Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:08 am Post subject:
Command & Conquer 3: Tiberian Twilight
Subject description: One of the 1st CnC3 mods :) (Warning, 'banner' is 800x300)
G'day,
I'm starting a mod for Command & Conquer 3 called Command & Conquer 3: Tiberian Twilight. The idea behind this is to add in the units CnC3 is missing (more mech's, hover units, disruptors, more stealth units etc) and make it into the CnC3 that most Command & Conquer Fans expected .
We will be using some of the units EA has in the game (eg: GDI Orca), however they will likly have reassigned roles (in The orcas case it will be the Orca Gunship, fighting alongside the Orca Fighter and bomber). In other cases it will be units made from Westwoods CnC3 concepts and in a few cases we will have some units we created from scratch (rare tho to try and keep it as true CnC as possible).
Depending on whats possible with CnC3, if the game allows more campaigns to be added we may even add our own campaign, however if we make one it will work with EA's one, to suppliment it, not replace it.
Anyone interested in the idea, feel free to PM me, E-mail me or add me on MSN.
P.S. I hope the banner isnt too big, i added a warning to the topic for 56kers and people with small resolitions. If there is a problem just post it in the topic Banshee and ill replace it
P.P.S. We also need a host for the mod, would PPM host the mod? . If not, could someone recommend a host for us please. Thanks. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject:
We can host mods that have straight goals and interesting progress. In short, if public response here is positive, you can easily get hosted with us . QUICK_EDIT
For gods sake, It's not even released and already people want to mod it... just let it be for a while.
If EA used the Technology that is meant to be in CnC3 we wouldnt need to mod it, GDI are missing their Mechs, hover units etc.
This isnt a mod to stuff up the CnC3 game, just to upgrade it with the CnC3 units from Westwoods TT concepts. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject:
We dont even know hardly any TT units, 5-6 at the most,and most of the conceptual art units were for CABAL. Its like trying to make a Renegade 2-based TC...pointless. _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
Actually, I think it's a good idea - making the next C&C game a C&C, not C+C. And since it's a mod, all you have to do is keep things logical and true to the WW spirit. Good luck. QUICK_EDIT
Where on Earth do you see the name Gosho? I'm El D34dlyto now. Get with the times.
And no, I'm not playing a different game then you - we aren't playing anything C+C3 for now (well, except for Banshee and some other people). QUICK_EDIT
Fine El D34dlyto. I was talking about the other CnC's, they are very illogical. CnC3 is very logical, though noncontinuous it's more logical than previous CnC's. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject:
Westwood Spirit? Lol is that photoshopping half the screenshots or totally downgrading a game before releasing it like Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2? _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
@ Desu - No, creating a game, which will be played and enjoyed a decade later is the Westwood spirit. I was never around when the photoshoped Pre-release screenshots came out, so they don't really mean much to me. And you must admit that, even with all their flaws, TS and RA2 are nice games. QUICK_EDIT
Fine El D34dlyto. I was talking about the other CnC's, they are very illogical. CnC3 is very logical, though noncontinuous it's more logical than previous CnC's.
Well logical comes down to each persons point of view. Put it this way, we'll keep it 'logical' in the CnC universe, thats what we all fell in love with anyway
Cadre wrote:
Good idea Rico. I wish you all the luck in the world, you'll need it...
Being fair in the RA and TD times ( possibly TS ) there wern't super fancy things available for them to use, like what you see in CnC 3 and games such as Company Of Heroes, its of course logical that a rocket soldier would completely take out an enemy infantry platoon, but this would make rifle infantry obsolete immedeatly, tanks would be of course much more effective than you see in CnC games, but it all has to be balanced in a way that all the units have defined purposes within thier primary roles. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Of course TW still isnt reliased but you may start braingstorming right now, start modeling low-poly units structures.. ^^ Well idea is quite interesting _________________ Gangster is a Project Perfect Wuj (c)Aro QUICK_EDIT
exactly (although TW is 2 months alway), we can collect any avaliable info on WW's TT, brainstorm ideas and prepare for when the game is released so that we can hit the production que as soon as possible
I need people that can help with creating the units (modeling/texturing) since im a coder. Anyone that can help plz PM me or email me, thanks QUICK_EDIT
Go to the Petroglyph Forums, find Ask Petroglyph. You'll find very interesting posts there, especially from Adam Isgreen.
Such as: What if Tesla really did contact the aliens? What did they do in response?, or that story is RA-TD-TS-Tiberian _Incursion_- RA2 (Only one who could tell who Yuri is is Kane), etc, etc, etc... A real lot of stuff, if you dig trough the threads. _________________ Time will tell...
Sooner or later...
Time will tell... QUICK_EDIT
Go to the Petroglyph Forums, find Ask Petroglyph. You'll find very interesting posts there, especially from Adam Isgreen.
Such as: What if Tesla really did contact the aliens? What did they do in response?, or that story is RA-TD-TS-Tiberian _Incursion_- RA2 (Only one who could tell who Yuri is is Kane), etc, etc, etc... A real lot of stuff, if you dig trough the threads.
That's still in TW. I figured it out 2 weeks ago and posted it on the official EA boards. I'm guessing that's how the Aliens got all this global electricity transmission via spaceships, the Storm Column (which is basically, a tesla coil) and the Ion Storm. I have reasons to believe that the Scrin and Tesla are linked somehow. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:35 am Post subject:
[quote="Alex06"]
Kiith-Sa wrote:
I have reasons to believe that the Scrin and Tesla are linked somehow.
Bittah Commander had some intersting ideas on that subjest in This tipoc , in tiberiumweb.
Basically what B C cam up with was this: rumors said that Tesla attempted to contact aliens with his technology. In the tiberian universe, those aliens were the scrin and so they responded by sending tiberium to the earth and stuff.
It might make a little sense to explain why the aliens might have teasla coils.
But I bet EA will mess up the part with Yuri explanation, which WAS supposed to be there... _________________ Time will tell...
Sooner or later...
Time will tell... QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:20 pm Post subject:
Good Greif. Stop trying to connect these storylines! This is like trying to fit the triangle block into the square. Its a waste of Time...Honestly people... Lets concentrate on other things like wether its Cockmongler or Grinman, FFS. _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
They were connected by the old C&C team. As I say, look on the Petroglyph forums. _________________ Time will tell...
Sooner or later...
Time will tell... QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject:
Technically, you cant. The countries all use post World War II borders/Post Cold War RA uses post WWII, too. States like Albania, Macedonia, Czech Republic, and Slovakia exist. The German-Pole border are also postwar, so technically RA is of a PIME TARADOX IN ITSELF OH SHI- _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
Yeah, so Westwood didn't have it entirely perfect, no suprise really, look hard enough you'd probably find a flaw with anything.
Still, they were all originally supposed to be connected by Westwood's original ideas. Einstein wasn't the only one who could screw over the time line. _________________ If there is a problem on the forums, PM me. QUICK_EDIT
Hell, is it so hard to look at that forums?!
As I said, as they said, RA2 is incompatible at _first_!
RA->TD->TS->C&C3
Kane sends Yuri to past or something like that, as was mentioned by Adam Isgreen
->RA2->C&C4(?)
Giving no space to RA3.
TD was not going to happen in RA2's modified timeline.
Here is a straight link and damn register and read it yourselves (!)
http://www.petroglyphgames.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1455&st=0
Please don't take this as advertising the forums.
Here you have some qoutes of the most important stuff:
Adam Isgreen (Ishmael)
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DISCLAIMER: This is ALL SPECULATIVE. Don't go asking EA about this, as it was never written down and they wouldn't know about it. This was a plan that some of us that influenced the fiction had discussed.
In dealing with C&C timeline, you have one problem -- the timeline split...
Now as to just WHAT was going to happen in C&C3 to split the timeline... well that's all just fantasy speculation now. The RA2 disconnect was completely explained by the event as well, and it all ties back into the origin of the entire C&C universe and RA's inciting incident.
So that's the timeline. RA2 didn't happen initially, so the dates would be off. Just like Einstein removed Hitler, someone changed the past yet again, resulting in the RA2 universe / split before TS could happen in the first place.
So there you go.
Adam Isgreen:
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WWS developed Renegade.
If you'll remember in Renegade, Mobius comments on the new strain of "blue" tiberium that he's studying...
Also, the Nod computer in the end that's malfunctioning in the temple has a very interesting acronym... hmm...
Renegade was set between C&C TD and C&C TS.
DISCLAIMER: Again, this stuff is all based on things that were never written down or were edited out of drafts, so don't go asking EA about them, they won't know about it.
RA was the start of the universe. Einstein removing Hitler is what shifted the "real" universe to the C&C one. In the original, original drafts of the RA story, Tesla and Einstein were the dueling scientists behind each side's new tech. Although the tesla tech stayed for the Soviets, Tesla didn't.
However, if you read about Tesla (the real tesla), you'll find that he claimed to have contacted aliens through his tech... hmm... now what if he really DID contact aliens... what aliens did he contact? What did the aliens do in response?
...are you starting to see where this is leading?
_________________ Time will tell...
Sooner or later...
Time will tell... QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject:
I said that Red Alert itself is impossible because Westwood used wrong maps. The maps in TD are post 1945.
Westwood can not explain how an M1 Abrams, Ah-64 apaches, MiL Mi-24 Hinds, and MiG-29 fulcrums, built in the 50s...a Fourty year jump to Tiberian Dawn...are STILL in use, and STILL main vehicles. Nevermind the jump from Prop. planes to Jet-propulsed aircraft, ICBMs, and twin rotor'd Helicopters, AFTER the war, apparently technology ceases entirely untill TD comes around. HOW do you explain it? its absurd! _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
Whole C&C is impossible, if you look on it that way. Abrams etc. were just Westwood's fast guesses for something better sounding than Medium Tank ,Light Tank etc. I'm just stating some westwood fiction facts- not real world facts, that are important for Tiberian Twilight/Incursion/whatever name will this mod have.
If you hate the fact of inconsistency of C&C with real world, don't play it.
I'm talking about why C&C (RA2) is not inconsistent with C&C (RA,TD,TS,TT), and that it probably will be inconsistent with C&C (TW). _________________ Time will tell...
Sooner or later...
Time will tell... QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject:
No, its not Westwood's 'quick fixes'. Westwood was lazy, plain and simple. Westwood could not be bothered to crack open a book about Military vehicles and see WHAT these tanks were, amazing that the 3TNK is an actual tank. How does Westwood go from Thirty five years after WWI, a war of rhomboid tanks, artillery guns strapped onto railway cars, make it through the LARGEST ECONOMIC DEPRESSION IN HISTORY, to...
Many of which were pioneered by JURMAHN engineering during a WAR. War oils the wheels of technology and makes them move. Now if we stop pulling ideas out of our asses and isolate RA in general, and look at TD, then TS...it makes sense, it works damn well, even the mechs(which i hate to no end.). The modern world shifting into an apocalyptic hell hole.
Better question:
HOW does RA go to TD if you follow the Soviet campaign? Europe is under Soviet oppression untill the early 1990s? ALL OF EUROPE? Why would an aggressive Soviet nation suddenly Stop with Europe? why not whip America's ass while we're at it? Why not free the rest of the Proletairit in the world? Besides, if Europe is suppressed untill the 1990s, HOW DOES THE U.N. FORM!? Does the U.N. just sprout out of somebody's ass? There is nobody to JOIN the U.N. aside from America and some Asian countries if you go from Soviet to TD. Did Kane come back and found the U.N. the day after the Soviet Union fell? Please. _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
90% of CnC isn't possible. Can we possibly stop stating what we already know? Or we gonna keep doing such for as long as we can? _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:55 pm Post subject:
Keep going as long as possible to explain how TD and RA can not be linked! _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
No, I'm sorry, but it really isn't. Researches on the timeline and the technology used seems impractical, redundant, and wouldn't be practiced by any nation's military. The technology would be far into the pit of obsoleteness. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:33 am Post subject:
I would disregard the EA C&Cs of having any real connections with westwood's. Eveything EA did with the storylines of the C&C games just $%^& up any chance of a connection between them _________________ The Fall of Hammerfest - Epic Tiberian chain story
Tiberian Odyssey mapping department. Discord The Team Black Index QUICK_EDIT
@Carno:
TD doesn't follow the RA Soviet ending; TD follows the RA Allied ending and this has been confirmed quite a few times by Westwood- and EX-Westwood staff.
It's true a lot of technology of technology from RA remained the same in TD (the tanks mainly), but a lot of technology changed as well. GDI and Nod could have just invested in different research... Like aircraft, the Ion Cannon, Nod improved the nuke, Nod researched in Stealth technology. Possibly the tanks that remained the same in TD really aren't the same but have improved armor and do more damage (which would explain why the tanks in TD are slower than the ones in RA); or just make up any other excuse.
This still makes a lot more sense than the technology in Tiberium Wars not just staying the same, but even going backwards.
Anyway, I think it's nice you're making this mod, Rico; I'm certainly looking forward to it. There's only one issue though; the name.
When Westwood just made Tiberian Dawn, there intention was to make a trilogy:
Tiberian Dawn, Tiberian Sun, Tiberian Twilight.
When Westwood released Red Alert they changed their mind however and their intentional timeline changed to this:
Red Alert, Tiberian Dawn, Tiberian Sun, Tiberian Incursion and Tiberian Incursion would possibly get a couple sequels as well.
So I think it'd be better if you'd call this mod Tiberian Incursion instead.
By the way, if you need idea's for the mod or anything, I've got plenty _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Yes ive been noticeing that TT was renamed Tiberian Incursion, i was thinking of using it, however TT fits the C&C names better, Dawn -> Sun -> Twilight (different times of the day, from start to evening, maybe C&C4 is Tiberian Night meaning the end)
I'll think it over.
Btw: I'm happy for any help you can give, if you have MSN feel free to add me:
Richard_Chantler@hotmail.com QUICK_EDIT
Hi! i plan to Modding C&c3 Too, i plan to bring Some unit i hope i'll applier in C&c3 but EA dont do it as.
- Titan Mech
- Disruptor Tank
- MLRS
- Tick Tank
- Orca Bomber
And Cabal
personaly i like the most of EA unit list on C&c3 but i still want they to bring back my favor too.
if you interesting you can disscus with me about it may be we can merge an idea and mod it.
i can modeling and texturing but my texturing skill not so much good i'll glad if some one can help me with normal mapping i'm sure the game using it.
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first i plan to make this for C&c General [ROS2 Project] but maybe C&c3 look more interesting for Now.
I'm at school right now, but I'll add you when I get home, Rico.
You might be right about the Tiberian Twilight matching Dawn and Sun better than Incursion, though I think Twilight, but I think it became a bit overly used (we'll probably find at least 2 other mods called Tiberian Twilight for C&C3 soon).
At the C&C3 forums it was discussed what would be a better name for Tiberian Wars and they came up with Tiberian Eclipse. That one sounds good to me, so how about using that name for your mod? _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject:
I'd reply to Bittah's counterpost, but I am too lazy/busy, but anyways, did you happen to find anything out about Renegade 2, Bittah? _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
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