Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:04 pm Post subject:
Reply to: EA C&C Inconsistencies.
Subject description: Because of the locked topic...
To mods: I'm sorry if I do something wrong with this, but I didn't want to leave Rico's reply have inconsistencies itself. Feel free to lock this if you want...
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Carnotaurus wrote:
We$twood $tudios' Red Alert, is where I will start. Now I love RA, dont get me wrong, but...We$twood is stupid....lets start with these inconsistencies, between the RA1 and RA2 unvierse, under We$twood(PRAISE WE$TWOOD!!1).
Stop acting stupid, either make a logical argument or bugga off.
According to Adam Isgreen, an ex-Westwood developer, now working in Petroglyph, stated that RA2 was going to be another universe without Tiberian Dawn/First Tiberian War occuring.
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Carnotaurus wrote:
-The Soviet 'Union'. Ukraine and Russia, along with a few other states in Eastern Europe and Asia were united by the 1930s under the banner of the Soviet Union, the U.S.S.R.(aka the evil baby-eating, godless, communist pigs.) etc..... (read post for full quote)
Who was Westwood, a gaming company or a historical/military archive?
A gaming company, and 1 that was runnin with nowhere near the reasources EA has, so having a few technical mistakes (which btw i didnt notice until you mentioned it) is understandable.
The nations were, because of multiplay, divided into their own. It is odd to see Russia in both RA and RA2, though.
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Carnotaurus wrote:
However, without WWII..Germany, and every other country, HAS WWII borders! This continues onto RA2, TD, and TS.
TD/TS can get away with this somewhat, RA1 was WW2 but with a different enemy (in essence). Besides, boarders didnt change much after WW2, it was WW1 that really redrew the boarders. Also, how many people have the maps from before WW2? Why would a gaming company care about an accuracy that 99% of people wouldnt notice or worry about?
Carno is right, I know plenty of sites that still have the post-WWII maps. It was a mistake of Westwood, but it wasn't noticeable. The Europe map in RA was changed into more angular, and it was pretty small, so you couldn't notice these mistakes in the first place.
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Carnotaurus wrote:
Its interesting to note that the UN was founded in the later years of that wonderful World War II! The same World War II that does NOT take place in the Red Alert timeline. The UN was founded after the Leauge of Nations failed, and was meant to serve the role of an alternative to using the battlefield for settling problems. Without WWII, the Leauge of Nations does not collapse(though it is still mindnumbingly weak without the support of the United States.), hence, there would be no need for a UN to found. We see the UN existing in Tiberium, obviously. Westwood cleared up this little 'flaw' in RA2, no mention of the UN.
That isnt a flaw, the UN was born from the success of the allies in RA1, the allies were essentially the league of nations, same organisation, different name. Also RA2 deviates from TD etc, so its not applicable here.
UN may or may not be founded afterall. We can't know it for sure...
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-Cyborgs.(Volkov and Chitzkoi)
These were extra mission for having fun playing, big deal if they arnt used afterwards (only in 2 missions anyway)
According to canon, Volkov and Chitzkoi were destroyed in the Soviet hands because they became to malfunction. To be exact, only Volkov is mentioned. I wonder what happened to Chitzkoi...
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-Submarines that fire nuclear missiles(Counterstrike Missions)
WRONG, they fired tommahawk style missiles, just normal explosive warheads. Why would GDI worry about this?
WRONG, there was a mission with Nuclear Submarines in Counterstrike.
Though, I can't see why argue about this. Nuclear weapons exist in TD, no?
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-Tesla Tanks/Coils/Troopers that are combat able.(CS/AM Missions)
Once again, probably lost after the war, and really the technology is dangerous and would have been banned by the UN (like napalm is today)
Well of course it's dangerous. What are bullets then, flying mini-pillows?
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-Base Cloaking(Gap Generators)
True, but in a FMV in RA1 u see a battleship have this done to it and some soldiers were lost. In a major war this is acceptable, afterwards like the chronosphere (of which this technology is based off) it would have been canceled/banned.
No, the ship was Chronosifted, not under the "Gap" effect. Read about the Philadelphia experiment.
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-Drone-piloted trucks that carry Nuclear Warheads.(Demo Truck)
Who said they were drone piloted? Besides its not something GDI would use, Nukes are banned from being used so why would you see a GDI commander drive a nuke around in a truck? And nod wouldnt use it since they have the nuke missile.
I think it was the manual that stated that the trucks were drone-piloted.
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-Seismic Tanks.(MAD Tank)
From memory these damaged your tanks too. Not a very useful weapon.
Oh but yes it was. It isn't particularly clever to deploy it near your own troops, though.
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-The ability to erase people from time...!
That wasnt 'RA1' tech, Eignstine did that from the present universe, which created the C&C universe, thus the C&C universe never developed this technology.
If that was true, there would have been no Chronosphere.
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Carnotaurus wrote:
Wow. Isnt that fabulous? Shit, we can go back and see dinosaurs if we wanted to. Now, TD...Where does all this marvelous technology go? Why cant we just wipe Kane from time? Why does it take upto Tiberian Sun, to be able to cloak our bases? What happened to Soviet Super Soldier Volkov? Surely the Russians left behind that technology... Hey, why dont we make our tanks invincible and just destroy that Nod Temple?
Time shifting was never developed by the allies in RA1, as stated above it was done in our universe which created the C&C universe, so the tech was not avaliable to them. The russian tech was prob lost/destroyed in the war.
Again, if this was true, there would be no Chronosphere. Btw, read few quotes above about Volkov.
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject:
Just think. Somewhere in the former Soviet Union there is a cybernetic dog running around, peeing on lawns in the Post FS world.(if there are any lawns.) Also, why would Nod care wether the UN banned something or not? WWI's League of Nations banned Hitler from having an army and look at the fighting force the little Austrian built.
BTW, GDI does use Napalm. So much for the nice United Nations. _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
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