Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:09 am Post subject:
Westwood did the same but why just blame EA?
Subject description: Beta screenshots.
Every time WW did release a game them did post scrennshot *beta*
IS was kickass gfx on it right?
Start whit the firstC&C game.
PS: EA did not buy WW before them was 60% finish whit TS. And when WW did
job whit RA 2.
This mech was not ingame. I dont konw. Next picture.
Look is people in the water. This is not ingame. Why them remove it?
Look on the conyard. Is got the Nod logo on it. Even Hand of Nod got the Nod
logo. Next picutre.
Look on the humwee look how them are. Is look like a civillian car.
Why them did remove this ion anim?
So why did WW post like this picture when infantry cant go in water?
Them did remove the Nod logo from Hand og Nod and conyard. I think GDI did
have the GDI logo on the conyard and barracks too.
Red Alert 1
Now go too the Red Alert pic and story.
Red Alert 1 should be a expand pack too the old C&C ( first Command &
Conquer game ) but when WW did make the game. Them change the name too Red
Alert 1 becouse is was 2 new side and new technology.
PS: EA did not finish this game.
Look on this gfx on the boat and explsion and even the flame anim?
Look on the cruiser when is fire thats a nice anim. Desotryer look on the
missile smoke. Look on the pillbox how is fire out from the building and
even pillbox are on Soviet side o.O. The mammoth hit the APC look how is
look. Look real becouse is fire from thats side.
Look on this when a cannon fire and miss the target look on the water. IS
blow up nice.
Lets go too the next Command and Conquer game.
Tiberium sun
The new C&C some do Kane make Nod and GDI fight.
Red Alert 1 did have kane whit it. But lets talk Nod and GDI fight for the
tiberium but GDI fight even for freedom too. ( Jion GDI for save lifes
shomting like thats ) Lets see on the kickass beta scrennshot.
First:
This screenshot wow. We start whit the Radar. The radar map is good but in
the TS u can buy is like RA 1 and RA 2 radar map.
Cameo: This cameo are kickass but TS have crappy cameo now. The text should
be smaller like them did after them make new crappy cameos.
Vxl ( voxel ): This vxl is nice the Nod APC is kickass. Titan was in vxl but
now is in SHP some do it look beter.
Buildings ( SHP ): Power plant is nice. Radar did have the drop pod thing
but them in WW did or make a new builing some call Advance tech center.
Infantry ( SHP ): Look on them. Them are small and cute but the news are big
and dont fit in a tanks. =S. Next pixture.
Hover MRLS is nice. Tick tank was good them did redone and the infantry.
But when look on the missile and fire thing is nice.
Now stealth tank was not good is look kickass like is now =P. Look on the
Alpha light thing is huge is look crap how is look ingame now. Is small and
yeah :S.
Look on the ION CANNON is damn sexy nice anim but yeah WW did remove it. The
explosion are sexy even the laser are evil but now is look yeah .
Look how the metor are is kickass. Even the civillians buildings blow up
like hell .
[img]http://media.pc.ign.com/media/003/003851/img_1317409.html[/img]
Look here the Nod got MAmmoth tanks. Look on it is nice.
Look on cameo is 2 building some dont are ingame Dropship bay and Tech
center or what is it.
Look on the laser turret them are sexy <3.
Let's go too the Red Alert serie again.
Red Alert 2
Red Alert 2 is from Red Alert 1 but Red Alert 2 is crap. Is got Cartoon gfx
when is could got kickass gfx here are some scrennshot.
The Ra 2 logo was change this is should be.
Is a movie on the internet i dont find it but is show how the logo is anim.
Look on the nuke look on the builings is kickass.
Look on every thing is 100% anothers REd Alert 2 game then is it.
Look this is nice GFX. I love this but what is now =S.
Nice. Iron Curtain is nice SHP tesla coil is nice..
This is man call a Eiffel Tower. Nice detail and every thing.
Nice smokey from the rocket nice explosion on the ship when is blow. IS nice GFX.
[img]http://media.pc.ign.com/media/014/014542/img_1369972.html[/img]
Look the Allied have the flak cannon. Look on the building how is blow up. The rest of it fly --> and is a nice explosion. Even the pillbox fire 2 times from difficult sides.
Look on this buildings.. IS nice look on the refinery. Every thing is nice.
Look on the radar. The weather Storm anim is nice too.
Look on the prims laser. Nice even WW and EA did remove this from the mission o.O.
Renegade
Renegade the first man shooter from C&C. Even this game did have some nice beta screenshot.
[img]Generals[/img]
Generals is the last C&C from EA when them release C&C3 is generals old. :p. BTW why just blame EA when ww did make it too? But EA just finish the game?
So thats i want too come too is WW ( WestWood ) Did the same like EA. Why just blame EA and dont WW ? Them did post kickass gfx too ? _________________ Can you hide from me ? QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:20 am Post subject:
dude, wtf?
about the C&C1 pics...
1. That mech was from a trailer for TS included in C&C1. Meaning it's actually very early TS concept art. More specifically, it's the unit that eventually evolved to the Wolverine in TS.
2. How can they 'remove' it if it's not ingame anyway? -_-
3. I got several beta C&C movies showing the logos on buildings and the different colour schemes. It seemed they actually used a combination of both red and grey on all Nod stuff. The only thing that remains of that idea are the grey nod units.
They probably removed the logo stuff because they made several structured DoubleOwned.
4. Indeed, looks like a civvie car. why do you think they CHANGED it in the final release?
5. I think this pic is from a map editor... it's definitely not ingame. The chinook doesn't have rotors and the Nod units are red.
6. Uhhhh that's not a beta pic at all, it's just DOS C&C. That ion animation is STILL the same <_<
Overall comments on the beta pics: WW DID NOT 'REMOVE' THE NICE GRAPHICS. They just PHOTOSHOPPED the beta screenies to MAKE THEM LOOK BETTER. _________________ Last edited by Nyerguds on Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:57 am; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:53 am Post subject:
As Nyerguds said, WW photoshopped most of their screenshots, it's a very well-known fact. As well, the Eiffel Tower was removed from RA2 for legal reasons. On the final screenshot, the Prism Towers were probably removed from that mission because you didn't have a very high tech level (if I recall) and didn't have Apocs. As such, destroying the Prism Towers with anything but V3s would have been difficult.
If you look at other games, things are removed. Early screenshots of Half Life looked very different to how it turned out, there was a lot shown in its sequel that was cut, too. It's far more noticeable in C&C games because they were always hyped over and we're big fans of the series. Other games are the same. _________________
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you know i did see a guy walking in the mid puddle in game.so the 1 about water:failed to approve
and the last cnc 1 about the ion anme,its from the nintendo 64 version so ion animation:failed missarble to have made any sence. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
The fact they look so good is because WW were running the game with some sort of 3d acceleration when those screenshots were captured so everything looks smoother and crisper.
The reason everything is different is because they are beta screenshots! WW photoshpped their screenshots, so things that you see in them that weren't in the finished game probably never existed at all.
And, because they were beta shots things change, do you really think every game ends up exactly how it was planned at the start? You just have to look at concept art for nearly any game to know that's not true. QUICK_EDIT
exactly.thats why the unit texture on the tank on generals looks way to uneven and non the less detailed.if you were to realy play generals in that kind of condition........lets just to hell to EA.not only that they are beta shots,the unit and graphics were still at beta as well.looking realy difrent from in game.so like alex06 sais,stop complaining .okay im going to stop posting lol,i think i said what i could. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject:
Paris complained about RA2? I thought all the 'changes'(Eiffel, Arc De Triumph, World Trade Center) being renamed to Paris Tower, Paris Victory Arch and 'Building' were just Post-9/11 Fallout. Thats why the Arc De Triumph too got changed to look so shitty?
BTW:
Those Tiberian Sun ones arent photoshop. Well not the first four. Those are E3 ones. And about Renegade, Those certainly are not photoshop. That game had a totally different concept at one time and was actually truely enjoyable unlike the crock of shit we have now. _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject:
concept art exists for the sole purpose to show what the game is NOT going to be like. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
Those Tiberian Sun ones arent photoshop. Well not the first four. Those are E3 ones. And about Renegade, Those certainly are not photoshop. That game had a totally different concept at one time and was actually truely enjoyable unlike the crock of shit we have now.
I thinnk they are. If they were taken from live playable version of the game at E3 don't you think the sidebar would change between shots and the radar would match? QUICK_EDIT
I mean Alex on his tread say generals did look kickass. He say generals going too be like thats. I mean look Alex look on this too.
The paris tower ingame is crap. :S
And i mean why show is kickass GFX thats them do is lire too the gamers and thats mean not so many buy it. _________________ Can you hide from me ? QUICK_EDIT
Them did remove the Nod logo from Hand og Nod and conyard. I think GDI did have the GDI logo on the conyard and barracks too.
This doesn't seem to have been brought up, but.. the Construction Yard WAS originally side-specific, the buildup for the GDI Construction Yard is in the C&C mixes, just.. partially incomplete, PUMPMAKE.SHP.
I dunno why GDI would bother putting their logo on the Infantry Barracks, tho.. _________________ "Banned" RP here QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:09 pm Post subject:
friday-13th wrote:
you know i did see a guy walking in the mid puddle in game.so the 1 about water:failed to approve
and the last cnc 1 about the ion anme,its from the nintendo 64 version so ion animation:failed missarble to have made any sence.
...wrong on both accounts... infantry can't wade through water; there aren't even graphics for that.
And that ion shot is simply a DOS C&C screenshot. I've made that animated GIF there myself from the SHP animation extracted form C&C. It's the same in C&C95.
Paris complained about RA2? I thought all the 'changes'(Eiffel, Arc De Triumph, World Trade Center) being renamed to Paris Tower, Paris Victory Arch and 'Building' were just Post-9/11 Fallout. Thats why the Arc De Triumph too got changed to look so shitty?
Dude WTF, RA2 was released before 9-11. Otherwise there would be no way you could DEMOLISH THE TWIN TOWERS in the game
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I dunno why GDI would bother putting their logo on the Infantry Barracks, tho..
It's supposed to be on the flag, anyway.
I should make a compilation of all my C&C1 beta vids... from TFD and from some german trailer I got.
(you can watch the german trailer here) Last edited by Nyerguds on Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:49 am; edited 2 times in total QUICK_EDIT
as Tyler said, I don't think they'd put effort doing that.
The TD Ion Cannon blast is, btw, enabled in TFD.
I would realy like to see all explosion, idle, or whatever- animations used in TS, they left out hundreds of explosions, and building animations, like the HoN antenna anim, or the Nod WF light animations above the door. Did they have hurry with Tiberian Sun, or why so? animations already complete, just not enabled. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject:
I KNOW ra2 was out before 9/11, But after all the people bitched and WW re-called RA2's boxart(because the main New York City attack in the fold-out.). The name got changed over patches. _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
The reason renegade became what it is now - is because EA didn't like the idea of going back to TD. They wanted a new time period. So the buildings etc were quickly redesigned. You can blame EA for that one. Oh, and for the non-existance of ren 2. _________________
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in Ren? he was the Commando of the original C&C, though he was just "Commando" back then. EA gave him a name, wo-pi-doo... _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:04 am Post subject:
ztype the C&C MMO. I want Ren 2. That, was imo, what Ren 1 should've been. And just to clear it up, R2 Was NOT going to connect the storylines, R2 was actually between RA2 and YR. A rouge soviet commander related to Romanov has his period and attacks the American pigs. _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
I think most of y'all are missing the point though. Im pissed at EA because Red alert 2 feels nothing like a command and conquer game, it feels like a sci-fi spinoff of every other modern day rts. Im pissed at EA becasue they took the godly alpha of renegade and turned it into crapshit. Im pissed at EA because they defiled the name of Command and Conquer with Generals, which has nothing to do with the red alert nor tiberium universe, every time i hear 'generals universe, i want to kick someone in the balls. Im pissed at EA because with CNC 3 theyre "Updating the fiction to make it more believable" which is thyre way of saying F*** you westwood. Im pissed because theyre is no indication of visceroids or any other tiberium flora or fauna except for that kryptonite shit. Im pissed because tiberium has no more pods. And while i like the old school gdi/nod units, what the hell are they doing bieg used over 50 years later? thats just a sad attept by EA to try and appease us longtime fans. Sure tiberian dawn, red alert, and tiberian sun were rushed and could have been a lot more, but Ea is doing a lot worse things to the series than releasing unpolished games. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:46 am Post subject:
Since we didn't get such nice, delicious, photoshopped things in the original games, why not remake what Westwood gave us into what they showed us and release it as a mod? Just a thought. _________________
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Well.. alot of things are imposible to recreate. I think mods like TS:Retro, RA2: Alpha, Generals Alpha ve done as much as only posible _________________ Gangster is a Project Perfect Wuj (c)Aro QUICK_EDIT
Paris complained about RA2? I thought all the 'changes'(Eiffel, Arc De Triumph, World Trade Center) being renamed to Paris Tower, Paris Victory Arch and 'Building' were just Post-9/11 Fallout. Thats why the Arc De Triumph too got changed to look so shitty?
I was a bit surprised when I saw the Louvre called "Generic World-Famous Museum"... _________________
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i hated TD it sucked the only thing good about it was the videos and story line i can't beleveyour talking about this like its the best thing since sliced bread........whatever.
yeas general is not ..like TD ..but this is command and conquer if you bother to read or watch the TFD cut sences they will tell there trying to expand the command and conquer univirse.
like they said and i quote
"command and conquer was never about the orginal it was about stratiges and base building and real time combat"
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TD was fnkng amazing game for year 95. It had its own style similar to nothing for that time. :\
And your opinion is very common for people who started their acquaintance since latest CnC games like Ts or Ra2 but non of them is close to real CnC as TD . _________________ Gangster is a Project Perfect Wuj (c)Aro QUICK_EDIT
i know that bought the damn orgianal Tiberain dawn sorry but i hate it.
i may of liked it back then but now its just sucks to give you an expample take the mission on nod the data crate where you had to steal on form gdi that mission bored me to tears the only thing i was interested in was the cut sences.
but in 1995 most poeple where into sports games mostly and consoles like the *sega master system* anyway RTS was just starting to be "real time"
we didn't really didn't have much of a choice apart form dune2
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Westwood did the same but why just blame EA?
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.okay im going to stop posting lol,i think i said what i could.
