Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:04 am Post subject:
IVI Restored/Modified Challenger 2 [TS]
Here's another old MBT, outfitted, upgraded and restored by IVI with new re-forming ceramic armor, 105mm Mass driver, caseless miniguns, self-contained cold fusion reactors, upgraded HUD-weaponry control systems and most importantly for a Challenger 2: new built-in tea and coffee brewing options
M1A2 Abramses due for upgrades are running in short supply. That's because they aren't in production anymore. Until such time that IVI reproduces the molds and program protocols to copy how the Abrams was made, new Abramses won't be rolling out of the 'Restored Vehicles Section' of IVI product hangars.
It's a good thing therefore that recent expeditions to Yellow Zone Europe have uncovered many military bases that contain many derelict pre-tibwar war machines. In mainland Europe, the Leclerc, Leopard 2, and M2 Bradley were recovered along with, many more. Another MBT found was the good old Challenger 2. The Challenger 2 was among the first MBTs to be outfitted with (then) advanced ceramic 'Chobham' armor. In terms of combat performance, The M1A2 Abrams often outperformed the Challenger 2 but if it still does today after the Challenger 2 has seen much upgrades remains to be seen.
Credits:
Dragon™ for the 1:72 Challenger 2 (Iraq 2003) model I based this voxel model from.
The company who created this war machine (I forgot which one it was)
Good one IVI, but the Challenger 2 outperforms M1A2 Abrams tank just so you know The turret also is different for the Challenger 2 as well. _________________ My name is Shadow... I am Lord of the Shadows! NOD rules!!!!
My Challenger 2's turret is not an Abrams turret.. I modelled it off my 1:72 Challenger 2. look at the pic below and you'll see that the M1A2 is waaaay different from the Challenger 2
And you're right about the Challenger 2 outperforming the M1A2 Abrams in just about everything.... except combat survivability.
as I know it, no M1A2 Abrams has been destroyed by another tank in tank-to-tank combat. there was a time when an Apache mistook an M1A2 Abrams for an enemy tank and unleashed a barrage of Hellfire missiles and still failed to destroy it (the Abrams was definitely damaged and immobilized but the crew was safe and the weapon systems were still go)
Challenger 2s on the other hand have been killed by other tanks... The most recent example I know of was in Iraq where a Challenger 2 was destroyed by in a blue-to-blue incident. one of the Queen's Royal Lancers shot another with its 120mm L30A1 smoothbore cannon and scrapped it too.
Great work on this. Im converting it to ra2 to use for my modernwarfare mod btw you should release that warrior ifv apc in the lower right corner _________________ "Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live." QUICK_EDIT
@ Desu, I don't have a model of an M4 Sherman at the moment be it a micro-machines model or a kit-model. But I'll try to make one out of pictures
@ Universal, Don't forget to credit me for my model Uni.
and it's an M2 ODS Bradley that's on the lower right... But sure, I'll make a British Warrior IFV too.
My Challenger 2's turret is not an Abrams turret.. I modelled it off my 1:72 Challenger 2. look at the pic below and you'll see that the M1A2 is waaaay different from the Challenger 2
And you're right about the Challenger 2 outperforming the M1A2 Abrams in just about everything.... except combat survivability.
as I know it, no M1A2 Abrams has been destroyed by another tank in tank-to-tank combat. there was a time when an Apache mistook an M1A2 Abrams for an enemy tank and unleashed a barrage of Hellfire missiles and still failed to destroy it (the Abrams was definitely damaged and immobilized but the crew was safe and the weapon systems were still go)
Challenger 2s on the other hand have been killed by other tanks... The most recent example I know of was in Iraq where a Challenger 2 was destroyed by in a blue-to-blue incident. one of the Queen's Royal Lancers shot another with its 120mm L30A1 smoothbore cannon and scrapped it too.
IVI, the only thing that took out a Challenger 2 is a Challenger 2, that was the blue on blue. In one encounter a Challenger 2 took hits from multiple Rocket propelled grenades and one MILAN anti-tank missile and was under heavy fire for a few hours from small arms fire. The crew survived and the tank was able to pull back for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system.
The tank's availability was excellent and the problems that were suffered during the large Saif Sareea II exercise of eighteen months earlier were solved by the issuing of Urgent Operational Requirements for equipment such as sand filters.
Now here is M1A2 abrams taken out by blue on blue as well, by another M1A2 tank four Abrams were disabled in a suspected friendly fire incident by Hellfire missiles. And some crew members werre missing in action. Here is another abrams destroyed by a roadside bomb in 2004 And During the major combat operations in Iraq, Abrams crew members were lost when one tank of the US Army's 3rd Infantry Division, and US Marine Corps troops, drove onto a bridge. The bridge failed, dropping the tank into the Euphrates River, where four Marines drowned. On November 27, 2004 an Abrams tank was badly damaged and its driver killed from shrapnel wounds when an extremely powerful improvised explosive device (IED) consisting of three M109A6 155 mm shells with a total explosive weight of 34.5 kg detonated next to the tank. The other three crew members were able to escape.
Also I never said the turret was M1A2 abrams I said it was wrong, look here: Last edited by ShadowLord on Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:07 am; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
Tony, I don't want to start a whats better then this or that tank, I am just saying that Abrams tanks have been destroyed too. And It clearly shows that the only tank that can destroy a Challenger 2 is another CHallenger 2. Its not all about the tank, except those that crew the tank. _________________ My name is Shadow... I am Lord of the Shadows! NOD rules!!!!
Also I never said the turret was M1A2 abrams I said it was wrong, look here:
I based the turret off my Iraq 2003 Challenger II model and the way I looked at it from angles it's the most accurate I could do.
If you want you can just download my voxel and point out the areas you think might be missing.
I didn't know about the 3-howitzer shell case.. It's still not tank-to-tank for me though.. besides, falling off a bridge isn't tank-t0-tank combat either. If you're talking about road bombs then that's understandable because the thinnest sectors of tank armor are beneath and near the turret top for most tanks..
Besides, just imagine an AH-64 Specialized Anti-Tank Air Cavalry using specialized Anti-Tank Hellfire missiles that would kill most tanks outright instantly failing to properly kill an M1A2 Abrams... that impressed me the most. RPGs on the other hand while adequate Anti-Tank equipment, are not 'specialized' per se.
I'll still put my money on an Abrams any day though... it's design and appearance still wins it out for me. Last edited by IVI on Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:30 am; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
Yeah, I quite like it actually! Hehe, all it comes down to at the end of the day is that you either like it or you don't! _________________ My name is Shadow... I am Lord of the Shadows! NOD rules!!!!
Sorry for the 'bump', but some technical discussion has bugged me (or lack of).
The 3 MBT's referenced here are as followed:
M1A2 SEP Abrams:
Armour - Chobham
Main Gun - 120mm M256 Smoothbore Cannon
Max Speed - 42 mph
Leopard 2 A6:
Armour - Chobham
Main Gun - 120 mm Rheinmetall L55 smoothbore
Max Speed - 72 km/h
Challenger 2:
Armour - Chobham second-generation
Main Gun - Royal Ordnance 120mm L30 gun
Max Speed -59 km/h
The Abrams is inferior to the Challenger 2 in strength, with speed Abrams is faster and being a smoothbore the cannon (Challenger 2's is rifle barrel) is slightly more powerful (however its a minor improvement).
Alot of abrams have been lost in Iraq, many to RPG's, yes little rocket launchers a single man holds . The enemy usually shoots the Abrams from the top or the side/rear. A list of lost Abrams can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams
Not a single Challenger 2 has been lost in Iraq due to enemy fire. Leopard 2's are currently not battle tested, but by the stats they are approx equal to the Abrams, perhaps alittle more powerful and minorly stronger (they have extra armour on the turret). But they are alittle slower. QUICK_EDIT
i don't know the conversion values but arcording to my calculator 1 mph = 1.609344 kph so I suppose I know now for the next 30 seconds untill i forget again...
When I look at a Chally I think it looks taller and thinner than an Abrams.
In reality it's only slightly taller (2.5m to the Abrams' 2.44m) and slightly thinner (3.5m to the Abrams' 3.66m - though the Challenger 2 is 4.2m with the extra armour). It's a fair bit shorter from front to back though (8.3m to the Abrams' 9.76m).
I think you should exaggerate these differences slightly because vehicles are quite small in C&C games, and it will help differentiate between the two units ingame.
And if people really insist on comparing Abrams and Challenger 2 stats (which are completely irrelevant to a voxel) look on wikipedia:
Abrams - Challenger 2
Edit: I think you've got the body about right, the turret just needs to be taller. _________________ Last edited by Daz on Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:37 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
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IVI Restored/Modified Challenger 2 [TS]
The turret also is different for the Challenger 2 as well.
four Abrams were disabled in a suspected friendly fire incident by Hellfire missiles. And some crew members werre missing in action. Here is another abrams destroyed by a roadside bomb in 2004 
And During the major combat operations in Iraq, Abrams crew members were lost when one tank of the US Army's 3rd Infantry Division, and US Marine Corps troops, drove onto a bridge. The bridge failed, dropping the tank into the Euphrates River, where four Marines drowned. On November 27, 2004 an Abrams tank was badly damaged and its driver killed from shrapnel wounds when an extremely powerful improvised explosive device (IED) consisting of three M109A6 155 mm shells with a total explosive weight of 34.5 kg detonated next to the tank. The other three crew members were able to escape.
. The enemy usually shoots the Abrams from the top or the side/rear. A list of lost Abrams can be found here:
, if someone does they can just use a calculator to convert it 
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