, all I have to say to you is that you have a wonderful immagination.
Good day. _________________ Over and out,
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ive been reading and observing all of the opinions of this topic since the beginning, and i know what i think i believe yet thats not why im posting.. You all have the right to your own opinion but you also deserve others to respect and consider your opinion. i am one of the few people that i know that is open to any suggestion or belief, but that doesnt mean i will think that was but i will consider it and it possibilities.
And also, most of these religious statements are stated towards the christian religion, and christianity was FAR from being the first religion practiced. yet heres a thought to ponder for all you firm christian believers, if God or a god DID create earth, why wouldnt christianity be the first religion? why wouldnt animals or anything else he created praise him as some do?
i know some of those comments make me sound like i support evolution more but i agree with whoever pointed out the slim chances of that being possible. And whos to say? If you believe that you are going to go to heaven when you die then whos to say you dont, or if you think you will live another life, maybe you will. Theres no way YOU or anyone can solidly prove that what you beilieve is true so i would suggest not bitching when someone posts something that contrasts your beliefs! I mean ive considered the Matrix to have a possibilities to actually true in ways. or that are universe is smaller than conceevable in the human mind and that the universe repeats itself infidentally and was never created nor destroyed yet just repeated. so if you look at it that way you bitching about this to other people will do nothing more than piss them off! your not going to prove a point by treating someone like shit except that your an asshole!
And in closing i would like to tell you guys to try and live your life without this headache of trying to understand the whole universe as one person! You only get one life (if thats what you believe) some of us will have eons to live out or lives but anyways i agree that this discussion is now OVER! dont bother bitching at my bitching about your bitching because it wont do ANY good other than make yourself look liek a fewl!
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2003 11:03 pm Post subject:
Just think of it this way, if you die and your right that theres nothing after death then your okay. but if you die and i'm right, you got some problems coming your way real fast.
hey Sk8, could I offer you some advice? go back to kindergarten and learn how to spell again please. it gets kinda hard to read your words. Sorry if i offended you Sk8.
I agree that enough has been said for now, but I may once again stir up the subject just for the fun of debating.
So in closing, i say farewell have a good evening and prepare yourselfs for another dawn in the topic.
Can we all act normal now? I sure hope so _________________ Tiberian Sun Hidden Shadows Mod Leader and Overlord of PPM. Bow down and repent to your master. And go bake me some cookies!
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 4:33 pm Post subject:
well we all get lazy about something every now and then, just some of us more than others _________________ Tiberian Sun Hidden Shadows Mod Leader and Overlord of PPM. Bow down and repent to your master. And go bake me some cookies!
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 1:21 pm Post subject:
I... decided to ressurrect this topic after an insane theory appeared to my mind.
Basically, "the Big-Bang was the impact of an external material hitting our universe".
It's like a meteor hitting a planet, but in higher proportions...
If that material was sent by God, I really don't know. But there are somethings to consider that makes this theory valid:
1) The universe has a surface, previously explained by the relactivity* theory from Einstein.
2) The impact originally created a big hole that, due to pression, it was expanding, creating a big wave in the surface of the universe allowing material to be spread...
3) If material came from outside (since the original material from the universe is the black thing), and the universe has a surface, then the universe has a sky.
4) Considering 1 and 3, the universe has an spheric shape and there are other universes like ours.
That is pretty interesting, very mind shattering info you got there....I heard the universe is expanding...i thought it was the planets simply growing more apart (which is true...in a few millions of years we wont have a moon) but no....the actual universe itself is getting bigger but how, where and why?
and Im a diehard evolutionist, rational and factual, but Im more than just an atheist,...
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There is no concrete proof whatsoever about any god creating anything. If there were a god, why would it make the whole word flawed? It just does not make any sense. In addition, if there were a god why would he not reveal himself? How many wars are not caused by different beliefs? God could unite all the peoples on earth and create everlasting peace. If you make something, do you make it broken? That would be the same thing as creating a game with deliberate bugs.
If there was a god his is ether dead, stupid or has lost interest in this existence.
I believe that man made god, not the opposite.
If we are going another level back, to the universe itself, I do not believe that humans are intelligent enough to begin to understand the universe.
Proofs of evolution
Remains of plants and animals
Genetic remains
Antibiotics immune bacteria
Moreover, why is Christianity the “right religion” and not another? There are more than plenty to pick from.
I am 16 years old and from a small village in the north of Sweden, and already see thing much clearer that people on average. Does it mean that I am especially intelligent? I believe not.
Humans are supposed to be sentient, intelligent and creative, but I see that as a rough simplification. There is only a minority of intelligent people on the world. That also is the prime flaw in democracy.
The majority is often wrong
I do of course not exclude the possibility of a god but all the current evidence point towards a world without god. I am no simpleminded fanatic and with reasonable proof, I am willing to believe.
If you have an entire universe and several thousand big bangs and big crunches, it is very likely that you would get life on one world, and since humanity has not explored any solar systems other than our how can we know if life is unique or even rare?
Since it is not known if big crunches are theoretically possible I used it just to make my point example.
I can explain everything more extensively when I am not in a hurry like now.
I wish that religious people could question their own beliefs instead of bothering science that actually has a lot of evidence.
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:18 am Post subject:
he, i'm kinda both...
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:10 pm Post subject:
well, we'll probably be all nice and dead by then _________________ Tiberian Station
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 1:24 am Post subject:
I dont believe in this theory that some other people call as "Big Crunch"... if the theory I posted above is true, what will happen in some billion years is to have the most distant galaxies shocking with each other, but at that moment, we would already have a military power strong enough to destroy the planets and galaxies that threatens are lands QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:10 am Post subject:
ICBM, you mean? No... ICBM would be ridiculous... I'm talking about a technology to destroy planets, stars or even galaxies! If a ICBM destroys a continent, it's already too much O.o... QUICK_EDIT
Evolution V Creation threads are pointless, noone can prove eather created us.
Also it opens more questions, If it was creation who created the creators? If we were moved from another planet then evolved, who created the ppl that moved us?
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 9:33 pm Post subject:
-Apocalypse- wrote:
There is no concrete proof whatsoever about any god creating anything. If there were a god, why would it make the whole word flawed? It just does not make any sense. In addition, if there were a god why would he not reveal himself? How many wars are not caused by different beliefs? God could unite all the peoples on earth and create everlasting peace. If you make something, do you make it broken? That would be the same thing as creating a game with deliberate bugs.
If there was a god his is ether dead, stupid or has lost interest in this existence.
I believe that man made god, not the opposite.
If we are going another level back, to the universe itself, I do not believe that humans are intelligent enough to begin to understand the universe.
Proofs of evolution
Remains of plants and animals
Genetic remains
Antibiotics immune bacteria
Moreover, why is Christianity the “right religion” and not another? There are more than plenty to pick from.
I am 16 years old and from a small village in the north of Sweden, and already see thing much clearer that people on average. Does it mean that I am especially intelligent? I believe not.
Humans are supposed to be sentient, intelligent and creative, but I see that as a rough simplification. There is only a minority of intelligent people on the world. That also is the prime flaw in democracy.
The majority is often wrong
I do of course not exclude the possibility of a god but all the current evidence point towards a world without god. I am no simpleminded fanatic and with reasonable proof, I am willing to believe.
If you have an entire universe and several thousand big bangs and big crunches, it is very likely that you would get life on one world, and since humanity has not explored any solar systems other than our how can we know if life is unique or even rare?
Since it is not known if big crunches are theoretically possible I used it just to make my point example.
I can explain everything more extensively when I am not in a hurry like now.
I wish that religious people could question their own beliefs instead of bothering science that actually has a lot of evidence.
Question everything
That is THE most important thing
Allright, you really pissed me off Apoc. Let me pick up slightly where you left off asshole. You say there is no evidence that there is no God or that God could even create us in the first place. Lets put those words in a different shoe shall we? There is no evidence supporting evolutionary beginning in this universe at all. One of the three points in science is Observation. No one here has seen something physically evolve. If you have please speak up and show me the evidence in person, I would very much like to see this. Number two defense: Go to a church or Walmart and look in the "Religious section" and look in the third chapter of Genisis. Thats all about the fall of man. Chapter Two: That is about the creation of the world, and when God says that something is 'good' he just doesn't mean that little johnnys a good boy for feeding the dog. God made everything perfect in the beginning, however after Satan was cast out of heaven he came to earth and caused Eve to sin, and she caused Adam to sin(A great thing to point out to your girlfriend when shes saying your wrong even though you both are ). Since man was master over all things, when he sinned everything was affected by it, that is why people die, why women have birth pains during labor and why animals are carnivores. About God revealing himself, he already has. Don't forget to look up some of the other books such as Genisis, Exodus, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Daniel, Matthew, Revelation and several others where God has revealed himself to man, many times to save their hides and they didn't pay attention to the prophets he spoke through. Revelation is about the end times and how he is going to rapture his people from earth and give the surviving population a chance to turn from the antichrist and believe in the one true God. Don't give me the bull crap about God not revealing himself to mankind. His last act of revealing himself was when his son Jesus Christ came to earth to die for us. Oh and by the way, gods can't die dingleberry, why do you think they're gods? If you think I'm berating you or treating you like some special case and singling you out, your wrong. Dead wrong. Ask Banshee if no one else can recall the several Evolution VS. Creation threads that I have started in various forums, :I treat the people who specifically attack God and say that its not possible for him to create us. I don't know about you, but sure would rather be created than come from a ball of sludge sitting on the bottom of the ocean for millions of years waiting to evolve into something with fins or legs or whatever you guys claim they had. _________________ Tiberian Sun Hidden Shadows Mod Leader and Overlord of PPM. Bow down and repent to your master. And go bake me some cookies!
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:02 pm Post subject:
oh come on, no one is going to try and refute what I said? come on guys, hweres the spirit of defending your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandpa the first slug? _________________ Tiberian Sun Hidden Shadows Mod Leader and Overlord of PPM. Bow down and repent to your master. And go bake me some cookies!
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:12 pm Post subject:
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No one here has seen something physically evolve.
- I do envolve. My body is changing constantly, specially when I have lunch or dinner or do a lot of exercises... My size has growed since I was born and my inteligence envolved too .
The rest of what you said is a bunch of bs based on the quote above, which it's a waste of time to comment... _________________
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Yep, cant deny things adapt to certian variables.. Its not only phyiscial features that change, its behavior, the mind setting and such, how the way we do things, cultures and so forth.look at C&C games they evolve too, we had Tiberian Dawn, that was a great game but over time it changed to meet the high demands of gamers.... ,its a harsh cruel world, although it is a great game, we need something more something new and that wasnt so ridged to change, so Ra1 came out and so forth, not to mention since then the greater possiblity of "mutating" the game's 'genes' or also known as the...Rules.ini files for a longer life expectancy creating various species or mods of C&C games, although nothing lasts forever, but something hopefully 'better' takes its place to continue on with the grand circle of life... _________________ Delirium.. QUICK_EDIT
You say there is no evidence that there is no God or that God could even create us in the first place. Lets put those words in a different shoe shall we? There is no evidence supporting evolutionary beginning in this universe at all. One of the three points in science is Observation. No one here has seen something physically evolve. If you have please speak up and show me the evidence in person, I would very much like to see this.
If you want some physical proof of evolution, everything can be proved by a simple experiment. First, you will need rats or any other fast reproducing rodent. One hundred of them should be enough but the more you use the less chance you have of getting any abnormality. Obtain some poison that is strong enough to kill them and find out the exact dose of the specific poison, which is sufficient to kill the rats and give it to them.
If all the rats die, start over with a lower dose of poison.
If all the rats survive, wait for the poison to leave their system and give them a higher dose.
If some of the rats die, you have succeeded with this part of the experiment.
Now you have found out which of the rats have the strongest resistance against the chosen poison. Take notes of how many rats died and how many survived. Let the rats reproduce until you have one hundred again and make the test again. Do not forget to take notes! If you make some decent statistics of the data, you have gathered you will notice that the more generations you advance the lower the casualties become, assuming that you did not let the rats reproduce with any rats not part of the previous poisoning. This test works with humans as well, but due to slow reproduction, I do not recommend the use of humans since the experiment would take several hundred years.
So what does this prove? It proves that the life forms adapt after the environment. Similar experiments as the one above on bacteria’s has lead to the discovery of antibiotics but due to overuse, some bacteria’s have developed immunity to antibiotics just like your rats has to the poison.
When you say that nothing has never been seen physically evolve you are wrong. There has been research on islands that has had a quick climate change and many physical differences have been found on birds, plants and other animals.
How would the animals and plants have survived any climate change like an ice age or any other major change in the environment? In addition, proof of climate changes can be found in the ice sediments on Antarctic, go and have a look for yourself.
How would genetic engineering work without evolution? It requires evolution to work and genetic engineering has already been done on plants and insects. Some of those plants are used for agriculture and is sold in supermarkets. A good example of a failure is the killer bees. The scientists wanted a good honeybee that would reproduce quickly. The big mistake of the experiment was that the bees spread in nature. The most important thing for genetic experiments is control.
No matter if, you are religious or not you have to accept evolution as a fact, evolution is in fact not even a theory anymore.
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Number two defense: Go to a church or Walmart and look in the "Religious section" and look in the third chapter of Genisis. Thats all about the fall of man. Chapter Two: That is about the creation of the world, and when God says that something is 'good' he just doesn't mean that little johnnys a good boy for feeding the dog. God made everything perfect in the beginning, however after Satan was cast out of heaven he came to earth and caused Eve to sin, and she caused Adam to sin(A great thing to point out to your girlfriend when shes saying your wrong even though you both are ). Since man was master over all things, when he sinned everything was affected by it, that is why people die, why women have birth pains during labor and why animals are carnivores.
Let me tell you a difference between science and religion. In science thing are compared, questioned and everything has to work together like a puzzle. If everything fits together and is explainable, it is correct. Religion is about believes, science is about the truth. Christianity is based on a book more than thousand years old written by different authors, while science is base on observations and experiment of our surrounding. What is most likely correct?
I could write an own book. I would start with:
Since everything I, experience is from my perspective I assume that I am the same thing as the main character in a story and the world bends itself around me. Therefore, I assume that I am GOD.
If this was written in a book, about me does it make it true? Always question.
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About God revealing himself, he already has. Don't forget to look up some of the other books such as Genisis, Exodus, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Daniel, Matthew, Revelation and several others where God has revealed himself to man, many times to save their hides and they didn't pay attention to the prophets he spoke through. Revelation is about the end times and how he is going to rapture his people from earth and give the surviving population a chance to turn from the antichrist and believe in the one true God. Don't give me the bull crap about God not revealing himself to mankind. His last act of revealing himself was when his son Jesus Christ came to earth to die for us. Oh and by the way, gods can't die dingleberry, why do you think they're gods? If you think I'm berating you or treating you like some special case and singling you out, your wrong. Dead wrong. Ask Banshee if no one else can recall the several Evolution VS. Creation threads that I have started in various forums, :I treat the people who specifically attack God and say that its not possible for him to create us. I don't know about you, but sure would rather be created than come from a ball of sludge sitting on the bottom of the ocean for millions of years waiting to evolve into something with fins or legs or whatever you guys claim they had.
If god has revealed himself could you ask him is I can get an appointment? There are some things that I would like to ask him.
Could you clarify “why do you think they're gods?” Does this mean that you believe in more than one god?
Moreover, you have fallen in the “god is dead” trap, which I anticipated.
I interpret the answer you have given me to “god is all-knowing and all-powerful”. This also means that god knows the future as well as the past therefore; he knew that satan would cause Eve to sin and apparently he didn’t do anything to stop it. In addition, if god is all-powerful why does he let satan live? He does not even have to snap his finger to do that if he is all-powerful. Therefore, this means that he can impossibly be all-powerful and therefore he can be dead.
Do not forget that I am not attacking god like I said in my previous post.
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I do of course not exclude the possibility of a god but all the current evidence point towards a world without god.
Apparently, you must have missed that, I am only questioning religions.
Do you know why a person believes in things? Why do you believe in god? The most likely reason is that the individual has been taught the “truth”. Parents have a strong influence on their children especially when they are young. Other reasons are that they want it to be that way. If I could decide, what the world would look like it would be very different. It may also depend on that they are freighted by it. If everybody says, you are going to hell if you do not believe in god wouldn’t it push you towards believing?
You should not take my posts to personally; I do not intend to “convert” anyone, in fact, my theories on how society should be uses a very different method to assure that everyone has similar believes.
There is no good and evil, and no right or wrong, but there is a better and worse.
You should not see everything in black and white. QUICK_EDIT
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 3:11 am Post subject:
mutant C&C theory
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wrong mutations in human cells may also cause cancer...
Yea,I know about 99.9% of genetic mutations have negative effects........ I wasnt talking about genetics mainly behavioral adaptations such as cultures, trends and such since evolution doesnt require any physical adaptations...we humans are evolving somewhat everyday not physically but mentally. I just was using evolution in terms of C&C and modding as an example, since is something we can all relate to. I was making modding seem like it was the 'mutation' factor of C&C games, since we have these many mods, or 'species' of the game, and not all mods are perfect...crashes and bugs..but mutations are random errors of DNA coding or exposure of elements that would create such errors, but keeping in mind the modder is altering the coding of the game for better or worst...Cancer is a cell that reproduces at an exponental rate which is a problem with living organsims since it damage internal organs which it then would be deemed as a "malicous tumor"...I admit it is not random but exposing the games "DNA" to something that would cause change to the original coding...therefore creating a newer species, except for the reproduction part...
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i dont....I plan on living.....Forever!!!!
