The foundation of TD buildings: forgotten?

Crimsonum · Seth **Joined**: 14 Jul 2005 **Location**: Fineland

Well, I have been wondering this since...something, but the question is:

In TD, you could build buildings with non-symmetric foundations (powerplant, refinery). If you don't understand what I mean, TS and RA2 has only quadrangular foundations, but TD has pentagonal, or even hexagonal foundations! was this hardcoded, or why was this removed? was it the TS's engine didn't support this?

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Tyler Adams · Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:31 am Post subject:

I dunno..

The TD/RA foundations were under the whole SHP, meaning, you could click the very top of the antenna on the AGT and you'd select it just as well as the center of the tower bit..

Useful, althought kinda made bases with straight lines slightly hard..

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Crimsonum · Seth **Joined**: 14 Jul 2005 **Location**: Fineland

Kyler Adams wrote:

The TD/RA foundations were under the whole SHP, meaning, you could click the very top of the antenna on the AGT and you'd select it just as well as the center of the tower bit..

makes to think...was it so that the foundation was hardcoded, and was determiated by the size of the shp? interesting...

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Tyler Adams · Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject:

I was thinking that..

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pd · Laser Commando **Joined**: 19 Jun 2005 **Location**: Gone

TS/RA2 DO have non-symmetric foundations.

Foundation=3x3Refinery would be a "hidden" (unused) foundation which works fine.

WW probably didn't code any others because they weren't in need of any.
Would you code thousands of foundations if you never needed them? I don't think so...

Tyler Adams · Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject:

3x3Refinery.. hmm..

Couldn't that be used for 3x3 Weaponry Factories?

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SMIFFGIG · Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:45 am Post subject:

Kyler Adams wrote:

3x3Refinery.. hmm..

Couldn't that be used for 3x3 Weaponry Factories?

It can be used on any building.......
its simply a 3x3 foundation with the bottom center cell removed

Most likely removed from the refinary to stop the AI clogging up the front of the refinery and preventing units entering
Could also have been programmed before the re-introduction of bibs (just a guess)

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Crimsonum · Seth **Joined**: 14 Jul 2005 **Location**: Fineland

SMIFFGIG wrote:

Kyler Adams wrote:

3x3Refinery.. hmm..

Couldn't that be used for 3x3 Weaponry Factories?

It can be used on any building.......
its simply a 3x3 foundation with the bottom center cell removed

Most likely removed from the refinary to stop the AI clogging up the front of the refinery and preventing units entering
Could also have been programmed before the re-introduction of bibs (just a guess)

I didn't know 3x3 has an removed cell from the bottom. But, in your mod, TS:Retro, I don't remember I could build there. So, it has been somehow made so, that you can't build there, but your units can go there?

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Tyler Adams · Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject:

SMIFFGIG wrote:

Kyler Adams wrote:

3x3Refinery.. hmm..

Couldn't that be used for 3x3 Weaponry Factories?

It can be used on any building.......
its simply a 3x3 foundation with the bottom center cell removed

I know that..

I was just thinking.. well.. not quite aloud.. but.. you know what I mean..

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Crimsonum · Seth **Joined**: 14 Jul 2005 **Location**: Fineland

hey, I were thinking...it's not unused, the Nod waste facility uses 3x3 foundation!

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Tyler Adams · Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject:

Yuri 05 wrote:

hey, I were thinking...it's not unused, the Nod waste facility uses 3x3 foundation!

In RAII?

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Tratos · General **Joined**: 01 Jan 2003

Kyler Adams wrote:

SMIFFGIG wrote:

Kyler Adams wrote:

3x3Refinery.. hmm..

Couldn't that be used for 3x3 Weaponry Factories?

It can be used on any building.......
its simply a 3x3 foundation with the bottom center cell removed

I know that..

I was just thinking.. well.. not quite aloud.. but.. you know what I mean..

3x3 and 3x3Refinery are two completely different foundations.

SMIFFGIG · Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:20 pm Post subject:

Yuri 05 wrote:

SMIFFGIG wrote:

Kyler Adams wrote:

3x3Refinery.. hmm..

Couldn't that be used for 3x3 Weaponry Factories?

It can be used on any building.......
its simply a 3x3 foundation with the bottom center cell removed

Most likely removed from the refinary to stop the AI clogging up the front of the refinery and preventing units entering
Could also have been programmed before the re-introduction of bibs (just a guess)

I didn't know 3x3 has an removed cell from the bottom. But, in your mod, TS:Retro, I don't remember I could build there. So, it has been somehow made so, that you can't build there, but your units can go there?

Eh !? I dont use '3x3Refinery' in TSR for any structure, the refinary in TSR uses '3x3' just like vanilla TS

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Crimsonum · Seth **Joined**: 14 Jul 2005 **Location**: Fineland

oh, I thought "3x3" IS 3x3refinery....sorry, I know they're two different things now.

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Clazzy · Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject:

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the refinary in TSR uses '3x3' just like vanilla TS

You mean 4x3, of course? Wink

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Nyerguds · Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:27 am Post subject:

Kyler Adams wrote:

The TD/RA foundations were under the whole SHP, meaning, you could click the very top of the antenna on the AGT and you'd select it just as well as the center of the tower bit..

wtf? totally not true. AGT is one cell, only you have to have a spare cell above it (which simply means you can't build it off the top of the map). But even that spare cell can still be built on.

In fact, the Hand of Nod's can have a SAM site almost completely hidden behind the hand part. The actual space taken by the hand of Nod is only three cells. Two to the side, and then one down at the right side. The space behind the hand is 100% free. Same with the GDI weapons factory (which looks like 9 cells but is actually only 6, not counting the bib), the Temple of Nod (same as weap), and the Obelisk (same as AGT).

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Clarkson · Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:21 am Post subject:

3x3 refinery's blank space is used in RA1, and a pain in the as if you disable bibs, AI has a tendency to place pillboxes/tesla coils/flame turrets/porn studios where the ore trucks dump, thus they get clogged up.

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Clazzy · Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:47 pm Post subject:

The Red Alert refinery had a bizarre shape, and wasn't 3x3Refinery. It was 3x3 with an extra cell at the top middle.

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Mr. Pokey · Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject:

Were there any buildings small enough to hide in the gaps in the RA refinery (that would remain hidden using the rest of the building)?

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Crimsonum · Seth **Joined**: 14 Jul 2005 **Location**: Fineland

umn...no...wait, yes, the barrels. I know they're not buildable. I don't think there were any else.

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Nyerguds · Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject:

Clazzy wrote:

The Red Alert refinery had a bizarre shape, and wasn't 3x3Refinery. It was 3x3 with an extra cell at the top middle.

C&C1 ref is exactly the same shape.

_X_
XXX
XXX
VVV

_ open
X building
V bib

So the basic shape is 2x3, with 1 extra cell on top on the space that is normally passable.
In C&C1 there's a "building width" setting that determines where the game draws the gfx of a building, and what kind of bib it gets. This is directly related to the kind of foundation it has.
The building width setting of the Refinery in C&C is the same as that of the Temple/Warfactory, namely the one indicating a 2x3 building with 3x3 gfx. Only exception on the Ref is the extra cell on top.