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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 11:46 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yeah i'm still on win98 and i like this OS, i think it's better than the other, it's configurable like you want, you can change everything, et blah blah blah...

Smile don't like very winXP too "family"

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

win 95 and 95 are probably the worst OS out there, for example, there GUI sucks, and in a few years, they wont b able to run the games coming out especialy for xp, because they wotn have the stuff that onyl XP has

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

XP is too heavy and once any of the system files get a problem that doesnt allow it to start, you are completely screwed up...

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Win95 sucks for pretty much anything nowadays. Win98 is still the best OS around for games, and because of this, I can't foresee any developers making a game solely for use on WinXP. The major market for WinXP is people who don't know much about computers, anyway, and those people tend towards not playing games. Unless MS comes out with a super-stable, highly customizable, and flexable OS like Win98 is, we wont be seeing Win98 falling by the wayside #Tongue

You're right Banshee: XP is a resource hog. Plain and simple. It's like WinAmp3. I use WinAmp2 because the new version is such a huge resource hog, it's barely worth it, especially since I tend to do things that require massive CPU power (Ie. games like Morrowind and Deus Ex [Deus Ex can use a lot of resources when you max the quality out @.@]). Also, I should note, WinXP can't handle any games made specifically for a DOS-based OS. That includes CnC: TD, the Monkey Island games (Except the new one), any old DOS games (Like Wolfenstein 3D), as well as some newer games like Deus Ex and NWN.

Dooffy, I've heard a lot of reasons people justify using WinXP over Win98, and the GUI thing is the stupidest one I know. No offense, man, but it's just idiotic. The point of an OS isn't to look pretty. If it was, noone would use Linux. The Win98 GUI is as good as anyone could want it, and if you're still not satisfied with it... Well, hell, just download DesktopX and you can convert the Win98 OS into an exact replica of the computer on the Enterprise in Star Trek (NC-17D, not the old ones)... Or, you could make it an exact replica of the Uplink OS, or pretty much anything you want. There's about thirty thousand DesktopX skins that turn your Win98 GUI into a replica of the WinXP one, so if you really like the WinXP GUI, get that.

(Just a note, if anyone does get DesktopX, I'd like to suggest you not fool around with making custom modules for it until you're sure you know what you're doing. I dd that and screwed my comp up :S. Also, the H20 skin is amazing, if you have the patience to get it working)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

well, the GUi was the only thing i could think of at 2 in the morning.

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once any of the system files get a problem that doesnt allow it to start, you are completely screwed up...

Untrue, u can just undo what you did, you can even make up data restoration points, and thn, if restorin fuks up, u can undo that aswell

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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super-stable, highly customizable, and flexable OS like Win98 is, we wont be seeing Win98 falling by the wayside #Tongue


super stable? win98? ROFLMAO!!!!!! Win98 crashes a lot...

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Compared to other window's os's it run's really well.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah, Win98 does crash a bunch, if they could just fix that and keep everything else the same, it would be awesome. I still use windows 98. I would have put windows Xp on my computer but a friend of myne says you need about 600 MHZ, and that I dont have. I dont like the windowsXP format anyway, Im too used to Windows 98.

one off topic question... Im in the process of reformatting my HD. How do you back up the drivers?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

TS, you can change XPs appearance to make the start menu, control panel etc look like the windows 98 versions but you do need processing power to run it. I'm upgrading from 98 to XP ASAP because I personally like the look of the XP interface but that's just me....

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

What's really so great about Xp I have yet to figure it out all I know is that I hate it and I still don't know why.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I just like XP because it IS more stable then windows 98. Its not anything majorly new but its a big enhancement, its an evolution not a revolution. I've heard from friends that XP 'dumbs down' the operation of a computer but that simply isn't true, I can testify to that. In my opinion there's nothing wrong with XP at all, the only hassle I've ever had with it is Product Activation but there are *cough*ways round that*cough*.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

don't forget that most of user of Winxp are new noob or just guys who bought a computer on the shop (win xp is directly installed on the computer...).

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i got my comp 2001 christmas, and that had xp on it. on XP it is much easier to do stuff, ie, i spent ages trying to make a network with a wins 98 and a win xp, but isnce i had no luck there. but when i bought XP and puyt it ont he other computer, it took me like 30 mins to do it ( took 15, 20 misn to get the hang of XP)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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don't forget that most of user of Winxp are new noob or just guys who bought a computer on the shop (win xp is directly installed on the computer...).


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i got my comp 2001 christmas, and that had xp on it. on XP it is much easier to do stuff, ie, i spent ages trying to make a network with a wins 98 and a win xp, but isnce i had no luck there. but when i bought XP and puyt it ont he other computer, it took me like 30 mins to do it ( took 15, 20 misn to get the hang of XP)



- No offense, but Maxim is definitelly right...

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I think I'll stick to 98

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2003 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

its not for n00bs, its just more user freindly and easier to use

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2003 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Easier than windows 98? Why would you want to make windows 98 even more user friendly, its already friendly enough :p

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2003 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have Win98se and it crashes maybe, once every 2 month... Compared to when I had the crash-every-week Win95, it rocks!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2003 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

My Win98SE crashes every day... specially when I have too much opened IEs. I majorly have problems with:

- Internet Explorer
- XCC Mixer 1.22 or better.
- Warcraft 3 in DirectX mode, but I play it in OpenGL.
- Generals crashes rarely here... I actually dont know if it crashes anymore...
- MSN... but MSN stop working for some seconds and return everytime. I dont know what does causes it, as it didnt used to be like that before I "format" my hd...

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2003 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I rarely have problems with my comp except with speed issues(ram related) and some progs mainly win amp 3 just eat all my resources.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2003 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

My Uncle who lives on a farm bought a new computer with a lot of power and currently he's letting my cousin use it for running SNES roms... Oh ya, they also have a real SNES... I just have to laugh at that.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2003 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i dotn c hows that is funny, i used to dl emulators and roms all the times for the snes onwards, couldnt find nay roms for the newer console emularors.

The last time my comp with xp crashed, when was i was mucking arounf in DOS command console.
and there sum probs with WOL and my ISP, bu other than that my comp is great

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2003 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'd like to point out to everyone here that I have NEVER, in my entire life, had a Windows crash that wasn't directly and obviously my fault. I've had problems with DirectX, but DX isn't windows. Usually, crashes are caused by you ztyping with windows, and I'll admit, it doesn't take well with ztyping around (Unlike good ole' Win 3.1), but then, neither does any other Windows OS made after 1994. If you experiance crashes in windows or anything, it's probably due to some program ztyping around with Windows system files.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2003 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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If you experiance crashes in windows or anything, it's probably due to some program ztyping around with Windows system files.
You got that mate:)
anyway windows 2k works and is good enough for me... except for the 35 minor crashes a day, which like kane said is usually my ffault.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2003 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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i dotn c hows that is funny, i used to dl emulators and roms all the times for the snes onwards, couldnt find nay roms for the newer console emularors.


Its funny because the brand new good computer that has tons of potential is only being used for a emulator.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2003 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

XP Pro owns you.

Kane, where can I get winamp2?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2003 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I can't believe everyone is using winamp 2 or 3! Have you people not heard of Musicmatch Jukebox? Its absolutely awesome! Admittedly I did use Winamp a while back but around the time Winamp3 came out I found Musicmatch and I haven't gone back since. Go to www.musicmatch.com if you're interested.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2003 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I use sonique

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Have you people not heard of Musicmatch Jukebox?

i used this before i used any other playing program. Then a mate pointe dout that thge playing quality is beter on Windows Media Player than MusicMatch.

So i Use Iwndows Media Player, but my mate still use MusicMatch (cos he paid for it)

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2003 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

One Of A Kind wrote:
I can't believe everyone is using winamp 2 or 3! Have you people not heard of Musicmatch Jukebox?


Yes i have, strangely enough it came free (trial version) with my keyboard (go figure).

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Banshee wrote:
I use sonique


yeah sonique is the best for graphic plugin and kick ass design

but winamp 2 is very very light for computer and i like that

about music match jukebox, i don't like it because i got some errors with it, the interface is big and it's heavier that the other programs

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Who deleted the posts before mine, then edited my post to make it look like it was a topic about windows? I KNOW it was an admin, because the Edited By thing doesn't show up. Fess up, punks!

Windows XP is too much of a pain in the ass. I had it for, like, a day, and I hated almost everything about it. It would be okay for someone who only uses their computer for the internet, but for someone who plays games, it's horrible, and I'll never get it. I'm saving my 169 dollars for something useful #Tongue.

You get Winamp2 at www.winamp.com. Duh.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2003 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ya I just got Winamp 2 from there. Also ll of my friends who have just got a new comp with XP have done nothin but complain because none of their games would work. I'm gonna stay clear and even if I get it with a new comp I'll swith bac to 98.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2003 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

right, if u dont liek xp cos u "cant" play games on there (i acn play any game)

but if u just want to play old agames, why not just keep ur shitty ol windows 95 and play on that. Yyou normal get a new comp with a ge force 4 and loads of ram for games and that cos i dont know what other eason ud use them for (well i do, but there not legal Wink)

btw this isnt goign to just 1 person

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2003 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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i thought it was only 60 bucks

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2003 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

it was £99 when i had to get it for my other comp, probably bwttwen 50 and 70 £ now

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2003 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Tratos wrote:
Yes i have, strangely enough it came free (trial version) with my keyboard (go figure).


Lol, I got my first copy with my mouse so I know what you mean Rolling Eyes

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70 pounds, multiplied by two to convert to canadian currency, gives you 160 gucks or so.

Dooffy, I would neve use Win95. It's the crappiest OS I've used, almost as bad as XP. XP is no good for games. Sure it will run some--I'm not saying it wont run any--but a lot of games can't be run. Give me one good advantage it has over Win98. The only real advantage I see is the NTFS format, which I think is pretty neat, but that's not worth switching to an unstable and heavy OS. I like my nice, sleek, Win98. Besides, I personally think WinXP looks pretty stupid, but maybe that's just my oldsk00lness talking Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2003 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I didnt know Winamp3 takes up a lot of resources. I didnt really notice any lag in my PC when it was on. anyway, im preatty happy with winamp3.


Is Linux Better than Windows? I here you need to know what your doing if you use Linux.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2003 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

XP. can run all the games on 98, just not the old old 1's built for 95, so if you want to play them games, u might as well buy a 3rd hand computer for £10 with windows 95 on it so u can play

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2003 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I must admit Kane, so far I've not had any trouble running any games I've got on XP. You mention in a post somewhere near the top that Deus Ex has trouble in XP but quite frankly that's rubbish, I'm already about half way through it after upgrading to XP and I've had no problem save for scratchy sound before I updated my drivers

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but it's still a resource hog, OOAK.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2003 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

no its not

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Sure it is. I could tell it was running slow when I used it. And when I had WinXP I had a pretty good computer (Slower processor than I have now, but it was still running a lot slower than when I had Win98). Also, our school has 1.5ghz computers running WinXP, and they run as slow as hell.

You got Deus Ex running under WinXP? That's pretty cool. Considering the Deus Ex support site says SPECIFICALLY that attempting to run DX under WinXP is dangerous, as it doesn't support XP at present. It has a huge support topic, near the top of the page, in capital letters, saying not to run DX under WinXP. Also, Windows XP causes problems in a lot of games. Hell, CC can't run Neverwinter Nights on WinXP, and NWN is an fairly recent game.

Like I said before, in order for me to upgrade to Windows XP, I'd have to see a reason to do it, and besides the easier Windows login dialog, and the NTFS file system, there are no advantages over Win98. Plus, I use a lot of DOS programs, and windows XP really hates DOS.

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Kane, if I get the FLU, you say its because of XP. NWN doesnt work becaue its just a poorly made game. Nothing to do with XP.

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yep, and hwo the hell is it dangerous to install deus ex on xp, if anything, its esafer than 98 and xp dosent hate DOS, xp is the 1st OS not based in DOS (windows OS)

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yep, and hwo the hell is it dangerous to install deus ex on xp, if anything, its esafer than 98 and xp dosent hate DOS, xp is the 1st OS not based in DOS (windows OS)


- Windows Me is the first to exclude DOS, XP is the second. And Kane is right, I mean, a game will run much slower in XP. A game that needs a lot of resources like Deus Ex will run very slowly in XP. Win 98 is better because it doesnt take much resources of the system and still has a good interface.

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well maybe if ya got off ya fat arse and closed a few programs in the ctrl alt and delte thingy, it would b ok, if that dotn work


GET MORE FECKING RAM

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Kane, the original topic was about a remake of C&C. What does windows has to do with it? Since it went so much offtopic, I splitted that.


Even with the ram you judge necessary, win98 will always run programs faster than XP, because it doesnt affects only RAM, but processor as well as win XP is full of trash to process too...

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