Joined: 22 Nov 2010 Location: Iszkaszentgyorgy, Hungary
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:14 pm Post subject:
Ares 0.1: EMP Layers
Subject description: BEWARE: Not suitable for newbies. Requires advanced understanding... and it won't promote.
Problem: While Ares differs EMP and Damage, they still share the Verses, so you can't have a weapon which can only damage a target but not EMP it.
Credits goes to Speeder for finding the problem, Marshall for his glorious Immunity tutorial within the Ares Manual, without it I couldn't do this and DCoder for telling me that Warhead anims are played on the cell and not on the unit.
I found a workaround by delivering only the EMP with the weapon and delivering the damage through the warhead's animation, using the fixed animation damage.
OK, first I show you a working example, where the Tesla Trooper gains EMP which he can't use against Harvesters, then I try to explain how's this works.
Code:
;Rulesmd.ini
[ElectricBolt] ;Tesla Trooper's original weapon, only modifications are listed
Damage=1;was 50, needed to play the animation.
Warhead=TTroopRShock; new warhead to deliver the EMP.
[TTroopRShock]
Verses=100%,100%,100%,85%,0%,100%,50%,50%,50%,200%,100% ;Note: Medium is 0%
InfDeath=5
Wood=yes
; SJM: No piff-piff animation -- electric bolts now spawn spark systems instead.
AnimList=RTTROOP ;New animation
Versus.medium.ForceFire=yes ;Ares Immunity
Versus.medium.Retaliate=yes ;Ares Immunity
Versus.medium.PassiveAcquire=yes ;Ares Immunity, only with these three lines, the weapon will auto-attack even if it's at 0% on Verses. Repeat them for all immune ArmorType.
EMP.Duration=5 ;This is what we want.
[Shock]
CellSpread=.3 ;Add it to work.
;Two new anims
[RTTROOP]
Damage=50 ;Here comes the damage
Warhead=Shock ;Using Shock
Normalized=yes
Image=TSTIMPCT ;But to use the old anim
End=0 ;Damage is delivered per frame, we have to play only the first one with this animation!
Next=TTROOPATT ;And play the else with another one.
OK, now the logical part. We have two ways to deliver EMP and Damage: Animations and Weapons. As tested, animation warheads ignore EMP, so we have to use the weapon the deliver the EMP. This leaves Damage to be delivered by the animation. To make targets immune to this EMP weapon, we have to use 0% in Verses. That's where 0%-1%-2%-behaviour customization comes in, enabling all three will enable auto-attack, while still keeping the target immune and play the animation... what we needed. Now we're done with the EMP, let's work on Damage. Adding a simple Damage and Warhead will work... but only against buildings if the Warhead doesn't have a CellSpread. This is because Warhead anims are played on the cell, and not on the unit... and WW's coding considers only BuildingTypes as part of the cell. Units are just occupiers. However, at the GGI, WW also shown that CellSpread below 1 are also works, so a CellSpread .3-.5 is enough to damage only the correct target (Well, .5 is maybe much against infantry). Also, Animation damage is delivered with every frame, so to not have DPS weapons, you have to create another animation to play all the frames and let this damaging one play only the first frame of the animation.
In a nutshell, pros:
EMP and damage customization per ArmorType.
Possibility to create DPS weapons with only using up the Animation Damage findings.
Cons:
Needs one animation per damage
Needs one animation per firing animation
Needs a new warhead as well
Needs CellSpread.
Major flaw: Untrainable. Crap. Thanks, AG for pointing that one out.
Disclaim: This is a C'n'P of my original finding posted at RenProj. If a moderator considers this isn't a tutorial, feel free to move it out.
Nice tut. If I understand this correctly, you're making an EMP weapon that delivers damage and the EMP effect with different verses right? _________________
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Joined: 22 Nov 2010 Location: Iszkaszentgyorgy, Hungary
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:43 pm Post subject:
Correct.
While Ares's EMP doesn't use EMEffect and uses it's own EMP version (Which is IMO more flexible) Verses are shared.
But with this, it isn't anymore. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:36 pm Post subject:
emp
Like the Vxl _________________ I am authorized to send out the TMP Studio, PM ME IF YOU WANT IT And check this out, these were sent to me for help with terrain and zdata help along with TMP Studio/Builder
Yeah promotion is an issue unless Ares made up some magic that connects arbitrary animation linked to warhead animation through Next= to the firer of the weapon. Yeah... Probably not.
Also I hope no one in their right mind will use this code as is, for let's say Tesla Trooper as an example. An EMP effect lasting 5 frames every single time it shoots a vehicle? A word: pointless. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 22 Nov 2010 Location: Iszkaszentgyorgy, Hungary
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:38 pm Post subject:
@Nikademis: Azri's Voxel Pack 1.
@AG: OH CRAP. :bang: I was under the intention it works because MakeInfantryOwner can be chained. I hate myself.
@Starkku: 5 frames are pointless? Sorry to say, but no. This 5 frames we're speaking of is typically enough for annoyance. When the unit is attacked with EMP it reverts to it's default state, losing it's target. Retargeting and firing also takes some time. You may won't believe this, but two 5-frames EMP infantry can totally screw up a Kirov. It's micromanagement and there to simulate an overcharge of electric systems. Sounds stupid, but it worths more than it looks. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:48 pm Post subject:
emp
I thought maybe he made the vxl. _________________ I am authorized to send out the TMP Studio, PM ME IF YOU WANT IT And check this out, these were sent to me for help with terrain and zdata help along with TMP Studio/Builder
Instead of being a complete Jackass! Why dont you give some advice on how to better it. _________________
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Isn't there already a several years old tutorial explaining this "workaround" for tiberian sun? _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
Joined: 19 Aug 2009 Location: Moscow State University
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:48 am Post subject:
well.because my way is to totally abandon animation damage,different from the beginning.cannot adjust the original tutorial.my tutorial may solve the promotion problem
also will include mine layer tutorial,as i saw in bughouse.using ares we should use some new effects.
that will be tutorial for ares emp mine layer.a mine is gone when it is triggered so you cannot see promotion.but if another unit is using adjusted weapon,it can promote.already confirmed by experiment.
net service is under repair these days.im using my phone.so cannot post any code.within one or two days you will see that tutorial.
Joined: 22 Nov 2010 Location: Iszkaszentgyorgy, Hungary
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:29 am Post subject:
You're still arrogant and egoist as usual. That's what jackass means. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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Contributions: EE Fixpack | Enhanced Edition Trilogy | DSotSC (Trilogy) | UB_IWD | SotSC & a lot more... QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 19 Aug 2009 Location: Moscow State University
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:03 am Post subject:
why,the original tutorial has the problem and i just pointed it out and claimed to write a better one.anything wrong?or something in my words matter,but i didnt realize.english is a foreign language for me.
edit:hard to say which method serves better.my method works perfect on massive warheads(cellspread>.5),but almost useless with normal battle tank weapons.if you dont want any massive weapon with emp,better use animation damage.
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Ares 0.1: EMP Layers
