V3missile bugs andd limitations ongoing

NimoStar · Last edited by NimoStar on Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:39 pm; edited 2 times in total

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Yeah, there's no weapon. But you can have one. If you have a weapon, you have a projectile, you have a warhead. And the projectile is the key here. If the ROT is more than 1, the weapon doesn't work.

This is not what this is about. That is adding something so the V3 missile FIRES a projectile. The threadd is about the V3 missile DETONATING on impact. Those two are very ddifferent things.

The V3 missile has flight parameters very different from those of a projectile.
that is what all those settings put into it are about. And I am not speaking about just the launch, but the whole trajejctory controlled by these tags:

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Missile.TurnRate=0.3 ; Pitch maneuverability of missile in air. Adjust by trial and error.
Missile.Acceleration=0.45 ;0.5 ; This much is added to the missile's velocity each frame during launch
Missile.Altitude=1200 ;768 ; Cruising altitude in leptons: at this height missile BEGINS leveling off

Missile.LazyCurve=yes ; The rocket's path is a big, lazy curve :Yes or no

Furthermore, the otherwise non-customizable lenght (for impact and trailer) and the very trailer animation frequency:

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Missile.BodyLength=336 ; The body of the rocket is this many leptons long
Missile.TrailerAnim=V3TRAILLIBLUN ;
Missile.TrailerSeparation=3 ;2 ;1

The a V3 missile fires "something else" in midd-air would alter the parameters it was using before, and alter the trajectory of the missile.
Furthermore it could mess with the experience system for the vehicle.

Using this mathod is, apart from graphically inconsistent (in other words, overall ugly) and dysfunctional wiith the flight path, has plenty of other game play and balance problems

And what else, you ask?

Well, the very reason one uses V3 in the first place?
Interceptability.
If the missile ceases to be interceptable in mid-air then there is no much point of using the system at all, is it?

This iis the cae specially as I use laser interception systems (think C&C Generals) and when the V3 ceaces to be and becomes a projectile, it can no longer be destroyed or explode mid air.

Further problem:
As it should be that aither the missile self-sdestructs while shotting this "weapon with projectile", it either will explode with it's deathweapon on midair then, or not be able to explode on midair when it is intercepted at all.

Basically just "solution" is turning the V3 lauch, rocket and system into an artillery or tank shot with a projectile featurin an image missile voxel. Which is not the point of the functionality at all, as even westwood designed it to be an interception game.

If I wanted the missile aircraft to shoot things instead of to explode into things, I would make it a carrier plane Laughing

Proposall:
A simple solution would be that the missile uses the Primary weapon when impacting ground.

Graion Dilach · Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:38 pm Post subject:

Range is a floating number value. The more smaller the range of said missile's weapon is, the better that would work out.

In other words, you can give a missile a range=1 weapon. The functionality doesn't change, and with clever tweaking, the transition won't be noticable.

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NimoStar · Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:46 pm Post subject:

"more smaller" ...
Range=1 has a host of problems, to start it doesn't work right in most units that is why westwood implemented CloseRange=yes and such.
But v3 missiles have fixed trajectories and cant move according to those parameters.

The transition would always be notable because V3 missile use faction colors because they are units, whole proyectiles don't even do remap. You can even see that here: http://www.ppmsite.com/forum/files/missile_fired_950.png
yellow remap missile
http://www.ppmsite.com/forum/files/weapon_fired_by_missile_kirov_projectile_572.png
...gives birth to pale orange remap kirov

so, no.
ALso that doesn't solve the experience, deathweapon (even from "before" firing the bullet of a missile, there coudn't be one unless it explodes as intercepted when doing so) or tageting problem (the missile can change direction while switching)

There is a VAST different from an aircraft unittype to a mere ammo.

I have been testing these things for over a year because V3 missiles are a big part of my space-and-ballistics oriented mod.

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artemisfowl · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:23 am Post subject:

I'm trying to code in a new rocket for the Soviets, like the V3, but more of a ICBM style. Yet, it launches, gets halfway to the target, and turns around to fly off screen. Here are my Rules codes, or whatever you want to call them:

; Topol-M Rocket control ;SJM
svicbmrocketPauseFrames=0 ; How many frames the rocket pauses on the launcher before tilting
svicbmrocketTiltFrames=60 ; How many frames it takes for the Topol-M rocket to tilt to firing position
svicbmrocketPitchInitial=0.21; Starting pitch of the rocket before tilting up (0=horizontal,1=vertical)
svicbmrocketPitchFinal=0.5 ; Ending pitch of the rocket after tilting up; now it fires
svicbmrocketTurnRate=0.05 ; Pitch maneuverability of rocket in air. Adjust by trial and error.
svicbmrocketRaiseRate=1 ;GEF How much the missile will raise each turn on the launcher (for Cruise Missile only)
svicbmrocketAcceleration=0.4 ; This much is added to the rocket's velocity each frame during launch
svicbmrocketAltitude=768 ; Cruising altitude in leptons: at this height rocket BEGINS leveling off
svicbmrocketDamage=500 ; Exploding V3 does this much damage (at center of explosion, presumably).
svicbmrocketEliteDamage=800 ; Exploding V3 does this much damage (at center of explosion, presumably).
svicbmrocketBodyLength=256 ; The body of the rocket is this many leptons long
svicbmrocketLazyCurve=yes ; The rocket's path is a big, lazy curve. V3 yes. DMisl no.
svicbmrocketType=svicbmrocket

Now, the launcher and weapon,

; Topol-M Platform
[svicbm]
UIName=Name:svicbm
Name=Topol-M ICBM Platform ;locked
Category=AFV
Prerequisite=NAWEAP,NATECH
Primary=Topol-M Launcher
CanPassiveAquire=no ; Won't try to pick up own targets
Spawns=svicbmrocket
SpawnsNumber=1
Image=svicbm
SpawnRegenRate=600
SpawnReloadRate=0 ; missile spawn don't come back
NoSpawnAlt=yes ; alternate voxel for out of spawns: xxxxWO (V3WO)
Strength=400
Armor=heavy
TechLevel=9
Turret=no
CrateGoodie=yes
Sight=8
Speed=3
Owner=Russians,Confederation,Africans,Arabs
Cost=1800
Soylent=1800
Points=40
ROT=5
AllowedToStartInMultiplayer=no
Crusher=yes
Crewed=no ; Big giant missile on its head precludes survivor (per designer)
IsSelectableCombatant=yes
Explosion=TWLT070,S_BANG48,S_BRNL58,S_CLSN58,S_TUMU60
VoiceSelect=V3Select
VoiceMove=V3Move
VoiceAttack=V3AttackCommand
VoiceFeedback=
DieSound=GenVehicleDie
MoveSound=V3MoveStart
CrushSound=TankCrush
Maxdebris=3
Locomotor={4A582741-9839-11d1-B709-00A024DDAFD1}
;MovementZone=Normal ;gs FLAW needs to be changed to this when The Flaw is fixed
MovementZone=Destroyer
ThreatPosed=25 ; This value MUST be 0 for all building addons
DamageParticleSystems=SparkSys,SmallGreySSys
Weight=3.5
VeteranAbilities=STRONGER,FIREPOWER,ROF,SIGHT,FASTER
EliteAbilities=SELF_HEAL,STRONGER,FIREPOWER,ROF
AccelerationFactor=0.01
ZFudgeColumn=8
ZFudgeTunnel=13
Size=3
GuardRange=9
TooBigToFitUnderBridge=true
;MobileFire=false ; SJM: Looks like this was meant for the V3, but let's not enable it until we know we need it.
Bunkerable=no; Units default to yes, others default to no

; V3's rangefinder virtual weapon
[Topol-M Launcher]
Damage=1
ROF=250
Range=20
MinimumRange=5
Spawner=yes
Projectile=InvisibleHigh
Speed=30
Warhead=Special

; Topol-M Rocket -- warhead invoked from code. No weapons attached here.
[svicbmrocket]
UIName=Name:svicbmrocket
Name=Topol-M Rocket
Image=svicbmrocket
FireAngle=1
Strength=100
Category=AirPower
Armor=special_2
Spawned=yes
MissileSpawn=yes
TechLevel=-1
Sight=1
RadarInvisible=no
Landable=yes
MoveToShroud=yes
Ammo=1 ;Aircraft are hard wired to require ammo
Speed=20
Owner=Russians,Confederation,Africans,Arabs
Cost=50
Points=20
ROT=3
Crewed=no
Explodes=no
GuardRange=30
Explosion=TWLT070,S_BANG48,S_BRNL58,S_CLSN58,S_TUMU60
MaxDebris=2
Locomotor={B7B49766-E576-11d3-9BD9-00104B972FE8}
MovementZone=Fly
ThreatPosed=10 ; This value MUST be 0 for all building addons
DamageParticleSystems=SmallGreySSys ; Sparks don't work well here. SJM
AuxSound1=V3Attack ;Taking off
;AuxSound2=DROPDWN1 ;Landing
ImmuneToPsionics=yes
;VeteranAbilities=STRONGER,FIREPOWER,SIGHT,FASTER
;EliteAbilities=SELF_HEAL,STRONGER,FIREPOWER,ROF
NoShadow=yes
Selectable=no
Trainable=no
DontScore=yes

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

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Graion Dilach · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:27 am Post subject:

Yay, CanMakeStuffUp=true!

http://ares-developers.github.io/Ares-docs/new/custommissiles.html

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Things that don't work or make the game unstable
-inventing keys that don't exist (svicbmrocketPauseFrames etc)
-using space in IDs [Topol-M Launcher]
-using lowercase IDs [svicbm] is errorprone. Just write once [SVICBM] in art.ini or in Vehicletypes list and your unit doesn't work anymore, because IDs are case sensitive. Rule is to write them all in uppercase.

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Graion Dilach · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:28 am Post subject:

Holy hell, I didn't even noticed the latter two.

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ApolloTD · Commander **Joined**: 19 Nov 2003

Seriously, it isn't long ago that same very mistake was made and history repeats and somehow it does not occur to these people that game isn't magic reader to make sense of whatever make up stuff you write into the ini... Very Happy

Too bad even making up a thread with basic mistakes like this would get ignored else it would be great idea.

artemisfowl · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:49 pm Post subject:

Thanks. I'll see what I can do.

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