Just an Idea for Yuri

adamstrange · Tiberian Fiend **Joined**: 07 Mar 2013

Just thought that This steam punk battleship would be perfect for Yuri since all of his units have that steampunk look.

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TAK02 · Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:06 pm Post subject:

Then get some 3D making skills, like Blender or Maya or 3D Max, make it, and when you're done use the neat little thing called 3DS2VXL

https://ppmforums.com/topic-25043/3ds2vxl-fixed-version/
(I don't know if this is the latest 3DS2VXL version, please correct me if that thread is not the newest one)

Alternatively, use DonutArnold's Blender template to render the giant thing as a SHP unit. https://ppmforums.com/post-603249/blender-templates-tdra-ts-ra2/#603249
The details won't be lost or look ugly in-game as they would if you use voxels.
Then you'll have to push those 32 renders of 32 facings into LKO's ImageShaper and make it create the SHP.
https://ppmforums.com/topic-44476/image-shaper/

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G-E · Defense Minister **Joined**: 09 Feb 2015

This would be attrocious as a voxel.

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wardeathfun · Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:54 pm Post subject:

This reminds me of that stupid vehicle in Original War, the Behemoth. It would be easy to convert but without a good multiple weapons support (multi turrets), I don't see it having much use right now.

Mig Eater · Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:49 am Post subject:

The Russians actually built several round warships in the late 1870's. Their large displacement meant that they could be fitted with heavy armor & some of the biggest guns of the time. The large frontal area created a lot of drag though, making them very slow & some times difficult to control.

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Zorbung · Soldier **Joined**: 04 Jun 2021

TAK02 wrote:

Alternatively, use DonutArnold's Blender template to render the giant thing as a SHP unit.

I though vehicles can only be voxels? How do you make them use SHP?

Virgil · Stealth Laser Trooper **Joined**: 22 Jul 2018

Zorbung wrote:

TAK02 wrote:

Alternatively, use DonutArnold's Blender template to render the giant thing as a SHP unit.

I though vehicles can only be voxels? How do you make them use SHP?

What do you think Terror Drones, Dolphins and Giant Squids are?

Zorbung · Soldier **Joined**: 04 Jun 2021

I see.. so it's my understanding that voxels are turned into 2D images in real time while SHP are rendered as they are. Is there any difference between voxels and shps then? I mean could a mod just use shps for everything in the game or is there a caveat for using them?

TAK02 · Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:41 pm Post subject:

I remember explaining this on reddit a long time ago.

The gist of it is that VXLs are far less detailed than SHPs, unless you mess a lot with the bounds and transformation matrix of the VXL, and the details will probably look ugly.
However any changes, even by a pixel, are carried over to all rotations just fine.

SHPs are far more detailed than VXLs can be.
Downside is if you change only one pixel that change won't carry over to the other rotations like with VXLs.

VXLs are "true" 3D models rendered in real-time by the game, SHPs are renders of 3D models; models either Westwood or someone else created, and most likely were lost to time, so now only the renders remain.

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Zorbung · Soldier **Joined**: 04 Jun 2021

But what about turrets/barrels? And if they work as SHP then how to position them, do they still need a HVA?

Virgil · Stealth Laser Trooper **Joined**: 22 Jul 2018

Zorbung wrote:

I see.. so it's my understanding that voxels are turned into 2D images in real time while SHP are rendered as they are. Is there any difference between voxels and shps then? I mean could a mod just use shps for everything in the game or is there a caveat for using them?

shp unit cannot "tilt" on slope and when hit by Rocker warheads, so it is usually not a good idea to make shp wheeled/tracked vehicles, but walkers (hva animation is hard to make and adjust) and jumpjets can usually ignore these disadvantages.
vxl also cannot be bigger than 256 leptons (4 cells long) in any direction, or game won't render it properly, but shp does not have this limit. On the other hand, AircraftTypes does not accept shp, only vxl works, and InfantryTypes does not accept vxl, only shp works (sequences need shp frame indexes).
vxl units must have vxl turrets, while shp units can have either vxl or shp turrets. vxl also have the barrel recoil logic as is seen on Grand Cannon, which cannot be reproduced by shp turrets. Game does not render shadow for vxl turrets, but for shp turrets it does.

McPwny · Cyborg Artillery **Joined**: 29 Jan 2018

the turrets location is handled by the 3d modeler when they render the .shp's frames. shp vehicles cannot
have voxel turrets, but stupidly enough, can have voxel turret barrels. also, turret shadows are broken and
do not render for .shp vehicles.

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bbglas007 · Vehicle Drone **Joined**: 14 Mar 2021

This thread turned into a nice graphics crash course. Thanks guys. This saved me a lot of time researching this