Misc modding discoveries

Parasite03 · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:07 am Post subject:

A bug report for you (too lazy to post the bug in the launchpad):
If Adjacent=0 and BaseNormal=no, this building can only be placed right next to any building with BaseNormal=yes.

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tomsons26lv · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:56 am Post subject:

Parasite03 wrote:

A bug report for you (too lazy to post the bug in the launchpad):
If Adjacent=0 and BaseNormal=no, this building can only be placed right next to any building with BaseNormal=yes.

Parasite03 I have a bug report for you
If Parasite03's brain sees more then two sentences in a ModEnc description it fails to read and skips the third sentence
http://modenc.renegadeprojects.com/BaseNormal
"The distance you may place new BuildingTypes away from a BuildingType with BaseNormal=yes set is determined by the new BuildingType's Adjacent flag.'

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RehteA · Soldier **Joined**: 16 Oct 2013

Just found a bug:

Patriot Missile and Flak Cannon don't attack jumpjet units.

Adding AG=yes to their projectiles can solve this.

PillBox20 · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:35 am Post subject:

That is half true. They attack quite well jumpjets like the Rocketeer and the Cosmonaut, BUT they can't attack paratroopers. Giving AG=yes as you said allows them to attack paratroopers. Tested. Smile

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deathreaperz · Commander **Joined**: 20 May 2013 **Location**: Indonesia

Its on UMP Extra Fixes :3

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Graion Dilach · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:33 am Post subject:

Splitted from the Ares 0.7 Material Collection, since these are no way related to Ares.

Carry on, people.

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Parasite03 · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:36 am Post subject:

tomsons26lv wrote:

Parasite03 wrote:

A bug report for you (too lazy to post the bug in the launchpad):
If Adjacent=0 and BaseNormal=no, this building can only be placed right next to any building with BaseNormal=yes.

Parasite03 I have a bug report for you
If Parasite03's brain sees more then two sentences in a ModEnc description it fails to read and skips the third sentence
http://modenc.renegadeprojects.com/BaseNormal
"The distance you may place new BuildingTypes away from a BuildingType with BaseNormal=yes set is determined by the new BuildingType's Adjacent flag.'

I didn't mean that. If a building has these flags IT can not be placed anywhere but right next to building with Adjacent higher that 0 and BaseNormal=yes. Get it right!

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

[A]
Adjacent=0 ;distance how far this Building A can be placed near other buildings with BaseNormal=yes
BaseNormal=no ;means, other buildings can not use this for base expansion

[B]
Adjacent=3 ;this is not the distance other buildings can be placed near this! It's just, B can be placed 3 cells away from other buildings with BaseNormal=yes
BaseNormal=yes ;other buildings can use this for base expansion

which results in
A next to B
B next to B
No building next to A

isn't it quite logical that A can not be placed next to A, since A has BaseNormal=no!? Wink

Adjacent=0 is simply placing structures with no distance and right next to each other (like in tiberian dawn)
Adjacent is just the number of free cells a building can be placed away from any other building with BaseNormal=yes

Parasite03 wrote:

If a building has these flags IT can not be placed anywhere but right next to building with Adjacent higher that 0 and BaseNormal=yes. Get it right!

wrong! it can also be placed next to buildings with BaseNormal=yes and Adjacent=0.
It can be placed next to any Building that has BaseNormal=yes. Adjacent doesn't play a role here. It just sets the distance it can be placed away from the standing building.

So there is no bug report or any modding discovery made here. Just logic results from the way how the keys work. Of course you have to understand how the keys work to understand the resulting logics.

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Graion Dilach · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:30 am Post subject:

RehteA wrote:

Just found a bug:

Patriot Missile and Flak Cannon don't attack jumpjet units.

Adding AG=yes to their projectiles can solve this.

Whoops, sorry, read paratroopers for some reason. Embarassed

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WoRmINaToR · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:20 pm Post subject:

From ModEnc's page on Adjacent:

Quote:

Adjacent specifies the maximum number of cells away from one of your existing buildings (that does not have BaseNormal=no set) that you may place the new building. An adjacency value of zero means the new building must be placed in contact with an existing building - there must be no gap. An adjacency value of 1 means there can be at most a 1 cell gap between an existing building and the new building.

Nothing to see here, move along..

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Parasite03 · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:35 pm Post subject:

Urgh.....
This is what I get:

[A]
BaseNormal=yes
Adjacent=anything

[B]
BaseNormal=no
Adjacent=0 ;important. if i leave it at the default 3, it doesn't happen

Anything can be placed next to A up to Adjacent cells away from it but B. B can only be placed next to A.

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RP · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:49 pm Post subject:

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

Everything was said how it works.
Hint: BaseNormal understand its functionality.

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Parasite03 · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:07 am Post subject:

Pffff....... I know it's functionality and how it works but I have something that is not suppoed to be like that. Why the hell don't understand it?!

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

Then you can't explain it. I haven't read anything from you that isn't a logical result of the way how BaseNormal and Adjacent work.

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OmegaBolt · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:15 pm Post subject:

You don't understand it's function.

BaseNormal=yes means OTHER BUILDINGS can be placed next to the building that has this tag.

Adjacent tells the game how far away you can place THIS BUILDING from another building that has BaseNormal=yes

A BaseNormal=no building can still be placed next to another building up to the amount of it's OWN Adjacent tag.

Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

It was explained 3 times before, i doubt your 4th explanation helps Omega.
Some people just have a too strong learn resistance.

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Parasite03 · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:30 pm Post subject:

I KNOW how it works. I do not need explanations on how Adjacent and BaseNormal work. I just can't explain a bug.

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deathreaperz · Commander **Joined**: 20 May 2013 **Location**: Indonesia

maybe they didn't consider it as a bug and please keep calm yourself, Parasite. give us a vid or animated gif of your bug

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4StarGeneral · General **Joined**: 14 Sep 2006 **Location**: Limbo

For the sake of this thread going on FAR too long:

Is this what you're trying to say is a bug?

This is a VANILLA [GAPOWR] with Adjacent=0 and BaseNormal=no.

If you're saying this is a bug, it's not, it's how BaseNormal and Adjacent are SUPPOSED to work.

BaseNormal=no | means you cannot place next to this.
BaseNormal=yes | means you can place next to this.
Adjacent=0 | means you can only place THIS building LESS THAN 1 SQUARE away from something with BaseNormal=yes.

Not that everyone hasn't said this already, but I'm hoping pictures help.

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deathreaperz · Commander **Joined**: 20 May 2013 **Location**: Indonesia

4StarGeneral, you did it right

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