GUESS WHO'S COMIN' HOME!

Owen the Elf Jedi · Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:18 am Post subject:

Minor corrections:

First, Tyler, we have better guns.

Second, Clazzy, most of the US is not Christian. They claim to be, but aren't. There is a difference between claiming to be something and actually being it. I could say I'm an admin, but would that make me one? Also, some people think they are Christian merely because they go to Church.This logic does not work, as a Worldview Academy instructor showed me (BTW, not the worldview referenced to by someone else's link in another thread).

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I go to my garage every day, does that make me a car?

BTW, 5 confirmed kills? Wow. What branch are you in? Ever met Nicholas Rodgers, a Staff Sergeant in the USAF?

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Tyler Adams · Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:53 am Post subject:

Owen the Elf Jedi wrote:

Minor corrections:

First, Tyler, we have better guns.

Incorrect.

The AK/AK variants are proven to be much better than M16/AR15 variants. Or, in daTS's case.. an M4. (going by stock) One of my old friends ran over a M4, AK, and M16 with a tank/vehicle. AK fired like it was brand new, M16 fired badly. M4 just went "*Finger*" Jesus.. why does everyone think America produces/uses the best weapons in the world? Germany is leading in most light weapons.. MP5, G36.

Yes, the AK _does_ have a grenade launcher designed for it (GP25). So.. AK > M16. AK fires higher-caliber rounds, much more reliably. M16 is more accurate with less recoil, however, I believe. Rounds fired from a short-barrel M4 sometimes tumble on impact. (english: less damage)

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Well, it's great to see we've stayed on topic... Laughing

Oh ya? M16 is also equippible with a M203 grenade launcher, plus believe me, accuracy matters much more.
BTW, what does this have to do with DaTS' return? Rolling Eyes

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Oshog · Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject:

Elerium-155 wrote:

Tyler Adams wrote:

C, where he said it. In Anthony's return topic. You don't greet a returning soldier with "Hey. You're fighting for a bullshit cause," which is pretty much what Prime did.

Exactly.. or call him a serial killer like what Gosho did.

I'm actually with Prime on this. That war sucked in everyw ay possible (like most wars). I feel no need to say good things to a man, who although a great guy, killed six people, defending their way of life and being proud of that. In my book, that is serial killer.

Mortecha · Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject:

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I'm actually with Prime on this. That war sucked in everyw ay possible (like most wars). I feel no need to say good things to a man, who although a great guy, killed six people, defending their way of life and being proud of that. In my book, that is serial killer.

Dude you guys have lost the plot on this one. It doesnt matter if you have killed pple or not, if you have done it while fighting under the flag of your country, that definitly does not make you a serial killer. See thats the trouble with war, it all boils down to the philosophy if i didn't shoot him he well have shot me and my mates. You dont join the army to make friends with the enemy.......... which is why their called the enemy. pple get over this serial killer bullshit.

Tyler Adams · Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject:

Dregan wrote:

CCCP Gosho wrote:

I'm actually with Prime on this. That war sucked in everyw ay possible (like most wars). I feel no need to say good things to a man, who although a great guy, killed six people, defending their way of life and being proud of that. In my book, that is serial killer.

Dude you guys have lost the plot on this one. It doesnt matter if you have killed pple or not, if you have done it while fighting under the flag of your country, that definitly does not make you a serial killer. See thats the trouble with war, it all boils down to the philosophy if i didn't shoot him he well have shot me and my mates.

Exactly.

It's war. War is not the wonderful, bright, fun thing modern C&Cs, particularly Red Alert II and Generals, portray it as. I, myself, haven't experienced it, and I truly doubt I will. Soo.. I consider Anthony a better man.

It's the sort of "Him or me" situation, and most people would kill someone to save their lives, especially if it's been drilled into you, such as Anthony's case.

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Gosho, you're being deceived by the leftist propaganda of trend-based media:P (A note to Clazzy: I don't know any significant media propagating war in Iraq. If someone believes "kill them all", it's his/her own fault.)

I'm not saying there's any sense in the Iraq war. (I'm not saying Americans should return from there, either.)
The "defending their way of life" view is very simple. Today's Iraq is not one country or nation. It wasn't under Saddam, either. It was kept down below by the dictatorship, tyranny, murder regime, call it any way you want just don't tell me there's anything good about it.
The word "serial killer" is perfectly ok with me.
Someone who kills a few people is a "serial killer".
Gosho wanted to say "serial murderer".

I say "serial killer". (no objections that is, DaTS, it's nothing nice to do, but it is a definition of soldier. On the other hand, if you're actually proud of it...).
Yeah, under the flag of your country... But you would have no problem calling SS troops "serial murderers", right?
The whole "Country" or "Nation" idea is just plain nonsense.
We humans are just unlucky that we're so stupid that we've actually invented them.

Back to defending their way of life:
Sharia has many, many many contents that are a bit... extreme.
Note that mainstream islam (which lives according to Sharia) does discriminate not only women, also, it's pretty much a tradition (not much having to do with islam, much more with Sharia) that one side cany only criticize the other. According to that view, people of Israel, and, sometimes America, or lets say Denmark, or any other country containing any individual who even lift a finger to criticize islam (The current Pope scandal for instance: I'm not saying he's not a conservative idiot, and I don't remember what he said, but I do remember he cited it , not saying opinion of it , and the huge reaction caused by the propaganda of some religious leaders).

Everyone is questioning the Pope, no one is questioning the reaction?
Without constructive criticism, the conflict of civilizations will go on forever.
Actually, not forever. One side has to use nukes sooner or later.
Do you think Al-quaeda are doing anyhing to "defend ther way of life"?
Well, if that life is the holy war, maybe they are.
What about Iran's support of various militias in Iraq? Saudi support of various _other_ militias in Iraq?
Sectarian violence having nothing to do with the US?

Sorry for the long, offtopic post.
This thread probably should be closed before it becomes a flame war.

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Muldrake · Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject:

Yep.. I don't feel its right to just delete these posts, so I'll just have it as closing time at the bar.

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Clazzy · Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject:

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(A note to Clazzy: I don't know any significant media propagating war in Iraq. If someone believes "kill them all", it's his/her own fault.)

I didn't actually mention the media, your opinion can be swayed by something other than television, radio and the newspapers.

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Today's Iraq is not one country or nation. It wasn't under Saddam, either. It was kept down below by the dictatorship, tyranny, murder regime, call it any way you want just don't tell me there's anything good about it.

This is a bit of a silly argument. It is a nation state regardless of what government there is and their methods. Rome was controlled by an emperor once, many of whom used murder to get their way. It was still a nation. Legally, it is a country as well.

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The whole "Country" or "Nation" idea is just plain nonsense.
We humans are just unlucky that we're so stupid that we've actually invented them.

I would think the idea of a country has evolved out of tribal instincts. Even animals separate into groups (predators, at least) and they have specific territories that they control and will defend if other animals enter. We just expanded the idea.

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