Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 7:01 pm Post subject:
Do you believe that the bible has real facts written in it?
The Bible is "da book" for billions of people in the earth and it's the main book from the christians... do you believe that the things written there are truths? Or they are metaphors? Or... what's the objective of the bible in your opinion? So many mysteries... maybe we could share some opinion about it, even if you are not christian (just like me). QUICK_EDIT
Dooffy has a point there *feels shocked and surprised* that it was unlikely to have happened, but there still is a lot of truth in the stories even for a non-christian such as myself. Metaphors if you want but also morals as you would find in other stories (Hans-Christian Anderson (coincidence?) comes to mind). QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 2:04 pm Post subject:
There are some surreal stories in it? Doesnt it? Specially in the old bible as well... starting by the one where God makes Earth in 7 days with everything in it. Mutations weren't something that happened from a day to another, but it's things that takes thousands or million years. According to the "Earth created in 7 days" story, the apes and humans appeared pratically in the same day... QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 6:09 pm Post subject:
You mean, God used a different way to measure time? So, one day for him is more than 100 million years for us? What a day, dude? I'd like to have a day like that . QUICK_EDIT
no what i mean is, he used a measure of time (days) before we (humans) decided to use this meausure of time, ie day months years _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 2:47 am Post subject:
Hmmmm.... maybe yes, maybe not. Ask God to give you a completely new computer... maybe it's possible to happen, but he would use his agents (your parents) to make it happen . QUICK_EDIT
God is immortal, he has no measure of time. And he's very unlikely to donate supercomputers to everyone, firstly because microsoft would sue, and secondly because only western countries who can use the computers would benefit. QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 6:29 pm Post subject:
Tratos wrote:
he's very unlikely to donate supercomputers to everyone, firstly because microsoft would sue, and secondly because only western countries who can use the computers would benefit
- ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Western? Koreans, chinese, russians... hahaha... this net is full of eastern people as well QUICK_EDIT
Not everything. Like asking to help financilally, help in keeping your job, asking to protect your family. Stuff like that. By asking for financial help Im talken about maybe help getting a raise, etc., not winning the state lottery... _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 4:49 pm Post subject:
Lol, no... actually several other people are like him in this point of view. I wouldn't like to win in the state lottery because I would be too rich and the chance of headache would grow a lot, specially related to how many people would like to get a part of or the whole money for them. QUICK_EDIT
Y'ever read any of the Norse, Greek, Babylonian, Inuit, Incan, Zulu, etc. myths? Christian myths are the same thing. The bible is a part of the myth. It depends on how you interpret the definition of a myth in general, that decides if or if not you think the bible is full of real facts.
TS: So, by saying you believe everything said in the bible, you're saying you:
- Think enslaving blacks is the right of whites
- Believe women are inferior to men
- Think that humans are superior to other animals
- Think that if you climb into a spaceship and fly to the moon, you might hit God in the ass
- Etc. etc.
WTF are you talken about! Dont make acusations without any proof. Show me where(Chapter & Verses) where it says what you said in the bible! The simple minded always misinterprut things from the bible all the time, in this case, that would be you... _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Heh, that's the thing about the bible. Because it's part of a myth, it's open to interpretation. The bible has a lot of violence in it, as well as a lot of referances to the superiority of man, just like a lot of other myths made around that time. QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2003 3:55 am Post subject:
Do you expect proofs from someone who has never read the bible, just heard of it several parts from it? Do you think he is going to the church or to a library just to get a bible and read it? Ir do you think he's gonna get a pirate version the bible in the internet just to reply you with proofs TS? He is not Christian, he will never guess the chapter if he doesnt reads it. The same applies for me, so, I'm gonna reply from what I've heard:
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- Think that humans are superior to other animals
- In the story of the God making Earth in 7 days, the man was the last thing done and claimed to be the most similar thing to God.
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- Believe women are inferior to men
- When the hebrews were in Egypt, the story shows a man, hero, that was helped by God (represented as male) and freed his people from the "evil" Ranses (man as well). The main help for this hero came from men. The only woman praticipation was from the hero's sister that put him in a river and bla bla bla... Also, Christ was man, the popes are men and all people with high importance in the religion were men.
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- Think that if you climb into a spaceship and fly to the moon, you might hit God in the ass
- Since it constantly claims that God was in sky, Kane is right in this one.
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- Think enslaving blacks is the right of whites
- I haven't seen or heard of this one in bibles... QUICK_EDIT
- In the story of the God making Earth in 7 days, the man was the last thing done and claimed to be the most similar thing to God.
It did not specificully say were most simiar things to god. But it does say we were made in Gods image.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" (Genesis 1:27).
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When the hebrews were in Egypt, the story shows a man, hero, that was helped by God (represented as male) and freed his people from the "evil" Ranses (man as well). The main help for this hero came from men. The only woman praticipation was from the hero's sister that put him in a river and bla bla bla... Also, Christ was man, the popes are men and all people with high importance in the religion were mem
Just because God used men doesnt make women inferior. Plus he was no damn hero, he was only a messenger from God. Infact Arron(his older brother) did most of the talking, because moses was not a good speaker. Despite what the 10 commandments movie showed. Women were definately not inferior in gods eyes. But only in mens eyes women were inferior back then. So God used men, because men back then wouldnt listen to women.
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" (Genesis 1:27).
"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth" (Genesis 1:28.).
Notice that God gave the above commission to them both. There is no hint that there was anything but equal authority between man and woman as they existed in a sinless state.
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- Since it constantly claims that God was in sky, Kane is right in this one.
You guys are nimwitts... I would also like to see where it says god came from the sky... doubt that will happen... _________________ QUICK_EDIT
--and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth"
THAT is what I mean about it saying humans were superior. This is a myth created after the Agricultural Revolution, after farming was invented, and like all myths created after it, it thinks that humans are superior to other animals.
Now, what I meant about the racism thing, is that people use things in the bible to justify everything, from war to racism. When the whites enslaved the blacks and brought them over from africa, they justified it by quoting parts of the bible that they thought said it was their right to do that, that blacks were inferior or something. It's incredibly stupid, but it wouldn't surprise me.
There's a lot of parts of the bible that say that women are evil, and need to be controlled. I can't find them, but I've heard them quoted before by people who think the bible is stupid.
The bible is a myth, and you can't say it isn't, even if you believe in it. It's like the greek myths, or any other myth. It talks about gods creating the world, and how everything came to be, and love and peace and slaughtering. It IS a myth.
Also, I'm not saying I'm not christian. That's the religion I'm the closest to, but I don't believe the bible to be the word of god, if you'll excuse the pun. It is a myth, after all. QUICK_EDIT
THAT is what I mean about it saying humans were superior. This is a myth created after the Agricultural Revolution, after farming was invented, and like all myths created after it, it thinks that humans are superior to other animals.
Yeah this is true. We are smarter than animals arent we? Or do you think their smarter than humans? Therefor we as humans are superior to them.
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Now, what I meant about the racism thing, is that people use things in the bible to justify everything, from war to racism. When the whites enslaved the blacks and brought them over from africa, they justified it by quoting parts of the bible that they thought said it was their right to do that, that blacks were inferior or something. It's incredibly stupid, but it wouldn't surprise me.
The bible has no racism. And it is true that people tryed answering that whites were superior to blacks. But it says it nowhere in the bible. They were misleading people to think that the bible said that.
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There's a lot of parts of the bible that say that women are evil, and need to be controlled. I can't find them, but I've heard them quoted before by people who think the bible is stupid.
It doesnt say anywhere that women are evil. But it does say that wifes should listen to there husbands. Often when you here things about people who hate the bible, the things they say arent a 100% true.
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Also, I'm not saying I'm not christian. That's the religion I'm the closest to, but I don't believe the bible to be the word of god, if you'll excuse the pun. It is a myth, after all.
Than what religion are you in?
Once again, to you its a myth, but not to me. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
THAT is what I mean about it saying humans were superior. This is a myth created after the Agricultural Revolution, after farming was invented, and like all myths created after it, it thinks that humans are superior to other animals.
Yeah this is true. We are smarter than animals arent we? Or do you think their smarter than humans? Therefor we as humans are superior to them.
That there is ignorance most animals are just as smart as us if not smart, but most animals go through life living off instincts which makes them look stupid in our eyes. _________________
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And does that make us smarter? I divide being smart and being intelligent. Sure, Humans are more INTELLIGENT than most animals, as far as we know (Noone can speak any languages other animals use), but animals are smarter. Intelligence is the ability and willingness to build things like computers and cities. Smartness is knowing that those things are stupid and unnecessary, illogical and foolish, and serve only to destroy the planet and, by extension, every species of plant and animal living on it. And, to anyone arrogant enough to think humans are seperate from other animals: We fall under the category of "animal."
Humans can't accurately judge the intelligence of a species we can't converse with. You think Europeans thought the Chinese were intelligent when they first met them? Of course not! They probably thought they were stupid barbarians, until someone took the trouble to learn Chinese.
Also, just to put it in here, in my opinion, humans are the stupidest, most inferior species the planet has ever seen. We don't deserve to be here. We're a horrible plauge besetting the earth, and when we finally kill ourselves off, any species of plant and animal we haven't driven to extinction will hold a thousand years' party in celebration of our demise.
The bible is a myth. It is definately a myth. Whether or not you believe in it is irrevelant, it is still a myth. The term myth doesn't denote truth or falsity, so no matter how feverently you believe in the bible, it doesn't mean it isn't a myth. It is an unprovable story, written by someone, and serves to impress upon the reader morals and values, as well as explaining things the people at the time didn't understand. That is the definition of a myth. Whether or not it is true or false can never be proven, one way or the other, because proving it true would be proving it false (Anyone who's read the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy knows what I mean. The babelfish )
To answer your question: I am Christian, but the way I believe in that particular religion would make some of the more hardcore fanatics call me a heathen and shun me from their church . I refuse to believe in creationism totally. I believe a lot of the bible was made up, if not all. I believe in the fundamental system of christianity, though. The whole peace and goodness and cute fluffy bunnies thing appeals to me because I'd rather have good neighbors than evil ones. But hey, Greek religion's pretty cool. Hell, if we had more Temples to Aphrodite around, it could only do more good than not
What people who hate Christianity say about the bible tends to be the truth, only interpreted in a certain way. If something's left up to interpretation, then however someone interprets it, it's automatically true. If someone interprets the bible as saying it's okay to smoke marjuiana, then the bible says that. In their opinion.
The bible is pretty bigotous. There's the whole thing about not believing in any religion, and the sexism, and I'm fairly certain they threw some racism in there for good measure. Remember, this was written in a time before Stop Racism Month and National Womens Day, and lobby groups and human rights laws. When the bible was written, back in 500-whatever-BC, this stuff was the status quo. QUICK_EDIT
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