Crystal Growth

Zero18 · Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:05 pm Post subject: Crystal Growth

I'm making new ore image for my mod, though I would like to know what people's feedback on this ore. I don't think I'm doing too bad for this one (on the lighting part.)

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MasterHaosis · General **Joined**: 01 Nov 2010 **Location**: Serbia

Sub-Zero18!
Well, its hard to tell from here. It look cartoonish, but I like it.
You should post some ingame pictures.
I would like to see blue version too.

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DaRkGlAcEoN · Rocket Cyborg **Joined**: 13 May 2013 **Location**: Canada

I agree with MasterHaosis

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Zero18 · Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:41 pm Post subject:

in-game view

Without the black border. It looks like this.

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

Sorry, but it looks bad. Like a 80s/90s EGA 16 color sprite for a top down view puzzle game.

-black outline = bad. remove it. a dark line around sprites never looks good in C&C
-circle round shape = not isometric and thus not matching the ingame view
-colors = too simple
-alignment = too artificial. placing the smaller parts in well visible patterns is bad and not realistic at all. It also makes it very easy to see the separate patches. To be convincing you have to place them on random places.

search on google for some good looking crystals. Then use them as a pattern. If you have luck, you might even find one from a bird-perspective so you only have to resize it down.

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Cranium · Defense Minister **Joined**: 05 Dec 2009 **Location**: USA

they look too flat, but a nice approach.

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Zero18 · Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:59 pm Post subject:

second attempt at making the crystal

And, this surprises me, I got shadow error and invisible crystal in-game glitch. Only outer end of the ore field works fine... Weird

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Exley · Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:36 am Post subject:

you'd get better results by ripping crystals from Nox #Tongue

(and ofc fix the angles)

this 2 colored thingy is terrible #Tongue

Zero18 · Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:42 am Post subject:

Exley wrote:

... this 6 colored...

fixed... I will check Nox out. I might just leave ores as it is for now.

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Graion Dilach · Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:50 am Post subject:

You need 20 frames + 20 dummy shadow frames per shp and all 20 variants must be valid.

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Zero18 · Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:55 am Post subject:

Omfg, if Westwood made ores by hands, they must be so hardcore!

Okay. Back to shping.

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Exley · Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:59 am Post subject:

graphically no much details is big + for this older games like TS and RA2
just look the shitty detail on the RA2 ore #Tongue

not to mention simplicity of TS crystals

in fact the only complicated thing is to make growth frames

m7 · Commander **Joined**: 17 Apr 2009

I think the blue crystals look cool.

Zero18 · Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:14 am Post subject:

Though it fits the feeling of Tiberium... #Tongue

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Orac · Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:16 am Post subject:

Zero18 wrote:

Omfg, if Westwood made ores by hands, they must be so hardcore!.

I'm pretty sure they made most assets in 3D.

Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

Graion Dilach wrote:

You need 20 frames + 20 dummy shadow frames per shp and all 20 variants must be valid.

actually only 12 frames + 12 shadow frames. In total 24 frames per shp.

For flat ground are also only the first 12 different tiberium overlays necessary. The additional 8 patches are only used on slopes. (Thus the problem with IE's when mappers place the flat ground patches on slopes)

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Atomic_Noodles · Defense Minister **Joined**: 05 Oct 2011

First Attempt looks like Green Gumdrops. Laughing

If your going for a 16-Bit 80s-90s Art Style Total Conversion it might fit.

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Graion Dilach · Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:32 am Post subject:

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:

For flat ground are also only the first 12 different tiberium overlays necessary. The additional 8 patches are only used on slopes. (Thus the problem with IE's when mappers place the flat ground patches on slopes)

In TS, maybe. But he posted RA2. That doesn't apply to that one. First point is correct, I was tired when I wrote that post.

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Mig Eater · Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:20 pm Post subject:

I'm having the same shadow errors with some of my tib/ore... I gave up & just replaced the shadows with blank frames in the end :/

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^^^ same here

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Zero18 · Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:38 pm Post subject:

I was actually trying to convert the ore color to green, but after finding out how long and painful process it is. If I was going to change the palette, that would include redoing the terrain since it uses urban.pal. (or urb.pal - don't remember which one exactly.)

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Mig Eater · Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:28 pm Post subject:

I've tried making a custom pal for ore/gems in the past & it fecked up all the voxels in the game! It must be used in conjunction with unittem.pal somehow when drawing vxls :/

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Zero18 wrote:

If I was going to change the palette, that would include redoing the terrain since it uses urban.pal.

Ore/tiberium uses temperat.pal. And it's the only thing that uses that palette. You can edit it safely, except for one issue, see below.

Mig Eater wrote:

I've tried making a custom pal for ore/gems in the past & it fecked up all the voxels in the game!

There is indeed an issue with temperat.pal, that if any color in it is duplicated, all voxels in the game will use wrong colors for the indexes with duplicated color. If you, for example, change colors #60, #121 and #222 of the temperat.pal palette into 0,0,0 color, then voxels will also use color #60 from the unittem.pal for #121 and #222 indexes.
As long as you don't duplicate colors, it will work fine.

Mig Eater · Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:20 pm Post subject:

lol wat... Well unittem has better colours then temperat so I might just replace it with that.

Any way, funky shadow error...?

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Graion Dilach · Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:20 pm Post subject:

http://www.ppmsite.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=464614#464614

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MasterHaosis · General **Joined**: 01 Nov 2010 **Location**: Serbia

Zero18, how is your progress with crystals?

I am never messing with them, they share some problem with TS crystals, something with shadows

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Zero18 · Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:52 pm Post subject:

I abandoned it. Confused

I'm fine with ores for now.

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