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Banshee
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:32 am    Post subject:  My window xp problem... Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've installed windows xp pro (sp2) here in september and since then, I suddenly get a blue screen of death with the same damn message.

It's always a STOP 0x0000000A irql_not_less_or_equal with the same parameters.

STOP 0x0000000A (0x00D283FC, 0x00000002, 0x00000000, 0x804DB657)

I've already updated all drivers, messed up with BIOS, etc... but it still happens often... it happens when I'm installing applications, running Delphi, running games, specially Age Of Empires III, although it happens more often when the HD activity is higher, like in a instalation of a program. It even happened when I was checking the dump file, that doesn't help much...


MicroCrapSoft Support wrote:
The parameters refer to the specific issues that are involved:
• Parameter 1 - An address that was referenced incorrectly.
• Parameter 2 - An IRQL that was required to access the memory.
• Parameter 3 - The type of access, where 0 is a read operation and 1 is a write operation.
• Parameter 4 - The address of the instruction that referenced memory in parameter 1.



All my PCI devices uses IRQ 3, not 2... however, I'm using my windows 98 now, so I do not know by memory, which device uses IRQ 2...  All my hard disks are on a promise PCI controller that uses IRQ 3. My floppy disk controller uses DMA 2, but these applications doesn't use floppy disk... except for windows explorer.


Aslo, the parameter 4 in decimals is 2 152 576 599 (over 2gb) and my RAM is limited to 512mb. My swap file doesn't bypass 768 mb... maybe it's less than that.

The ammount of programs and processes that loads with my windows xp is minimum... you know why I love windows 98? Because problems like this are solved in few minutes... while with XP I'm taking more than 2 months without solution Sad.

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Havoc
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

OMG! Maybe you have a virus or you didn't set well your BIOS or Windows sux.

About the pagefile (or swap file): did you set the minimum size from 324 MB to 768 MB from the system properties? I have only 256 MB of RAM, but my pagefile is 768 MB (I'm thinking of rasing it to 1024) and it works fine.

Windows XP aranges the IRQ's automatically, that's why the MS-DOS games don't work fine. Sometimes it messes up the IRQ's.

The blue screen.... it appears only when you have hardware problems. I got screens similar to that when my CPU cooler was dead, when my PC was totally virused, when I changed my motherboard once, when my system suddenly got low on resources. Same thing happened to me on the laptop.

Try installing both Win98 (install it first!) and WinXP. Use Win98 for games, it's better.

WinXP is dumb sometimes, but that's why we need to use tweakers (like SafeXP, X-Setup, etc) and updates.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

My windows 98 doesn't have this problem.


And, I've noticed that nothing uses IRQ 2 on my windows xp.

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About the pagefile (or swap file): did you set the minimum size from 324 MB to 768 MB from the system properties? I have only 256 MB of RAM, but my pagefile is 768 MB (I'm thinking of rasing it to 1024) and it works fine.


Yea, i've set minimum and max size to 768.

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Windows XP aranges the IRQ's automatically, that's why the MS-DOS games don't work fine. Sometimes it messes up the IRQ's.


Yea, and it's weird how it sets all PCI devices in the same IRQ, so my IRQ 3 is overloaded. My windows 98 uses IRQ 5 for video and sound, IRQ 7 for any USB related, IRQ 10 for network and IRQ 11 for the promise controller.

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The blue screen.... it appears only when you have hardware problems. I got screens similar to that when my CPU cooler was dead, when my PC was totally virused, when I changed my motherboard once, when my system suddenly got low on resources. Same thing happened to me on the laptop.


My cooler is working fine and my system doesn't bypass 44'C.


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Try installing both Win98 (install it first!) and WinXP. Use Win98 for games, it's better.


I don't see a reason to reinstall my windows 98 that works fine.


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WinXP is dumb sometimes, but that's why we need to use tweakers (like SafeXP, X-Setup, etc) and updates.


Yea, it is. I've used one... Tweak XP... not sure if that's the name... but that didn't help to sort my STOP 0x000000A problems either..

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

WinXP is full of dumb things. I don't use Win98 any more. It works like hell, maybe because it's... cracked/ilegal/warez. I have Windows ME installed and it's more stable. Really weird Neutral. WinME is dumber than 95, like some say.

Crap, my page file isn't 1024 like I set it. pagefile.sys is 1024 MB, but in Windows it's 383. Maybe it never worked.

Banshee, what CPU and GFX card do you have? Maybe they're the problem.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Athlon XP 2000+
GeForce 4 MMX 440SE (8x)

and my SOYO K7-VTA PRO motherboard has VIA chipset. VIA causes a bunch of problems, but I've installed the latest drivers from VIA Arena site. No difference at all. With old or new drivers, the problem appears. There is no drivers for an athlon... and my GeForce is using err...  ForceWare 71.84 or better... I think better... but I'm not sure...my windows 98 uses 71.84. That's another thing I've been updating and no difference happened.

My video card won't last long, really. It's been working weirdly in the latest weeks. The computer kinda crashes (freeze and/or randomly restart) about 5 times on both 98 and XP until it runs without problems. But this blue screen comes before the video problem. So, I don't think it's only video.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well, the cpu and gfx card shouldn't be the problem, unless one of them is dieing. The Forceware version shouldn't be the problem either. I have something really close to your configuration and it works fine, slow sometime because the cpu doesn't work like it should (damn cpu cooler).

Now I remember something: I experienced the blue screen in WinXP when I had a AMD K6-2 500 mHz and a S3 Savage4 PCI or AGP. Everything worked fine till I changed my mother board. After installing the new mother board (a VIA one) I kept experiencing that stupid error. Could you mother board be your problem?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

First of all, you should be using ForceWare 4x.xx, because it works better for GeForce 4s.
The motherboard is a likely culprit, they're often to blame, which sucks because they have terrible compatability with other companents...

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

This ForceWare is actually much faster than the older ones and it killed all my compatibility problems with games. The VIA stuff is very suspect, in my opinion... same goes to the motherboard, but there isn't much I can do on both, except to change it... I don't think I'll be buying a new motherboard, processor and RAM in the next months because I don't think I need to change it.. the speed is fine for my needs at the moment.

However, with Battle For Middle Earth II, Empire at Wars and some other stuff that will be on in the next year might make me change my mind...

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

DeathRay2K wrote:
First of all, you should be using ForceWare 4x.xx, because it works better for GeForce 4s.
The motherboard is a likely culprit, they're often to blame, which sucks because they have terrible compatability with other companents...
Kidding? Right? I use the latest Forceware that supports GeForce 4 (it ain't available for GeForce 4 for 3 months Sad). The games work perfectly fine. HL2, FarCry, UT2004 run better than they should. Or maybe ASUS made some changes to the GPU and the rest of the card (I have an ASUS V1980SE or GeForce4 MX440 AGP 8X).

It really sucks when you mother board isn't good or worse, broken, not to mention that the mother boards are very expensive.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Althought this is Offtopic, but we've had these stupid interruptions in distribution of electricity recently here in Finland, and quess does my comp. like them? NO, it's motherboard has broken twice because of those ****ing interruptions in distribution of electricity (quite long word Laughing)!!! #Mad

*edited twice due to spelling mistakes*

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