Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -8.95
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 8.68

Economic Left/Right: 0.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.26

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72

protect the values of society, limit the extent of government

help only who is savable

keep taxes low, and protect the proven rights already existing instead of making them up.

Abortion for one is a violation of the civil rights of the unborn CHILD. Do not pass Go, do not collect 200$. That and Science says "life begins at conception" not a second after.

Who cannot be saved? The poor? The mentally handicapped? The millions of homeless, AIDs-stricken people in Africa? Everybody can be helped in some form and it shouldn't just be a dog-eat-dog world. Humans naturally have compassion and sympathy, we shouldn't just throw it away for personal gain.

Treat everyone like criminals and you end up with violent Revolutions whether the populace was able to bear arms or not.

The savable are only those who are willing to try and help themselves. Most of those you mentioned would rather die than walk away from something as simple as a snake or storm or fire or away from disease/disaster/war/etc. Sorry to be heartless but there are probably more savable people in downtown Denver than the whole continent of Africa.

Proven rights are those that are already written down or explained. Examples include bearing arms in some countries, free speech, free religion, due process in criminal proceedings, freedom of movement, the right to dissent for a few. Made up ones are ones that only fit an ideologies belief rather than mankind such as abortion, lifelong welfare, disarmament and such. As for taxes, you try maintaining a stable and thriving economy when the providers are charged through their teeth with taxes. Take a good long hard look at much of Europe and you will see that point. Or if your lazy, Europe right now is in economic downturn while the US, China, India, Latin America are all on economic upturn. The main difference is taxes and government regulation. Even China has less than France and others implement and they are Communist.

According to Science an organism is complete the second its DNA is fully coded. Besides deeming the unborn to be second-rate to humans is exactly like the old Slaveowners mentality not one iota different.

That's a very noble and idealistic point of view. Maybe it's because you live in a comfortable 1st world country where your definition of poverty is actually the definition of middle class in other areas that you have the luxury of stating that. But if you try to live in a poverty stricken country like Cambodia or Indonesia or Somalia and your resources and chances are just about as equal as the people living there, well wether your views on life would change will have to be re-determined.

incurring my idealistic self, yes, I agree with you and one man should help another. But realistically, that just isn't the case with the world. Take a look around. the percentage of people who would actually care and provide for others is typically less than 10% (or even less). And don't forget that people already have affairs of their own and wouldn't care at all if other people were dying every second.

The truth of the matter is, it IS a dog-eat-dog world. whatever we do, it will remain that way. You might say that 'Oh come on, the world can't stay like this forever where there's the A-class and the B-class and the C,D,E classes' but the numbers are whitewashed. Those who fall in the category of 'needing help' multiply geometrically while those who are actually, genuinely wanting to help them hardly increase in number.

"Not my fault PPM has no right-wing people outside myself and Clazzy just asked for a fight"

asked for a fight, how very stupid of you, you must think that you are completely right, and that you had to teach your obvisouly superior*PRIDE* way of seeing things to clazzy ?

the people not agreeing with you must always be asking for a fight eh ?


i'd enjoy if you did not turn this into a nationalist issue, if you want to keep claiming that america is great, i'll make sure to teach you otherwise*notice the fact that someguy apparently is proud of where he was born, even though he has had absolutely no hand in it, this is called pride, one of the 7 deadly sins (which the christian inhabitants of course are so quick to warn against , never mind that they are the most sinful ) *

all this bullshit about "life", tell me why that unborn baby is important, why would you force people to have children when they don't want to ?
why should something that has done absolutely NO GOOD be seen as more important than the woman that has done what society asked of her for so long?

tell me , who's cause is it that socialism doesn't work ?
the ones doing their jobs and helping fellow humans, or those firmly convinced that they are the center of the world and that they should live better lives at the cost of others ?

socialism IS a good system, it's the people that screw others over that make it an unpractical system

until people change, the world won't become better, and people like you that aren't willing to help people at the cost of yourself are the main problem.

"Gitmo is different than the US constitution. For one Gitmo is MILITARY and the Constitution applies to CIVILIANS. (albeit it does have some tug on military issues) Combatants captured in the field are not granted civilian rights nor should they be. "

tell me, are kidnapped cvilians combatants ?

i'll make my views real simple
humans are a bunch of clothed animals, we call ourselves important, intelligent, advanced and creative, we aren't anything special until we work together

we're still greedy,even if that harms everyone, we aren't willing to think calmly about problems, we aren't willing to share and most importantly, we aren't willing to learn from errors

people act purely on instinct and emotion?
greed comes from acting illogically*like animals*, in the animal kingdom you protect your own interests, ignoring the fact that working together would greatly benefit everyone

violence comes from acting like animals* ANY problem can be solved by simple discussion, it's simple human pride and foolishness that stops one of the sides of a discussion from admitting they are wrong *

overpopulaton , acting like animals, there's no NEED to have over 2 children, it's simple lust and animal instinct that causes a lot of problems * tied in with violence of course, pack leader behaviour *

pollution ?, acting like animals, taking the easiest most cost-effective way , while ignoring environment* greed *

almost ALL problems come from humans acting without thinking logically

the only way that the world will become a better place is people doing away with their instinct/emotions when thinking about a situation/problem.
people accepting that they aren't unique or special would be a great step forwards as well

let me define TRUE freedom

people keep saying that they have the right to do whatever they want, they often forget that this is WRONG

you may do whatever you want as long as you DO NOT cause harm in any way

if everyone followed the above idea of freedom, it would be another great step forward

Im trying not to but every one of these types of debates turns into a "youre American so therefore your opinion doesnt count" bullshit like that so I have to be that way. If I agreed with the pack then Ive thrown away my free will.

The second that egg is fertilized by the sperm its no longer in the control of either the man or the woman. Besides all life is sacred and at the minimum deserves a chance to at least live. Also whats to stop that child from becoming one of the greatest people this Earth has ever had to live? Little to nothing outside an abortion of that potential. Theres a little thing called patience thats apparently in shortage these days due to people saying "I dont HAVE to have kids but if that situation arises I can just abort!"

The cause why it doesnt work is that Socialism is reverse incentive. In short punish success and reward failure or mediocrity.

Dont forget the fact it basically kills all form of competition or incentive or even the will to work knowing that someone out there under that system is livin it up not lifting a finger to help out. its called Welfare Moms and it WAS a problem in this country and apparently still is in others.

Ill help people but only if they are willing to help themselves. Not many people stuck in those situations can comprehend that maybe if ya walked away from a bad situation in the first place you already have taken the first step to bettering yourself. Most people under any kind of international/local aid dont seem to know that.

If the civilians had weapons and were aiming them at other people then yes. If they didnt have a weapon and/or were not threatening to harm or not harming people then no.

What a low opinion you have on humanity. Considering sometimes the single must be able to do something the many cannot or will not do.

only if there is no consequence of their actions. Also if working together benefits everyone then tell me what do you do to those who merely take the benefits and dont contribute? In capitalistic economies that person fails and goes away, in others that person becomes a leech on the system.

Humans have always fought each other over something. You cant have even 2 people in the same room without an argument or fight breaking out eventually.

Sure and living communally did wonders for peoples life expectancy by using the can like animals and then it went into the water supply.
Also you cant get people to pull a Vulcans situation where they cast their emotions away. Its brought many great things and at the same time many bad things but its HUMAN to have them.

Thats exactly how it works here in America. Do the wtf you please until it affects someone else. Then that ends and consequence begins.

If modern society collapsed, everybody would be in the same boat and everything could be started again. The core problems with this world nowadays come from one thing and one thing only:
Money.

Think about that for a moment, before money people lived together in communities and shared what they made. Farmers tended to the land, reared animals and fed people, clothmakers made clothes, blacksmiths would make tools for the other trades, miners would get coal, lumberjacks wood and so on and soforth. The group had to work together and a loss of an individual was a loss to everybody. When money came along, people then worked for their own gain to get as much money as possible. People stop caring about other people when they get wealth, simply put. Unfortunately, we can't just abolish money, but helping our fellow man is a good start to a fairer and better society.

Gitmo is different than the US constitution. For one Gitmo is MILITARY and the Constitution applies to CIVILIANS. (albeit it does have some tug on military issues) Combatants captured in the field are not granted civilian rights nor should they be.

Pay attention to whats happening over there. Has Africa actually improved in the last 20 years? If anything its gotten worse! Darfur for example NOBODY is even trying to escape the genocide. Not because they cant, but because they want someone to save them from it for them. Just like Katrina where nobody in the SuperDome was willing to simply walk out of the city and was waiting for someone to rescue them the people in Darfur and all of Africa are the same way. You cant help he who wont help himself. Tis a waste.

So it was a generalization but do you really think outside the UK, Europe has superior economy than anywhere in the world? Statistics say no.

Calling us Americans stingy? Look whos been listening to Annan too much. By all statistics the United States donated THE most gross money to the relief effort and even sent soldiers to help people and evacuate injured in the 2004 Tsunami. Linky below that shows the US donated THE MOST.

Communal living may have been there in the early days but you are forgetting one key thing. Standard of living. They had to do so since farming techniques and means of survival were so rudimentary that one-man subsistance was near impossible. Whereas money and modern economy created exponential quantities of food that primitive societies couldonly dream about, technology to create that, countless other innovations and designs were made by money. Including but not limited to: Internet, Restaurants (any), Firefighting equipment, better building materials, modern medicine, automobiles, ships, exploration, space travel, aircraft, the train, furniture, many arts, printing press, and the list goes on and on and on. Its not likely someone would have made those without incentive to merely "benefit all the world". People are naturally greedy when they get ideas and make them and the saying is true in this world that economically "Nice guys finish last".

The second that egg is fertilized by the sperm its no longer in the control of either the man or the woman. Besides all life is sacred and at the minimum deserves a chance to at least live. Also whats to stop that child from becoming one of the greatest people this Earth has ever had to live? Little to nothing outside an abortion of that potential. Theres a little thing called patience thats apparently in shortage these days due to people saying "I dont HAVE to have kids but if that situation arises I can just abort!"

The cause why it doesnt work is that Socialism is reverse incentive. In short punish success and reward failure or mediocrity.

Humans have always fought each other over something. You cant have even 2 people in the same room without an argument or fight breaking out eventually.

Also you cant get people to pull a Vulcans situation where they cast their emotions away. Its brought many great things and at the same time many bad things but its HUMAN to have them.

Thats exactly how it works here in America. Do the wtf you please until it affects someone else. Then that ends and consequence begins.

Oh yes, let's use a FICTIONAL race of ALIENS as a basis for an argument. Oh joy!

Like hell theyre entitled to a trial. Theyre flippin lucky they are still alive! if I was in command there Id say blast all prisoners in the field if they still have weapons. Nothing in the Geneva Conventions says an army cannot eradicate an enemy army to the last man if they arent POWs.

Then explain why that system fails on those who have ideas that outside that world would make them wealthy? According to that system, Sir Richard Branson never should have come about and he never technically graduated High School and hes one of the richest sumnabitches on this planet all because he had an idea and built upon it.

Sources please on that or you are just making shit up. The last time "thoughtcrime" happened was the Sedition Act of 1798 and it was challenged, thrown out and reparations were made to all those affected.

Abortion hurts women it doesn't empower them. Abortion causes: an increased risk of breast, ovarian and cervical cancer, an increased incidence of severe depression, potential damage to the cervix which can lead to miscarriage of other babies, increased risk of ectopic pregnancy, risk of being unable bear children again due to scarring, and severe abdominal pain.

If you are raped it would still be better emotionally and physically to have the child and then give the child up for adoption. Abortion disrupts a natural process of the body in a way that is very violent to the women's body emotionally and physically. Rape is horrible enough. Why intensify her pain more through abortion.

Why do people think that just because you get rid of the baby the pain goes away and everything is peachy? I knew someone who had an abortion. I had pleaded with her, not to have the abortion. She is agnostic though anddidn't think that abortion was wrong and saw it as being a very positive choice. After she got the abortion she became very depressed and told me that she was going to commit suicide because of her abortion. It affected her that much. She also started sleeping around a lot with whomever because her self esteem had plummeted. I have had to console her often. Don't give me any bull about how great abortion is for women.

That happens all the time and isn't solely something to do with abortion and it's quite possible someone who had an abortion could go onto be very happy.

Surely normal methods of giving birth can also have the same risks? Everything causes cancer it'd seem anyway.

If you ask me, this part of the debate about abortion will prove to be inconclusive sooner or later... just as it has in many other debates I've seen and heard . A debate on abortion cannot be resolved IMHO