What's better?

Comr4de

Which one is better:

The Intel Core i5 650 3.20GHz or the AMD Phenom2 X6 1055T 125W 2.80GHz
The difference is only €4,-

Atari2600 · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:12 pm Post subject:

I suggest the AMD processor. 6 cores vs 2 cores? Hah!

If you take two processors that are considered equal in terms of processing capability from AMD and Intel, almost all of the time the Intel will have to be at a higher clock speed to stay at the same level as the AMD.

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FurryQueen · General **Joined**: 24 Jul 2010 **Location**: Liyue

uh, other way around, Atari2600. Intel processors absolutely smash equivalent AMD's. Granted a dual-core versus a hex-core isn't a fair fight and the AMD in this case probably edges out the i5 650 by the very fact it has more cores. But if you place a Phenom X2 against the i5 650, that AMD will get destroyed. Incidentally, the Core i5 quads will absolutely obliterate any AMD hex core. And the i7 quads? Man... AMD doesn't have a chance.

However, the choice is really up to the user. Me, I would say the Intel based on the fact that the average consumer (gamers included) will never utilize the full potential of a hex-core processor at this time. Just ain't gonna happen. Gamers barely scratch the surface of quad core processors.

[EDIT] Don't take any of that as AMD-bashing. While I'm not their biggest fan, AMD makes fantastic business-class processors and they're amazing for budget builds. But if you need more raw oomph, you absolutely have to use an Intel.

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Atari2600 wrote:

If you take two processors that are considered equal in terms of processing capability from AMD and Intel, almost all of the time the Intel will have to be at a higher clock speed to stay at the same level as the AMD.

That was 5+ years ago. Nowadays Intel processors are generally much faster than AMD ones, although AMD still provides good performance for their low price.

Looking at some performance comparisons, I'd take the Phenom II X6 1055T although the performance difference isn't very large. However you might want to look at other (quad-core) Core i5's, Core i7s and the Phenom II's, since not many applications can use the full power of hexacores (and as such the i5 might provide better performance in some applications).

EDIT: Oh well, Fen posted while I was typing.

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Atari2600 · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:08 pm Post subject:

^Rampastein wrote:

That was 5+ years ago. Nowadays Intel processors are generally much faster than AMD ones

Since when? I was under the impression... well you saw what I wrote.

FurryQueen wrote:

Me, I would say the Intel based on the fact that the average consumer (gamers included) will never utilize the full potential of a hex-core processor at this time.

^Rampastein wrote:

However you might want to look at other (quad-core) Core i5's, Core i7s and the Phenom II's, since not many applications can use the full power of hexacores

Yes, this is very true until the majority of programs are properly parallelized in their design, having multiple cores is not that useful. And even when most of the market produces parallelized code, no program is theoretically capable of being 100% parallelizable. It simply is not doable.

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Clazzy · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:19 pm Post subject:

Apparently, according to PassMark the AMD processor is (quite significantly) more powerful. Of course, take benchmarks with a pinch of salt (they're here and here by the way). Looking at the ratings, it seems that the Phenom II X6 processors are (in general) faster than Core i5 but slower than Core i7.

Also, just because programs don't utilise multiple cores it doesn't mean that having the extra cores is pointless. Remember that you can have multiple programs running happily or give background processes their own core.

EDIT: Here's a benchmark comparing to other processors by Hexus. It doesn't compare to the i5 650 but it compares to the 661 which I imagine isn't far off performance-wise. It seems that the Phenom thrashes it every time but has higher power consumption when both idle and under load.

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Clazzy wrote:

Also, just because programs don't utilise multiple cores it doesn't mean that having the extra cores is pointless. Remember that you can have multiple programs running happily or give background processes their own core.

That's the most important advantage of having multiple cores and is imo the reason why the AMD is in this case preferable. I don't want to miss any core when i record 2 tv-programs, encode a video, listen to music and model something in 3dsmax all at the same time. A dual core might reach its limits there already, but my quad core Phenom 9950 works without any lags.

So i would definitely take the AMD Phenom2 X6 1055T instead of the intel.

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Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:

...I would definitely take the AMD Phenom2 X6 1055T instead of the intel.

This ^
Have you seen what having just one more core does for rendering? I wish I had 6.

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FurryQueen · General **Joined**: 24 Jul 2010 **Location**: Liyue

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:

So i would definitely take the AMD Phenom2 X6 1055T instead of the intel.

That's only preferable if you need to use that much power. If not, it's a waste of resources, and, usually, cash.

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DaFool · Defense Minister **Joined**: 07 Nov 2006

The difference is only 4 (euros?).

I wonder if I should upgrade my (probably ancient) amd athlon 5600+

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FurryQueen · General **Joined**: 24 Jul 2010 **Location**: Liyue

You should, but I'm sure that would require a new mobo and RAM to go with that processor.

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Atari2600 · Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:43 am Post subject:

Clazzy wrote:

Also, just because programs don't utilise multiple cores it doesn't mean that having the extra cores is pointless. Remember that you can have multiple programs running happily or give background processes their own core.

Yes, is this is where multiple cores come in handy. However, when it comes to devoting most of your resources to just one task and running it well, then it better be parallelized or else your multiple cores are useless.

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What Furry said, really, Intel has the upper hand in Processors, though AMD has the upper hand in GPUs. Until AMD releases a new platform/socket for a new series of processors, Intel dominates the CPU market with pure firepower right now.

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Comr4de · Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:44 am Post subject:

This is what I was originally inteted to buy (what is relevant in this case):

- AMD Phenom2 X6 1055T 125W 2.80GHz
- 4096MB DDR3 Memory
- ATI HD 5770 Fan 1024MB DDR5

BTW, the i5 processor is a Quad Core edition.

So the facts are these:

The AMD is better than the Intel processor.
But people tell me a hex-core is too much and I should prefere a quad-core AMD processor, this one: X4 955. From my point of view, the X4 has my prefer, because the financial situation.

EDIT:
What colour would be best, red or green as the case, l00k:

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Green, everybody does Red. #Tongue

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Yuri Legends · Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:48 pm Post subject:

For me is green, red is evil IMO.

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Comr4de · Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:04 pm Post subject:

Hmm, it is the (I think) most common Game-related colour. I am not that font of the 'turbo' and 'raptor' words, they look a bit childish to me.

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OmegaBolt · Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:05 pm Post subject:

Green is for envy, Ordos and Alien. Go for that.

Comr4de · Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:13 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I made my discision, thats the one.
Any recommendations for the CPU / GPU?
This is (according to another forum) a good combination.

- AMD Athlon2 QuadCore X4-640 3,0GHz (Yes, its changed)
- ATI HD 5770 Fan 1024MB DDR5

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Atari2600 · Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:42 pm Post subject:

Comr4de wrote:

- ATI HD 5770 Fan 1024MB DDR5

Well, I know for sure that you will be happy with the ATI (AMD) graphics card.

One of my roommates has that one, and he has yet to find a game he can't play at full specs on it.

Also, since when are red & green the most popular case colors? I've seen many more blue ones. Heck, my case lights were all blue, and I replaces them with amber ones... cept for my RBG front fan, I love it too much.

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Comr4de · Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:32 pm Post subject:

Atari2600 wrote:

Comr4de wrote:

- ATI HD 5770 Fan 1024MB DDR5

Well, I know for sure that you will be happy with the ATI (AMD) graphics card.

One of my roommates has that one, and he has yet to find a game he can't play at full specs on it. What resolution does he play at?

You know how happy I am to hear that from someone. People keep telling me its a bad card, though fps are above 20/25 in almost every game. Thats my minimum. And all this for just €530,-... Damn these prices drop everyday, luckily for us they do Razz

Comr4de · Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:11 pm Post subject:

Atari2600 wrote:

Comr4de wrote:

- ATI HD 5770 Fan 1024MB DDR5

Well, I know for sure that you will be happy with the ATI (AMD) graphics card.

One of my roommates has that one, and he has yet to find a game he can't play at full specs on it.

What is the exact name of his graphics card,

- ATI Radeon HD5770
- ATI HD 5770 (isnt that the same)
- ATI HD 5770 IceQ5
- ATI MSI R5770-PMD1G

There is a difference in those cards, so I would like to know which one he uses.

Atari2600 · Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:12 pm Post subject:

It's either of the first two... but I don't remember which brand actually manufactured it.

My friend usually plays at 1200 or by 1000 or so, I can't remember his specifics at the moment. He's limited by the type of monitor he selected.

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