Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:45 am Post subject:
If you ever make a Globotech campaign
Would you mind explaining more in detail how it got some of it's units like the SSAM launcher. You can say maybe Globotech went on a salvage operation later on too acquire one of the last remaining SSAM launcher technology that Nod abandoned. Something like that i guess.
Edit: Also I think Globotech needs a more effective higher tier anti-infantry vehicle, something like the scatterpack but tank version of it. QUICK_EDIT
I think it's reverse, I'm not sure but maybe GDI decided too use the SSAM Launcher after Globotech acquired it. But instead of straight bombardment they decided too go with spread bombardment. QUICK_EDIT
No, I mean the the TD MLRS that comes from the actual MLRS. Uneditted INIs name it "Old MSAM" but in the campaign it has it's named as the MLRS. This is what the TS Hover MLRS and TI MLRS Walker are derived from. I just assumed the SSAM was too, but in combination with the Nod Mobile SAM. Although, one could argue that is also derived from the MLRS, just with SAMs. QUICK_EDIT
Remember in Twisted Insurrection GDI lost the war and nearly had there Generals lost if it wasn't for some quick thinking. So i'm not sure on this but maybe the TD MLRS was lost.
Then again it might be as you said That GDI's version came from there own old MLRS.I think Globotech maybe chose Nod's version purely out of convience.
Since the technology seemed abandoned by Nod altogether for a different type of artillery based platform as you see as with the howitzer and mole artillery. QUICK_EDIT
However, the MLRS isn't exactly a piece of complicated technology. It's just a piece of rocket artillery, just an advancement on the old Calliope, Panzerwerfer, or Katyusha. You can say something about the RA1 and TD time line thing, but it's not likely that no one could've thought to have a rocket launcher strapped to a truck. It'd be like saying that no one could think to build more tanks after they lost all their tanks.
Also, there was an MLRS with General Shepard. It's not like it was long gone by the time TI's timeline starts.
I just figured they'd picked it up from GDI like they did the Hum-vee. You could argue that they just decided to use the Hum-vee as a general purpose vehicle, but my point is that I figure Globotech would take more from the GDI arsenal than the Nod one. I suppose the Mobile SAM still could've had some influence, like a Globotech weapons designer might of taken a look at the MLRS and the Nod Mobile SAM and thought, "Hmm, what if we combined those." QUICK_EDIT
I suppose your right on that point. But it's not like Nod is just going too say here you can have our technology so you can kill us with it you know? From what i can tell out of the campaign it's sometime before emerald peak massacre that they've obtained the needed technology. QUICK_EDIT
Missile technology isn't really as advanced as railgun tech or lasers. They may have borrowed the concept, but I don't think there is a reason why they would need to acquire the missile tech directly from Nod. QUICK_EDIT
Yes that much is obvious Aro. But the point i'm trying too figure out is why Globotech chose Nod's SSAM Launcher or such a technology at all over all else that could have been acquired. QUICK_EDIT
Yes while missiles are indeed fun. But this is war for these factions, I doubt they do it just because it's fun.Also considering Globotech has as much research capabilities if not even more than Nod. I just find it weird for such a group too choose such a more so outdated weapons Platform.
GDI yes i understand them, But Globotech could easily develop something far more superior but they chose this instead. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:16 pm Post subject:
Globotech wanted to prove they are this awesome force to be reckon with, but within all the fancy EMP's and Uber Suit soldiers, they said "We must not forget the olden ways!" So they used missiles.
=P
(I write this jokingly) _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Yes that much is obvious Aro. But the point i'm trying too figure out is why Globotech chose Nod's SSAM Launcher or such a technology at all over all else that could have been acquired.
The simple answer is that they didn't.
As previously noted, GDI's MLRS is the U.S. M270 MLRS. What was not mentioned is that Nod's SSM is based on the same chassis, but retrofitted to fire older [quote=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honest_John_rocket]Honest John surface-to-surface rockets[/quote]. It's worth noting that GloboTech's "SSAM Launcher" (Surface-to-Surface/Air Missile?) uses a completely chassis - e.g., it has wheels instead of treads.
If, when you say "Nod's SSAM Launcher," you mean the "Stinger" Mobile SAM Launcher, I would not that mobile SAM platforms aren't exactly uncommon: the U.S. had the Chapparal, which has been replaced by the Avenger; the USSR/Russia has or had the Strela, the Osa, the Kub, the Buk/Gadfly, and many others. Like these systems, Nod's Mobile SAM Launcher is limited to attacking aircraft - it does not have missiles capable of attacking ground targets. It's also worth noting that the Avenger fires Stinger missiles, so it's quite possible that Nod is just using surplus U.S. weapons.
Conversely, to the best of my knowledge (although I'm bound to be corrected), the only real world system capable of attacking both ground targets and aircraft is the defunct "Air-Defense Anti-Tank System"/"Multi-Mission Effects Vehicle."
Thus, to the extent that GloboTech's SSAM Launcher can hit both ground targets and aircraft, it's not only better than Nod's SSM Launcher and Mobile SAM Launcher, it's better than almost every real missile system ever made. QUICK_EDIT
Conversely, to the best of my knowledge (although I'm bound to be corrected), the only real world system capable of attacking both ground targets and aircraft is the defunct "Air-Defense Anti-Tank System"/"Multi-Mission Effects Vehicle."
Thus, to the extent that GloboTech's SSAM Launcher can hit both ground targets and aircraft, it's not only better than Nod's SSM Launcher and Mobile SAM Launcher, it's better than almost every real missile system ever made.
Didn't know that, I guess there might be an argument for the development of a new advanced targeting system that allows it to fire upon both land and air targets. (Although, C&C uses dual land & air targeting missiles a lot.) QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:23 pm Post subject:
Darkstorm wrote:
Quadhelix wrote:
Conversely, to the best of my knowledge (although I'm bound to be corrected), the only real world system capable of attacking both ground targets and aircraft is the defunct "Air-Defense Anti-Tank System"/"Multi-Mission Effects Vehicle."
Thus, to the extent that GloboTech's SSAM Launcher can hit both ground targets and aircraft, it's not only better than Nod's SSM Launcher and Mobile SAM Launcher, it's better than almost every real missile system ever made.
Didn't know that, I guess there might be an argument for the development of a new advanced targeting system that allows it to fire upon both land and air targets. (Although, C&C uses dual land & air targeting missiles a lot.)
That is indeed a bit of interesting information. Never knew this. QUICK_EDIT
The reason i would say Globotech specifically aiming for Nod's SSAM Launcher is because in the end Nod's technology is superior to GDIs.
In the end especially in consideration to how advanced there laser and energy technology is so of course they would use try too acquire it. Considering there desperate situation Globotech being the next target of Nod from what i can see after GDI.They would use any method they can too stop that and the technological superiority they command.Because from my knowledge Laser and energy technology is one of the Absolute backbones of futurish technology especially targeting system which in reality is being developed right now. So there is plenty of reasons why Globotech would specifically target Nod's SSAM Launcher. QUICK_EDIT
The reason i would say Globotech specifically aiming for Nod's SSAM Launcher is because in the end Nod's technology is superior to GDIs.
When you say "Nod's SSAM Launcher," do you mean Nod's SSM Launcher or Nod's Mobile SAM Launcher?
In any case, GloboTech doesn't need to get technology from either Nod or GDI. Most of their technology is either bog-standard (e.g., Hum-vees and Light Tanks) or proprietary (e.g., Exo-Suits and Disruptor). QUICK_EDIT
As I mentioned, Nod's SSM is just the chassis of the U.S. M270 MLRS modified to fire ~50-year-old-unguided "Honest John" rockets. It's basically a Scud Launcher, but using U.S. surplus instead of U.S.S.R. designs or derivatives (indeed, the first Scud design apparently originated around the same time as the Honest John).
On a side note, the MLRS's chassis, the M993 carrier vehicle, is a "derivative" of the same M2 Bradley that Nod uses as their Light Tank. This isn't really important to the discussion, but I though that it was interesting. QUICK_EDIT
Yes it is interesting, But on yet another note that sometimes entire tanks or so forth are rebuilt too compensate for lack of ability too hit there targets.
So with a much more advanced targeting system it can redirect those resources on said unit elsewhere. As for why NOD it's already been developed so why waste your own time developing it when you can just steal it from another faction or etc.
Edit: Back on top to say the SSM Launcher was built by using the scatterpack Globotech developed for GDI. But decided too rearm it with missiles instead of bullet for increased effectiveness. Last edited by DeathlyRose on Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:35 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
why waste your own time developing it when you can just steal it from another faction or etc.
Because stealing technology from someone else gives you a piece of equipment about which your enemies have intimate knowledge. Any flaws in its systems will be known by its manufacturers, any weak points in the armour or vulnerabilities in the software will be open to exploitation by your enemies.
The same reason many countries don't buy Huawei networking equipment. QUICK_EDIT
But it's different from building it from ground up. By taking your enemies technology you have a base too work with then you branch off into your your research that you can truly call your own.
Doing it this way saves you an enormous amount of time and money. Also you can learn the enemies weak points in there systems that you can exploit at the same time.
Edit: I took this idea from a movie i saw in the past. "You take your enemies resources and use them for your own uses. You grow stronger while they grow weaker." Stealing technology was never an issue it's about how you use said technology. QUICK_EDIT
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