Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject:
PPM is in need of a RA2 moderator...
Subject description: We need at least one.
PPM had a good one, but the arrogance seem on some of his posts, specially the recent ones is beyond our acceptable levels.
Anyway, we are looking for someone who:
-> Has a good RA2 modding knowledge.
-> Is active and is interesting on helping the forums to be a better place.
-> Has enough maturity to act nice with those who need help and to stop crap from being posted in the RA2 editing forums without being arrogant and not promoting any kind of n00b bashing.
-> Has a fluent english, making use of a proper punctuation and grammar.
If you are interested and you fill the prerequisites above, reply here. QUICK_EDIT
-> Has a good RA2 modding knowledge.
Been modding since 2003! Have done every single aspect of modding as well, Voxels, SHPs, coding, creation of sidebar art, some AI work, you name it. I also have unsurpassed knowledge of the prerelease game, if that means anything.
-> Is active and is interesting on helping the forums to be a better place.
I'm on here quite a lot during the day. I have a ton of spare time. I'm probably here more than 99% of the folks.
-> Has enough maturity to act nice with those who need help and to stop crap from being posted in the RA2 editing forums without being arrogant and not promoting any kind of n00b bashing.
I don't n00b-bash, ever. I used to, not anymore. I can be very mature when necessary, and arrogant only when it is deserved for equal arrogance.
-> Has a fluent english, making use of a proper punctuation and grammar.
I'm a complete nazi with grammar, you won't find anyone with more attention to such detail.
I'd really love a chance to help PPM out for all the good will it has shown me! _________________
[quote="Bobingabout"]I've got more naruto porn than furry porn[/quote] QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:01 am Post subject:
He is offering to be a RA2 moderator. You don't need to insult him for that, because you'd be acting just as the kind of n00b that I don't want in this forum. I'll see who is interested here and I'll pick the one I think is the best for the job. QUICK_EDIT
I have a wide range of knowledge, Tiberian Sun, Red Alert, and, oddly, Half-Life.
-> Is active and is interesting on helping the forums to be a better place.
Extremely interested in helping the forum become a better place, and used to be EXTREMELY active.
-> Has enough maturity to act nice with those who need help and to stop crap from being posted in the RA2 editing forums without being arrogant and not promoting any kind of n00b bashing.
I consider myself mature enough to help people who're clueless, within reason.
-> Has a fluent english, making use of a proper punctuation and grammar.
While I do agree that D's quote was a little harsh as a response to a moronic one-liner, it's sad that, once more, the n00bs prevail at PPM. _________________ #renproj:renegadeprojects.com via Matrix - direct link QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Location: DAS BOOT IM DER OSTSEE
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:14 am Post subject:
I'll apply.
1:RA2 got me started.
2:Why not? the place could use some improvement
3:No and No.
4:Yes. Definately. _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Location: Teamblackistan Posts: Over 9000
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:17 am Post subject:
I'll volunteer. I'm sure you've seen my conduct, and my moderating ability on tiberiumweb..
Though I'd rather be moderator for TS, I wouldn't have a problem with RA2 _________________ The Fall of Hammerfest - Epic Tiberian chain story
Tiberian Odyssey mapping department. Discord The Team Black Index Last edited by Team Black on Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:20 am; edited 2 times in total QUICK_EDIT
1: Same as Carno. :S
2: I have a five point plan to improve upon the place.
3: Sure, I'm mature about moderating, I mean, come on. I'd rather see the flamers and such get a nice fat warning on their plate then doing something to poor innocent ones.
4: Of course. Should be well know that I have fluent English by now. _________________ ... QUICK_EDIT
2) I'll put as much effort as necessary, if not more, into
improving the forums; I don't want PPM to decay.
3) No n00b-bashing here. If someone is incomprehensible, then there's no reason to assault them.
4) English is my second language, but it doesn't really make a difference, seeing as I adopted it when I was like five years old. I am a bit of a grammar Nazi, but I don't claw apart other people's posts for mild grammatical, spelling, or punctuation errors. I will if you want me to, though. _________________
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:46 am Post subject:
Re: PPM is in need of a RA2 moderator...
I am also feeling lucky!
1) I modded RA2 for a few years, and it was during that time that I learnt everything about modding. There are a few things that I don't quite fully understand, but I know enough to make modifications when and where I need them.
2) Although I have had a relatively short time here at PPM, I have been on Revora for a decent time now, and I know how awful it is to see the quality of forums slowly degrading.
3) I'll be completely honest with this one, I have lost my temper on more than one occasion, specifically this thread. I'm not usually an aggressive person, but sometimes you have a bad day, and things just slip from your control. I'll try hard not to have a repeat of that incident.
4) I live in Australia, and my first language (and language of choice) is English. I like to keep my posts short and to the point, although every now and then I will sometimes over-elaborate just for the sake of it. _________________
I can assure you that I know how to mod RA2 just as well as the next person. I may have only been a member of the forums for a short while, but I had been modding for a while before that. _________________
I disagree with removing Dcoder from the moderating position. _________________ Micro TS
Portable, no campaign, movies or music, just the engine and needed resources for skirmish and lan. QUICK_EDIT
I disagree with removing Dcoder from the moderating position.
This doesn't look too retarded, I hope?
We should not forget DCoder is one of the Ra2 experts. He usually acts a bit hostile towards questions that do not make sense/are extremely unclear. Removing him means we'll continue to be bombed by posts written by nuts who are content with typing down a "sentence" lacking any forms of grammar/punctuation and have no intention of elaborating on their biiiig problem.
However, that does not mean we shouldn't think about getting another skilled moderator over the Ra2 forums, not sure whether DCoder is that active here. QUICK_EDIT
I think he doesn't abuse of his position as a moderator. I absolutely disagree with his n00b bashing but I think he should stay mod.
By the way, one more moderator won't be a luxe and maybe it could somehow temperate DC's reactions QUICK_EDIT
Oh hell, why not? Banshee, you should know what I can do by now.
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-> Has a good RA2 modding knowledge.
Oh hell yeah.
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-> Is active and is interesting on helping the forums to be a better place.
I don't post much but I do lurk everyday.
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-> Has enough maturity to act nice with those who need help and to stop crap from being posted in the RA2 editing forums without being arrogant and not promoting any kind of n00b bashing.
No promises but I'll be nice. I am at other places believe it or not.
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-> Has a fluent english, making use of a proper punctuation and grammar.
I'm more a TS person, but if you need someone feel free to give me a PM, I'm sure I pass on all levels especially maturity.
Hope you choose someone good,
Rico QUICK_EDIT
I agree, DCoder is/was a good moderator overall. I won't deny the supreme arrogance of some of his posts. His suicide comment was among the harshest I've seen from him, but it doesn't happen that often. He's perfectly polite when whoever is asking a question writes clearly and gives enough information so that others can answer the question. He doesn't specifically bash n00bs; if I started making completely incomprehensible posts, he would diss me as badly as he would any n00b. _________________
Joined: 26 Nov 2002 Location: Algae Colony On Mars
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject:
I vote Carnivean (well, Suiseiseki now) or Icyson if they apply. DCoder had a unique response for a moderator, admittedly he took it too far but he was generally good at what he did. _________________
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This is sexier than what this forum was supposed to tolerate. - Banshee
I *would* apply, but Banshee would probably not give me the position in fear that I might do what DCoder did. Even though I might sometimes insult them, it's never direct or using flames.
The other problem is I don't want such a specific position. _________________
Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Location: Teamblackistan Posts: Over 9000
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject:
People like DCoder take a lot of quality away from PPM, regardless of modding ability.
Letting him simply get away with all of it is really a step further against the character of this site. We know other members were to post the same, they'd be punished.
Telling someone to commit suicide for an incoherent question shouldn't be tolerated in the least bit. Also, knowing that not everyone who visits this site speaks English, and that not everyone will know what questions to ask, or how to ask them.
Modding isn't hard.. Pretty much anyone has the knowledge to answer the average newbie.
What's more important though is HOW the question is answered. People can learn without being flamed, in fact they'll be more willing to learn if if the environment is open and accepting.
The position of moderator though requires patience and personal honor; someone to represent the site to newcomers, and clean up spam of existing members. _________________ The Fall of Hammerfest - Epic Tiberian chain story
Tiberian Odyssey mapping department. Discord The Team Black Index QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject:
Team Black wrote:
People like DCoder take a lot of quality away from PPM, regardless of modding ability.
Letting him simply get away with all of it is really a step further against the character of this site. We know other members were to post the same, they'd be punished.
Telling someone to commit suicide for an incoherent question shouldn't be tolerated in the least bit. Also, knowing that not everyone who visits this site speaks English, and that not everyone will know what questions to ask, or how to ask them.
Correct. I just didn't ban him because he was a moderator, but if he does that again or anyone else does, I will ban. Anyway, I'm watching this topic and so far looking carefuly at the candidates. Keep incomming. I'll hire someone in a matter of few days. QUICK_EDIT
I disagree with DCoder's removal and fully appreciate with his "arrogance".
I think he was doing one of the best moderating jobs (although not frequently enough),
This just shows the on coming degeneration of the PPM.
Also disagree with Prime even wanting to become a moderator, the same way I disagree with him becoming a world dictator.
If there's a replacement, I'd support someone similar enough to DCoder. _________________ Time will tell...
Sooner or later...
Time will tell... QUICK_EDIT
I disagree with DCoder's removal and fully appreciate with his "arrogance".
I think he was doing one of the best moderating jobs (although not frequently enough),
This just shows the on coming degeneration of the PPM.
Also disagree with Prime even wanting to become a moderator, the same way I disagree with him becoming a world dictator.
If there's a replacement, I'd support someone similar enough to DCoder.
How can you folks not get it...
Dcoder flamed the poor folks, there was absolutely no reason and for this community to grow we need to give folks a positive first impression! _________________
[quote="Bobingabout"]I've got more naruto porn than furry porn[/quote] QUICK_EDIT
I disagree with DCoder's removal and fully appreciate with his "arrogance".
I think he was doing one of the best moderating jobs (although not frequently enough),
This just shows the on coming degeneration of the PPM.
Also disagree with Prime even wanting to become a moderator, the same way I disagree with him becoming a world dictator.
If there's a replacement, I'd support someone similar enough to DCoder.
How can you folks not get it...
Dcoder flamed the poor folks, there was absolutely no reason and for this community to grow we need to give folks a positive first impression!
I find it hard to think anything but 'ironnnyyy' whenever this comes out of your mouth. QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Location: Tiberium Research Center N27
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject:
BrianPrime wrote:
Kiith-Sa wrote:
I disagree with DCoder's removal and fully appreciate with his "arrogance".
I think he was doing one of the best moderating jobs (although not frequently enough),
This just shows the on coming degeneration of the PPM.
Also disagree with Prime even wanting to become a moderator, the same way I disagree with him becoming a world dictator.
If there's a replacement, I'd support someone similar enough to DCoder.
How can you folks not get it...
Dcoder flamed the poor folks, there was absolutely no reason and for this community to grow we need to give folks a positive first impression!
And you will flme the new'bes who know nothing about the RA 2's beta _________________ DUNK! QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Location: Teamblackistan Posts: Over 9000
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:27 pm Post subject:
Well I think I couls agree with Clazzy - I think Icyson would be a pretty good choice.
Been a part of PPM for a long time, well respected and knows much more RA2 than most others on this site.
At worst, I could see him posting things like "Grammar for dummies" and "EPIC NO's", but nothing as unnecessarily offensive as the stuff DCoder's posted in the past. _________________ The Fall of Hammerfest - Epic Tiberian chain story
Tiberian Odyssey mapping department. Discord The Team Black Index QUICK_EDIT
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject:
Re: PPM is in need of a RA2 moderator...
Hmmm well I would apply but I have several reasons not to.
Anyways, I would personally think that DCoder should, at most, be put in a probational period and if he is good and calm, then he regains his moderating powers.
I think you should have the people that apply provide an example of them helping another person out and also an example of their ability to mod RA2 stuff. Maybe even add a question list that asks stuff about RA2 modding. Just some ideas that you may want to implement to make sure you get the best person you can for the job. _________________ Kalistia Crestland (2)
In Soviet Russia, grass grows on tiberium! QUICK_EDIT
Banshee, you have the right idea, but you're doing it at the WRONG people. You seem to be at a point where you've got a choice: keep the talented modders of PPM, or keep the noobs. Needless to say, your path seems to be heading towards keeping the noobs + losing the skilled people.
Kiith-Sa wrote:
I disagree with DCoder's removal and fully appreciate with his "arrogance".
I think he was doing one of the best moderating jobs (although not frequently enough),
This just shows the on coming degeneration of the PPM.
Also disagree with Prime even wanting to become a moderator, the same way I disagree with him becoming a world dictator.
If there's a replacement, I'd support someone similar enough to DCoder.
Seconded.
Kiith-Sa could be my congressman any day. Instead, he's my kiith leader*. but w/e.
Suiseiseki wrote:
BrianPrime wrote:
How can you folks not get it...
Dcoder flamed the poor folks, there was absolutely no reason and for this community to grow we need to give folks a positive first impression!
I find it hard to think anything but 'ironnnyyy' whenever this comes out of your mouth.
Indeed, especially considering some of the stuff you've pulled in the past..
(*HW joke, few people should get it)
I also would support Icy, if he was applying. Needless to say, he isn't, and for good reason. As such, I'm voting for Von, Carno, or Ric. _________________
Joined: 26 Nov 2002 Location: Algae Colony On Mars
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject:
I'm wondering, I'm occasionally hostile towards individuals (granted, they're usually people who have been to the site for a while) but I've yet to suffer any consequences. Perhaps I'm not as bad as DCoder but my point is that nobody's perfect. DCoder does what he does and his post was slightly excessive but his point still stood: if you can't help us, we can't help you. He did solve the problem himself in the end (despite the help of others) so perhaps the message got through. _________________
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This is sexier than what this forum was supposed to tolerate. - Banshee
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject:
Kiith-Sa wrote:
I disagree with DCoder's removal and fully appreciate with his "arrogance".
I think he was doing one of the best moderating jobs (although not frequently enough),
This just shows the on coming degeneration of the PPM.
Also disagree with Prime even wanting to become a moderator, the same way I disagree with him becoming a world dictator.
If there's a replacement, I'd support someone similar enough to DCoder.
You say that because you think his replies were funny and you don't run this place. It's easy to criticize things when you have absolutelly no responsability at all.
Sorry, but unlike you, I don't want an army of arrogant members at PPM forums, inspired on his attitudes, which unfortunately exists and many of them already posted in this topic, including by offering moderator services.
So, let's get one thing clear. I liked DCoder's job as moderator. He was active, he helped many people and kept the forums clean. I like him and he has always been nice with me. But I totally reprove his posts against n00bs or people who cannot communicate in english in a proper way or have a completely different culture from the english speaking countries.
I believe that the human kind has something called brain, which, unlike your expectations, is able to learn new things daily. If we simply exclude the current n00bs and newbies from this place by acting agressively and in an arrogant way with them, this place will become a graveyard quite quickly. Modding is something that hardly attracts people and the number of visitors of this place and other modding communities are already too low to simply mistreat people.
So, for once, stop being a forum nazi. There are some serious mistakes made by nazi people and communists. The nazi people seem to not believe in people's ability to change. People can actually change and learn. Communists think that everyone is equal. It's a fact: everyone is different and thinks in a different way. This is why both systems are completely wrong and never worked well. In internet, you need to remember that while english is possibly the most written language in the world, billions of people cannot write it in a proper way. There are cases where people tried to make questions by using the google translator, because the person had no idea of how to write in english and there is no C&C modding community in his language. You also need to remember that culture from some countries are completely different from your country (Borat anyone?). Others have no experience with forums. People can learn how this place work if they receive explanation, specially if they have no bad intentions. It worked with a high percentage of the newbies I've PMed so far.
And finally, the brain also allows people to want to do things that come in their mind. It's really a particular thing and you cannot prevent people from wanting something, although you can try to convince them to change their mind, because they are also able to learn...
So, if Prime wish to be a RA2 moderator here, he is free to want to do it. Now, if I agree with it... this is another business .
Tyler wrote:
You seem to be at a point where you've got a choice: keep the talented modders of PPM, or keep the noobs. Needless to say, your path seems to be heading towards keeping the noobs + losing the skilled people.
You have the wrong idea. I don't need to choose between n00bs and tallented people. I don't choose PPM's visitors, at first. People visit PPM because they want or they are interested on something here. I want to make sure that who visits this place is interested on learning how to mod and share their experiences, instead of being interested on n00b bashing like Kith Sa posted above. Last edited by Banshee on Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:50 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
Although I've been here a long time, I don't have much experience with coding, however I primarily do Red Alert 2. I can more or less halt topics which have degenerated into flaming and keep the peace, so if you need someone who can generally assist in the forum in that regard I wouldn't mind, although I might have to be assisted by a more coding wise candidate.
DCoder generally did an excellent job for the RA2 forums, but like has been said he kind of went over the top with the last post. I would give him a second chance to be honest, just not to lash out like as before.
In anycase if this goes on I vote for TX and Team Black if they want head position. They're generally nice people who know what they're doing. _________________
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Location: DAS BOOT IM DER OSTSEE
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:49 pm Post subject:
You gave me more then two chances, Kyler more then two chances, and God knows why Prime is still allowed here. _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
When I started modding RA2, I was "attacked" by DCoder a few times.
I was attacked intelligently, and it pushed me to do better results.
I think I became one of better RA2 ini coders that way, although this is fully subjective. I never released any larger work and turned from modding to programming (also with great help of DCoder).
Offtopic:
Also, I don't know exactly where you found out that I'm a nazi.
I'm right-orientated. Economically.
I believe there's less poor in economically liberal capitalist countries than in large state-controlled social-help systems.
I do believe in equality of rights. I don't have anything against people not able to speak English well, I'm one of them.
Please, go to hell with Borat. That, and some other american "art" is the exact definition of n00bism,
If I was a Kazach, I'd leave this forum immediately right now.
I'm Slovak, heavily offended by some other American movies.
And, no, I'm not any proud at being any nation. I don't have problem cooperating with people of other nationalities or cultures.
I find the idea of nationalism disgusting.
I have a full right to disagree with anyone wanting anything, as he/she has a full right to want it.
I hate people like Prime being tolerated with their true arrogance while people who actually bring a lot to the community get disadvantages.
Yes, sometimes I'm interested in n00b bashing. Pretty much because I don't have much else to do here by now. And due to the fact, that while many talented people came here in the last period, they are overwhelmed by n00bs.
This is proven by the recent activity that had to be done by Muldrake, because you didn't fix it at start.
DCoder and similar people prevent this from happening.
If you want to attract everyone, event people behaving arrogantly right from the start for no reason (that's what you calla n00b) go see Deezire and how it ended.
That is a community where newbies have truly no chance.
If it even can be a community, since it has died, because of this devolution.
I do not want the same to happen to PPM. _________________ Time will tell...
Sooner or later...
Time will tell... QUICK_EDIT
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