[ra2/yr]C&C3 epic unit SHP pack

kenosis · Last edited by kenosis on Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:48 pm; edited 2 times in total

I'd like some rest after these three units are done.
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but FLH is not right.

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B.A.Znd · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:23 am Post subject:

that Terror Drone is best one IMO → →

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Nikademis Von Hisson · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:28 am Post subject:

The Mechs are amazing...very nice

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PillBox20 · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:18 am Post subject:

B.A.Znd wrote:

that Terror Drone is best one IMO → →

GO! GO! REDEEMER EPIC!

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Atomic_Noodles · Defense Minister **Joined**: 05 Oct 2011

The Terror Drone combined with the Scrin ones looks like its an evolving pokemon thing.

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kenosis · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:57 am Post subject:

And......If you ever downloaded my old redeemers, you should delete the 9th frame with its shadows. Somehow it got one more frame in the walking. Redeemer in this pack is fixed.

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OrangeNero · Commander **Joined**: 11 Jan 2012

tripod is cool rest too

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Team Black · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:37 pm Post subject:

awesome stuff!!

The MARV might look a little odd on slopes being shp and all, but I guess slopeless maps are OK too

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Blade · Cyborg Commando **Joined**: 23 Dec 2003

MARV should be a voxel, but other that that I think the smaller ones looks more sensibly proportioned.

B.A.Znd · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:48 pm Post subject:

I have to say,what's wrong with the tracks of the MARV...

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OmegaBolt · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:02 pm Post subject:

The MARV's colour looks awful and completely wrong IMO, the rest look pretty nice.

kenosis · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:28 pm Post subject:

kept marv texture unchanged and there it is

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

The wrong and missing lighting/shading kinda ruins these, or at least makes them completely unfitting to any vanilla RA2 object.

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Volgin · Commander **Joined**: 07 Mar 2009

So? If you're using these things in a mod, odds are the Allies and Soviets and Yuri ain't gonna be in it.

I think both sets look good - one for TS, and one for RA2/YR - though I am definitely inclined toward the smaller ones - the MARV is just absurdly huge.

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

odds are, that any mod is using a consistent lighting very similar to TS/RA2 lighting and not this wrong one.

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Zero18 · Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:33 am Post subject:

Personally, I like the small-size shps, it looks better imo.

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kenosis · Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:09 am Post subject:

lighting?

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Holy_Master · Commander **Joined**: 21 Jul 2004 **Location**: Thailand

i like small version of epic unit specialize Redeemer size. but IMO MARV and Hexapod [small version] seem too small. at least they should larger than Tripod IMO.

and Hexapod on Cheese?

Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

kenosis wrote:

lighting?

that's better.
But the materials also need some work. They need a higher Specular Level to give them sun reflections and make them look less like plastic, but more like metal.
Some Bumpmaps would also help. You can simply use an instance of the Diffuse Map for the Bumpmap.

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kenosis · Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:45 pm Post subject:

no, I changed nothing just added that box to show how the lighting works.

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

can't be the same. look at the shadow. In the ingame the shadow is going east, while in the box-preview it is going straight northeast (which is correct).

Also look at the big Redeemer how it is lighted like the sun is directly above the unit.

Another very important point i just noticed. The units miss entirely self-shadowing.
The Redeemer should have the left upper leg close to the hip shadowed by the upwards going knee/bottom leg.

Another thing i noticed. The shadow in the ingame preview looks like you use an omni-light and not a directional light, which is another issue. Omni lights don't work since they don't emit light in parallel beams like the sun is doing in reality. For this a directional light is necessary.
You can see this on the ingame shadow, how it is bigger the closer it is to the unit. Parallel lights have the shadow at the same size as the shadow caster regardless how far it is away.

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kenosis · Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:37 pm Post subject:

scene and lighting. What should I do?
Shadow caster is set with script

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

Why are the shadow casting spot light and the directional light on 2 different positions? They have to be on the same location.

The selected directional light with the XYZ-axis is on the wrong location. If that view is from the camera, then the directional light needs to be moved to the left to the other spot light.

The spot light has no parallel light emitting like the directional light. Thus the shadow is wrong like explained before. Let the directional light cast the shadow or change the spot light into a directional light.

As you can see on the close up, the unit isn't shadowing itself. The main body should cast a shadow on the right legs. In your case all legs look the same. Check the model settings if self-shadowing is enabled.

You can download my building foundation example which has a correct light and camera setup. Then adjust yours accordingly.

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kenosis · Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:51 pm Post subject:

http://www.ppmsite.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4928
I used the script here to create the template.

the difference in setting up template, is, hmm, obvious.

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Kamuix · Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:56 am Post subject:

My vote goes to the large spider like creature, but I chose to use the small version for my mod, awsome work on all of it!!

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You mean the Eradicator?

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0warfighter0 · Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:18 am Post subject:

You can put the spotlight on 'Overshoot' to make the light radius go away. Looks a bit less peculiar.

Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

The radius is no problem since it's outside of the cameras visible area.
The bigger problem is that a spot light creates a different shadow depending on the distance towards the object. The closer the spotlight, the bigger the shadow. And this creates those "bubble" shaped shadows and not the accurate parallel shadows the game is using on everything else. Especially on big objects you can see the effect of the "bubble" shadow very good, like the hexapod and redeemer.

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4StarGeneral · General **Joined**: 14 Sep 2006 **Location**: Limbo

While it does make those "bubble" shaped shadows, you can avoid them entirely so long as the spotlight is far enough away, say the distance of the camera. I use spotlights on my scene as well as 1 direct sun light. Just need to learn lighting better is all.

I agree with LKO though, the shadows are definitely off as the light is way too close. From the screenshot you can tell by looking at the epic Hexapod, its left has considerably larger shadows than the right, while the sun does do this, it would have to be at least 45 degrees or lower from setting/rising to make this effect, and AFAIK the "sun" RA2 uses is about 75 degrees.

tl;dr - Move the spotlight alot further away.

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kenosis · Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:43 am Post subject:

this is the difference

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

it's not much, but still noticeable.
And with the other lighting and material fixes applied, the units should turn out much better.

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kenosis · Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:01 pm Post subject:

no. not noticeable for me. I can't tell any difference unless I use diffimg.

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Kamuix · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:21 am Post subject:

I think it's called the Hexinimi or something alike

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