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Secret spoiled: Multiples MCVs for your TS mod
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Banshee
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:31 am    Post subject:  Secret spoiled: Multiples MCVs for your TS mod
Subject description: A bit messy, but it works...
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Have you ever visited the sections related to Final Dawn (The mod that won't be released any time soon)? If you visited the Codes & Research one, you've probably read this:


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"The MCV Bug For New Sides: New sides used to start with 2 or more MCVs or, in some cases, even without a single MCV. Most of the TS modders still hasnt found how to deal with it yet, however the Research Group uncovered that in january 2002, thanks to the initial idea from Greyfox and the great implementation from Banshee. Reports said that the first people to find it out were some ex-PPM members in june 2001, however their attempts had some failures in lower starting units. Banshee's method works perfectly when Unit Count is higher than 1. However, the current solution is creates minor other bugs, but they does not degrade the gameplay."
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We've been keeping how to do this one secretly since 2002.. it is more than 5 years, however, yesterday I've decided to spoil the trick for all Tiberian Sun modders out there.



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"I've found a turn around and, as I said above, it's too messy. But you guys have a point... there is no need to hide it anymore. As Creagor said above, I've played with the prices from starting units. The starting MCV gets like $6000 and all other starting units get $0. That way, the MCV will always start with only one. All buildable units must not start in multiplayer. And the BaseUnit= must not be the MCV. Also, to force AI to deploy its MCV, give it a weapon with range 255 that forces it to deploy to fire.

This way each side has a different MCV, you don't need to hack the .dll file to cut the bases option, but you must start with more than one unit. If your starting unit dies and you still have MCVs, you'll die Laughing. The starting units get promoted to elite even if they kill a stupíd light infantry and there are more bugs. Honestly, I prefer if VK or someone else could make an option to add a new MCV than having to use this messy solution to have multiples MCVs working."

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It was spoiled in this topic. Anyway, let's hope that CnCVK do something better for Extended Tiberian Sun and make the method above obsolette. I'm also evaluating the possibility of moving Final Dawn to the C&C3 engine once the mod SDK released to escape from this kind of limitation.

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Clazzy
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I tried figuring out how to do this, I always assumed it was something to do with map editing rather than rules editing, but it's a simpler, more ingenious idea than I expected.

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The starting units get promoted to elite even if they kill a stupíd light infantry and there are more bugs.

That could just be solved with Trainable=no

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Crimsonum
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It is funny how things are bound to the cost of a unit...how fast they turn into veteran, do they appear in the start of a multiplay game, etc.

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OmegaBolt
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well presumably higher costing units are better.

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m666
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You know what? Let's NOT rely on CnCVK. Instead of relying on some high-and-mighty doing whatever he wants coder, let's just wait for TS Open. It might take a bit longer, but honestly, it's worth it.

Oh, and it is SERIOUSLY about time you told us that.

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gufu
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

So what you say here - all starting unis should be cloned?

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Banshee
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

@gufu: yes.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Modder666 wrote:
let's just wait for TS Open. It might take a bit longer, but honestly, it's worth it.


What is this TS Open you speak of?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Is there an MCV=yes tag or something?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Modder666 wrote:
Oh, and it is SERIOUSLY about time you told us that.

i never really got why he would hide it. now, ive been here for just over a jear, but still... this is a community right? arent we supposed to share what we find? no offence (well, maybe a little) but i think its cocky to go hide stuff from fellow modders.
Would you have liked it if someone else refused to tell you, banshee?
like i said, i havent been around long enough to know what exactly happened, but hiding information to make your mod better than other mods isnt something to be proud of.
having said that, i also want to thank you for sharing it now. better late than never.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

TO, Mental Omega,TS Squared, and D-Day probably have tons of secrets they will withold untill release, so why not bash them as well? banshee wanted to have the first mod with this feature, and since FD is probably not likely any time toon, he released it.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

LoL look at what I did... LoL, Well like I said it has a possibility to work but its to buggy... I would much rather have it hacked to work right.

And I thought TS open was pretty much dead or on hold... I haven't looked at it in a wail.

MO and d-day... Laughing No offence to speedy or migy but I highly doubt it.

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LCr0wd
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Secret spoiled: Multiples MCVs for your TS mod Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Banshee wrote:
Reports said that the first people to find it out were some ex-PPM members in june 2001, however their attempts had some failures in lower starting units.

Well not everything was guaranteed to work, Karreman and myself gave it our best shot. Rolling Eyes

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