Joined: 18 Feb 2005 Location: Star Kingdom of Manticore
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:12 am Post subject:
A jump in patriotism
This means alot to me... I just want comments.
I've decided something today.
I've decided I am going to defend the most powerful nation on earth.
On September 11, 2001, A nation awoke. Along with it's horror, awoke it's courage. The world watched, as it arose to the test, and proved itself as the most powerful nation on the face of the planet. When the trumpets of a nation call out, few answer. But those who do, are remembered... Forever.
I have decided to answer to that call. I have finally done the task, and set my future. I am now officially part of the United States Air Force.
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_________________ "Reality is a lovely place, but I wouldn't want to live there." -Adam Young Last edited by daTS on Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:26 pm; edited 7 times in total QUICK_EDIT
Uh congratulations, I guess. Just be careful, I'd hate to wake up one morning and see your wife posting that something has happened to you... QUICK_EDIT
_________________ "Reality is a lovely place, but I wouldn't want to live there." -Adam Young Last edited by daTS on Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:46 am; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
I swear you announced you had a fiance a few months back. Well then, I'd hate to wake up one morning and realize you haven't posted in awhile because you were shot down over some god forsaken sand trap over seas... QUICK_EDIT
I'm numb, I don't know what to say, to be either with or against...
EDIT: Well, I think it's awesome to be in air forces, like my dad was, but in UN it's a bit risky...no one knows when Bush announces to attack Canada in another Anti-Terrorism war... _________________ QUICK_EDIT
So are you in the DEP program or have you already enlisted? I was in for four years and I could answer some of the questions you might have. Last edited by cdmt on Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:30 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
I am going to defend the most powerful nation on earth.
Now that statement is incorrect and I apologize for what I say if it may offend you but you have to realize that American is not the only superpower in the world.Sure it may beat Russia and China in industrial capacity but that does not compensate for the inadequate military equipment america posses. Take for example the M1A2 SEP the Abrams only advantage over the ZTZ-99 and T-90 is in GPS but that lead will soon be lost. In a real battle the Abrams would easily get destroyed by a T-90 or a ZTZ-99 especially due to the american inexperience with application of ERA. America is an empire slowly crumbling (ex in Iraq , Afghanistan etc...) so even with the amount of man power they have they have overstretched themselves logistically. Just my two cents. _________________ "Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live." QUICK_EDIT
Universal, military might is not the way in which power is weighted anymore. If it came down to it, the United States could very easily end this miserable little world. Tanks are no longer the mainstay of an army, communications are. With the improvements in battlefield communication that America has made they could very easily send soldiers into battle with nothing for than a Laser Painter and completely eradicate everything from enemy fortifications to enemy armor.
\\//,DedmanWalkin _________________ "deth is only the beginning," Imhotep from 'The Mummy' QUICK_EDIT
Communications in cooperation with other factors are the true mainstay of the armies. One cannot win without the true unity and cooperation of them. The improvements that America has made has been matched by other armies in the world for example lets take into account the american 'future soldier' gear Germany,Russia,China and possibly the UK have also matched and surpassed it. _________________ "Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live." QUICK_EDIT
if the most powerful nation will behave like that, something more terrible than 11/09 can happen.
Just stop pwning everybody who doesn't agree with you and everything will be fine.
no offense to you. I hate not American citizens but American government.
from "American to Human language translation":
Dictator = a leader who doesn't agree with America
Peacekeeping action = war
Point bombing = annihilated everything within several kilometers
Supporting true government = helping puppet leader
Terrorists = enemies of the USA
Proud freedom fighters = Americans
Dictatorships and Tiranies = regimes that are independent from USA politics
Civilisation = USA
Barbarians = all other countries. QUICK_EDIT
I am going to defend the most powerful nation on earth.
Now that statement is incorrect and I apologize for what I say if it may offend you but you have to realize that American is not the only superpower in the world.Sure it may beat Russia and China in industrial capacity but that does not compensate for the inadequate military equipment america posses. Take for example the M1A2 SEP the Abrams only advantage over the ZTZ-99 and T-90 is in GPS but that lead will soon be lost. In a real battle the Abrams would easily get destroyed by a T-90 or a ZTZ-99 especially due to the american inexperience with application of ERA. America is an empire slowly crumbling (ex in Iraq , Afghanistan etc...) so even with the amount of man power they have they have overstretched themselves logistically. Just my two cents.
Oh ye of little knowledge. FYI: the M1A2 abrams has one advantage the T-90 can only dream about, speed. The Abrams can make SUSTAINED travel on most surfaces at 35-40 MPH and 45 on roads. Thats faster than any other tank in the world. Add to that theres 3 major fallacies in your argument. 1) since the Abrams armor strength is classified there is no way in hell to know what ammunition short of aircraft based may be able to compete with it. 2) Abrams crews are the currently most combat experienced in the world. The men behind those machines know tank warfare in and out. 3) The Abrams can ACCURATELY fire on the move at top speeds. The T-90s basic design is old school Soviet tactics and weaponry essentially. Also one problem the ERA you said about is massively overrated. QUICK_EDIT
I think there is something the guys in the Abrams tanks should be telling themselves.
Thankgod the British gave us Chobham armour, now the only thing better then us is the British Challenger 2 tank made with Dorcester Chobham armour.
The fastest the Abrams can go off road is 30mph.
Russia? How are they a superpower, they where in the Cold War but they are not now. And the T-90 is not strong at all. _________________ My name is Shadow... I am Lord of the Shadows! NOD rules!!!!
Abrams crews are the currently most combat experienced in the world. The men behind those machines know tank warfare in and out.
damn, I remember those Iraqi photos posted by Creator at Revora. I laughed a lot at your "experienced" tank drivers, especially on the one where an Abrams occasionly fell from a brigde QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: evanb90 Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Location: o kawaii koto
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:51 pm Post subject:
Well, lets look at it this way.
1: No military is perfect. I am sure the Russians are absolutely perfect with their tanks and have no slip ups.
2: Abrams may be surpassed by Challenger, and as Universal says, the T-90 and that other tank(not caring enough to look), but if that is true, it is no Tiger to Sherman relationship,so the real determining factor is tank crewman skill, and quantity of the tank. America has alot more Abrams than the British have Challengers, (AKAIK), and probably more than the Russians have those 2 tanks.
But, the Challenger indefinitely owns the Abrams because of this "The Challenger 2's ability to brew tea for the crew from inside the tank. The tank contains a boiler for water which can be used to produce hot beverages and heat 'boil-in-the-bag' meals contained in ration packs. (Every British tank since the Centurion has this ability to heat water.)"
@Dats- Good job! A great undertaking. _________________ YR modder/artist, DOOM mapper, aka evanb90
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China will be the most powerful nation on earth..... soon enough
@ daTS, congratulations. few things can be more glorious fighting for one's motherland.. especially from the cockpit of an F-22 Raptor!! . my favorite plane is the Su-27 Flanker though.. and maybe the F-15 eagle QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:51 am Post subject:
I'm gonna carpet bomb you to H*** chikenhead - if you're going to call america greatest nation... there just isn't one - every country's had it's laws!
BTW - what about you're girlfriend? _________________ DUNK! QUICK_EDIT
Oh ye of little knowledge. FYI: the M1A2 abrams has one advantage the T-90 can only dream about, speed. The Abrams can make SUSTAINED travel on most surfaces at 35-40 MPH and 45 on roads. Thats faster than any other tank in the world. Add to that theres 3 major fallacies in your argument. 1) since the Abrams armor strength is classified there is no way in hell to know what ammunition short of aircraft based may be able to compete with it. 2) Abrams crews are the currently most combat experienced in the world. The men behind those machines know tank warfare in and out. 3) The Abrams can ACCURATELY fire on the move at top speeds. The T-90s basic design is old school Soviet tactics and weaponry essentially. Also one problem the ERA you said about is massively overrated.
The Russian tanks can fire ATGM's on the move and they can fire accurately because their stabilizer is stabilized in two planes. The T-90S can make a sustained road speed of 60kilometres per hour and can move in almost any kind of terrain (look at the abrams abu dabue incident where it lost its track on the course because of the terrain yet the T-90 didnt lose its track and came out good.). How can you say the T90S is old when you are clearly influenced by NATO propaganda. The T90S is clearly one of the best tanks in the world. Now the Leopard 2A6 EX is without a doubt the best in the world. _________________ "Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live." QUICK_EDIT
China has the most soldiers, it's true. But their equipment is dated. They are currently in the process of procuring tech from the US.
*Tech building captured*
PS: From the Mk1, the abrams has had some very spiffy range-finding equipment. And the sabot rounds were quite effective. _________________
[quote="Lt A1br3cht"]Kill it with fire!!!!!!!!!!![/quote] QUICK_EDIT
Process of procuring tech from the US is incorrect rather they are producing indigenous designs or buying russian equipment. _________________ "Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live." QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 18 Feb 2005 Location: Star Kingdom of Manticore
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:10 am Post subject:
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Every goddamned one of you better understand something.
You dont see me dissing everybody else's country here
You dont see me saying "omg you siad your country was da best... you're wrong"
But disrespecing <i>MY</i> country in <i>MY</i> topic is something I will [b]<u>NOT[/b]</u> tolerate. You have absolutely NO right to disrespect this country and what it stands for. Yeah, there may be some slips up in our way of life, but that by no means makes it wrong.
We've lost several thousand good men out in the sandbox, and for you to disrespect them, it just makes me want to hunt you down and ztyping deck you in the jaw. _________________ "Reality is a lovely place, but I wouldn't want to live there." -Adam Young QUICK_EDIT
it is good that you feel very strongly about the United States of America daTS. people like you who are willing to defend their motherland were what made that country great. I can understand your pride as the world owes much to the U.S. in its part in the 1st and 2nd world wars where without its help the world would be in a lot of muck today.
however, don't forget that while the U.S. IS currently the strongest nation on earth as of today, it has done many things grave in the past to get to where it is today. If you knew what the americans did to the Philippines and its natives, what they did to the native americans (i.e. the 'indians'), the japanese etc., perhaps you would see why some people react negatively to your country.
hmm, but then again practically every nation that ever came to power more or less did similar things...
don't get me wrong, I'm not berrating you, your country or your people in your thread, I really think it's a good thing that you live your idealism.
@ tank discussion, AFAIK, no M1A2 Abrams has been destroyed by another tank yet. It can be disabled in numerous ways but has yet to be destroyed by another tank in tank to tank combat. There have been Challenger II fatalities but they were caused by blue to blue. the T90 might look imposing but besides its gun and speed, it has yet to prove that it can outlast the current top ranking MBTs to be named THE best in the world Last edited by IVI on Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:50 am; edited 2 times in total QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 18 Feb 2005 Location: Star Kingdom of Manticore
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:46 am Post subject:
Every great nation has done something grave in it's past. I know what the US did a hiroshima and nagasake, I know what they did to the natives...
But that is all a consequince of of being a great nation. _________________ "Reality is a lovely place, but I wouldn't want to live there." -Adam Young QUICK_EDIT
Ok, historical comments.... USA wouldn't have done anything if they weren't attacked during WW1 and WW2. In WW1, USA just made the war end faster, but a lot of progress was done before they entered. Also, if the Germans didn't sank that civilian cruiser, they wouldn't have given a damn about the war.
WW2, if the Japanese didn't attack Pearl Harbor, same thing, the USA wouldn't have cared. Also, USA made WW2 end faster, but the Russians and British made more progress and they were already wining.
I feel kinda weird, first I considered the USA as paradise for me, and know, I could hardly say I like something about that place, or maybe it's just Bush. QUICK_EDIT
daTS, I am sorry for what any harm I said, but let this be known. USA is a greedy nation in the Irag war, They didn't let the British or other Coalition help them in Iraq, and they messed up. Basra is fine only one or two bombings in the last few months, because the Brits could handle it. But the USA have lost over 2,000 men so far, the Brits less then 200. If they would let the coalition help them, it would be spread out.
Now I am not being biased, as we have a bigger problem. And the problem is 110,000!
Thats how big our army is, it should be at LEAST 400,000. At least show more stuff about joining the Army M.O.D! _________________ My name is Shadow... I am Lord of the Shadows! NOD rules!!!!
I feel kinda weird, first I considered the USA as paradise for me, and know, I could hardly say I like something about that place, or maybe it's just Bush.
It's just Bush.
daTS: I respect the men that have been killed & wounded, they were just following orders. It's the top government that I don't like. _________________ "Banned" RP here QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: evanb90 Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Location: o kawaii koto
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject:
Lets put the tank debate in another topic, plz. It would be interesting. (hehehe, prepares for speculation galore)
This topic is about how Dats has joined the military to protect his nation.
A admirable decision, a great one. _________________ YR modder/artist, DOOM mapper, aka evanb90
Project Lead Developer, New-Star Strike (2014-)
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I admire you. In fact if it wasn't for my mom I would have joined the airforce too. Anyway I have respect for you. People it's wrong bashing Anthony for being patriotic to his country. He isn't doing anything wrong. His government made big mistakes but Bush is down now anyways. he can't do harm anymore. Anthony promise me you won't crash down or become a victim to enemy AA in the future or i will hunt you down in the afterlife . Good luck buddy _________________ Criticizing n00bs is like booing at the special olympics. QUICK_EDIT
If you want to compare weaponry, go mod Armed Assault
The greatest reason why people hate Americans is that they are calling themselves the "greatest".
And true, China and India will be bigger superpowers than US, sooner or later. Anyway, I think... people always bashes US, but who bashes China for what it's doing? It's much worse than ten Iraqs. Who bashes Putin for what he's doing to whole Europe? _________________ Time will tell...
Sooner or later...
Time will tell... QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:29 pm Post subject:
Off topic, but relating to Mice-16's statement- China still has about 100 something Tu-16 "Badger" bombers in service(Yes, the RA1 bomber, kids.)
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damn, I remember those Iraqi photos posted by Creator at Revora. I laughed a lot at your "experienced" tank drivers, especially on the one where an Abrams occasionly fell from a brigde
Link plz? _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
No one bashes anything that Russia or China do because they are generally seen as the bad guys and you typically don't bash bad guys for being bad. People like to bash the good guys when they do bad but they don't ever do anything when they do good.
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No one bashes anything that Russia or China do because they are generally seen as the bad guys and you typically don't bash bad guys for being bad. People like to bash the good guys when they do bad but they don't ever do anything when they do good.
\\//,DedmanWalkin
What do you mean bad guys? sorry to say it but I believe the reason why you think that U.S. is the good guys and China, Russia are the bad guys is the result of U.S. propaganda throughout the decades or perhaps it is because you live in a country inside the U.S., sphere of influence (or the U.S. itself) . What you stated isn't a fact, but rather a lopsided generalization.
It isn't right to label Russia, China as the bad guys just as the U.S. shouldn't be berated for what they are. QUICK_EDIT
You made my point IVI, though in retrospect I should have put 'good' and 'bad' in quotation marks. I wasn't indeed trying to say that China and Russia are bad but because we are so often lead by the media to believe that they are evil conspirators in the downfall of society.
However, I do believe that the US is for the most part a good country it is just that evil beaurocracy and corruption have produced very bad results.
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:15 am Post subject:
What make sa ountry good or bad is not primarily dependent on its economy or population, but how well its citizens live in harmony ith eachother (yeah that sounds corny, but its true)
I consider the US a great ntion just for the fact that I can jump in my car and drive anywhere--library, school, the roads too are provided by the gov't. I can jump on my bike and go to church without any fear of REAL persecution.
In China for example they're allowed to kill on the sopt--citizen or no-- if they see you promoting religeon. That's not freedom in MY book.
(on the inverse however it's also good to recognize some religeon CAN be harmful. I've heard more than a few actually say suicide bombing is okay, just beause it's "what they believe")
It's not the nation that's reat; a nation is a concept; an illusion.
Last I checked we are all human here, so realistically, we're ALL one big nation. _________________ The Fall of Hammerfest - Epic Tiberian chain story
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject:
One thing the US has that nobody else does...
Fat ppl.
lots and lots of fvcking huge people.
i beleive we indulge in ourselves just too goddamned much.
well.. we have that and we have an awesome public education system (god i love my school.. it's incredible.) _________________ "Reality is a lovely place, but I wouldn't want to live there." -Adam Young QUICK_EDIT
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A jump in patriotism
. my favorite plane is the Su-27 Flanker though.. and maybe the F-15 eagle
. What you stated isn't a fact, but rather a lopsided generalization.
